Niko45
Smash Master
he can also just shield or sidestep it
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I'm pretty sure he can WD shield it and low angle ftilt it Pretty well.What answer does luigi legitimately have to marth's dtilt? Other than coming down from a platform? He can't jump over it with an attack can he? So he has to try and time a ftilt between the hits... sounds really fraudulent
The point of my platform statements: to reset the battle into something more favorable and allow Tai, clearly frustrated at Luigi, a chance to cool off and try something else other than "jump in and swing a sword, then get punished".
Using more Dtilt when you're pissed off and getting read like a newspaper is going to get great results against an opponent that is becoming increasingly comfortable with the idea of letting their foe blindly strike air. Just how much free damage did Tai give the Luigi because he/she refused to back off and start afresh?
For the record, I'm a guy.The point of my platform statements: to reset the battle into something more favorable and allow Tai, clearly frustrated at Luigi, a chance to cool off and try something else other than "jump in and swing a sword, then get punished".
Using more Dtilt when you're pissed off and getting read like a newspaper is going to get great results against an opponent that is becoming increasingly comfortable with the idea of letting their foe blindly strike air. Just how much free damage did Tai give the Luigi because he/she refused to back off and start afresh?
-Try adding ledgehop counters to the mix. I saw a handful of situations where a ledgehop counter would've gotten you onto the stage safely (e.g. pretty much every ledge situation of stock 1 in Game 3)
Shielding is awesome. I probably use my shield more than any other Marth player in the neutral game, perhaps to a fault. I want to explore my non-shielding options more, as well, but shielding allows you to control your momentum, lets you block, is pretty good at baiting the opponent in, and is really deceptive in terms of what you can do out of it (jump, WD back, and mash ASDI down grabs), but it's definitely not the only thing you should be doing. The biggest problem with shielding is that it eliminates the chance that you can dash at them. Sure, you can wavedash out of sheild, but wavedash forward and dash aren't quite the same thing, and you shouldn't treat them as such. A smaller side effect of shielding is that you might get stuck in it (because of the inability to dash), especially against Falco's lasers, resulting in an unhappy position and burning your shield down so you might get poked.Taking lasers and dash attacking under the next laser also completely dismantles falcos who laser in place repeatedly like this, so you don't even really need to be going for PS's this much.
I wasnt hyping down tilt vs all characters just those that stay on the ground during neutral positions a lot such as luigi. Comboing luigi is basically a myth anyway as long as they know how to di and at higher percents down tilt will force a wiggle out or a tech. Luigi's air approaches vs marth are well lets say garbage, im pretty confident wd back jab/ftilt beats anything he can do in the air on reaction. Obviously you want to mix it up and not be predictable with throwing down tilts out but it is one of marths strongest moves from a neutral position (arguably the strongest, maybe jab/ftilt is stronger in some mu's and uptilt is not super good to throw out if they are also grounded) and other than baiting out a dtilt with downb tricks or just simply forcing the dtilt a lot i dont think luigi has a move that will beat it.I don't really see the hype of dtilt, even when it hits. It doesn't combo and people often buffer rolls/sidesteps/attacks/movement straight out of it so often I just find it punishable and not paying off even when hitting. Near the ledge its good tho. Just seems like people talk about it dominating the neutral game in certain matchups in theory and I just don't see that happening.
Greatest sh*t everor even better, do a quick dash away pivot grab on it.
I guess i feel the part you're missing out on is that you run out of space on platform stages really fast....and we were discussing approaching late fairs....
my point was merely that sh forward aerial is one of marth's safest ways of taking space, yes outspacing their dash attack with movement is obviously nice, but we were talking about approaching..to take space marth cannot just dash in safely without entering sheik's threat range
this means that just dashing in and waiting for potential wavedash back is not safe..
which leads to sheik being able to bait your approaches very easily once you run low on room...you can of course approach along the ground with an attack, but that leads to commitment (though dtilt is a nice balance with its low commitment but still putting out a hitbox)...but regardless in order to avoid sheik knowing that you are going to come in once you have run out of space it becomes necessary to use sh forward; that way you can deal with the potential dodge motions without instantly being baited
now i guess you could also potentially just wait it out at the ledge, but i think that becomes rather risky too..
as for whether ground is better than aerial when you have a lot of space...maybe..
Roll less. Don't roll up from the ledge to recover, use an attack/waveland onto the stage+do something/hop up and counter. Stop charging random fsmashes. JC your dashgrabs, at least more often. You have a lot of the basics down; wavedashing (although you could use it more, ie everytime you rolled), shorthopped aerials, grabs etc. Try to spend less time in your shield, a more advanced sheik will be grabbing loads more. Be more varied. 90% of the time you were approaching it was dash in -->grab, or you'd wait for your opponent to approach while you shielded then grabbed. Use more fairs. Use more dtilt.Ignore the self destructs here and there, we were nervous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy35...DvjVQa1PpcFNs78esZf1bS__VRcP3jORcE6PK9RYXREU=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p49T...DvjVQa1PpcFNs78esZf1bS3NUSOFfBnKAJ2jr_dTIfEc=
I have the most fun playing him out of any character in the game.whats making you pick up marth, dajuan?