Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!

[Shroomed]

Do you think that would work on people that smash DI my jab up? Sometimes I jab grounded opponents and they actually pop up off the ground. I wonder if usmash is fast enough.....

I generally jab uair that, but the usmash will definitely be useful. Especially if it catches them trying to jump after the jab DI.

 

[onionchowder]

Some people like to mash DJ to get out of Jab->stuff. MattDotZeb was doing that to me w/ Falco.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Do you think that would work on people that smash DI my jab up? Sometimes I jab grounded opponents and they actually pop up off the ground. I wonder if usmash is fast enough.....

I generally jab uair that, but the usmash will definitely be useful. Especially if it catches them trying to jump after the jab DI.

I just like u-smash because it's u-smash.

I think it might be fast enough though on some characters. I'm thinking ones with tiny DJs like Ganon and ****.

 

[onionchowder]

The grounded front hit of Usmash combos into aerials on a lot of characters.



I wonder if it would combo into grabs

 

[Max?]

Yeah it does

 

[Svetsunov]

The grounded front hit of Usmash combos into aerials on a lot of characters.



I wonder if it would combo into grabs

I do this a lot against marth.

 

[unknown522]

KK, that's the exact reason why I also think I don't do as well as I could.

I use jab->d-smash TOO much. I need to mix in more jab->grab, jab->aerial

Don't forget about u-tilt. Sometimes you can catch them doing something and get the launching hit. Or if you're near the edge, end up hitting them away. Also less risky than d-smash sometimes if you hit a shield or something

Btw, what's your ethnicity? (race/culture/w/e)

 

[boss8]

Don't forget about u-tilt. Sometimes you can catch them doing something and get the launching hit. Or if you're near the edge, end up hitting them away. Also less risky than d-smash sometimes if you hit a shield or something

Btw, what's your ethnicity? (race/culture/w/e)

all doc players are black......

even max....

 

[Max?]

I'm the blackest of them all

 

[SmashMac]

unknown522, Shroomed is as dark as this box I'm typing in.

 

[unknown522]

Oh I know he's black. But what kind of black?

Like African, Jamaican, etc

 

[Gea]

You have the milk chocolate Docs, but the real docs, like Dogy, are straight up gazelle

 

[VGmasta]

I knew something was wrong with Shroomed's controller. His lost vs Zhu a couple a weeks ago was FAKE after all.

 

[boss8]

shroomed spams jab>dsmash too much....

he should jab>grab near the edge...

alot of people shield cuz they are scared near the ledge.

 

[VGmasta]

shroomed spams jab>dsmash too much....

he should jab>grab near the edge...

alot of people shield cuz they are scared near the ledge.

He should ledgehop -> waveland -> d-tilt vs spacies when they are at +60%

There were several instances in his matches vs Zhu where Zhu was taunting near the edge with b-airs while Shroomed was in shield.

The optimal way out could have been for Shroomed to wavedash back to regrab the ledge to regain invincibility. And then to immediately ledgehop -> waveland -> d-tilt to setup edgeguarding.

It's an underused mix-up that catches a lot of players by surprise.

 

[Max?]

Pikachu apparently beats Doc 90-10

 

[boss8]

^shutup now.....

 

[unknown522]

Some tips for shroomed whenever he sees this:

3 step guide to Edgeguarding pika with most characters 101:

1. Take the ledge
2. Neutral stand when he makes the first up-b motion
3. Punish landing lag with either f-air or f-smash (with doc)

Alternatively with doc, cape a bit early to cover the sweetspot, and punish the landing lag. Even if you get hit by the up-b.


So neutral game, CC his n-air into grab or d-smash.

U-tilt through his n-air

D-throw -> u-tilt -> etc at low and mid percents.

D-throw -> f-air

SHBAWD to stuff approachesif trying to force a gimp or high percent edgeguard

More CC vs n-air and u-air

Cape close range thundershocks

At work. More later

 

[Shroomed]

Some tips for shroomed whenever he sees this:

3 step guide to Edgeguarding pika with most characters 101:

1. Take the ledge
2. Neutral stand when he makes the first up-b motion
3. Punish landing lag with either f-air or f-smash (with doc)

Alternatively with doc, cape a bit early to cover the sweetspot, and punish the landing lag. Even if you get hit by the up-b.


So neutral game, CC his n-air into grab or d-smash.

U-tilt through his n-air

D-throw -> u-tilt -> etc at low and mid percents.

D-throw -> f-air

SHBAWD to stuff approachesif trying to force a gimp or high percent edgeguard

More CC vs n-air and u-air

Cape close range thundershocks

At work. More later

Will remember all this for next time. I mostly forgot the pikachi matchup and need to relearn it. I used to know it pretty well.

 

[unknown522]

Word. You got this

 

[Vyke]

There's too much Canada in this thread

(I'm rooting for you Shroomed.)

 

[unknown522]

Needs most Canada!

Also shroomed, I think things are getting really cutthroat at your level. You need to really combo d-throw -> f-air. Your set would've at least been much closer vs axe if you did it. Cuz he lived to like 170% sometimes because you would opt not to do it.

Also, probably would've beaten armada if you did the combo

 

[poega]

the peach window is quite small tho I agree, there was definitely some times he couldve done it.

 

[unknown522]

Yeah fatass floaty peach. Even if you trade, it's all good though

 

[Gea]

There's too much Canada in this thread

But our roots are with Mike from the Punch Crew

 

[Shroomed]

You know what sucks? I made a mental note to jab->grab more before this tournament and didn't even do it.

I will sit down and seriously practice d-throw fair. I agree with you guys, if I could do it even 50% of the time I'd improve quite a bit more.

Be on the lookout for my good results at Apex.

 

[unknown522]

Good luck

 

[Vyke]

I still have the controller that I made you sign at Pound 4, Shroomed.

Keep raising the bar for Doc players.

 

[RFrizzle]

Keep raising the bair for doc players

 

[unknown522]

Keep raising the b-air for doc players

 

[St. Viers]

Keep rising b-air for doc players

 

[boss8]

C-C-C-C-COMBO breaker....

 

[onionchowder]

..........

 

[unknown522]

Aww

 

[Shroomed]

Goodbye Doc boards forever.

 

[Mr.Lemon]

Goodbye Doc boards forever.

O_O Whaaa?

 

[Shroomed]

I have enough puns in my life thanks to Tafokints.

 

[unknown522]

Oh god that sounds horrible!

I'm sorry

 

[Vyke]

I have enough puns in my life thanks to Tafokints.

Watch out for the bears you'll fall off the stage!!1!1!11

 

[Svetsunov]

So my general improvements/thoughts lately:

-My spacing got way better and is currently the strongest part of my game
-I've found some neat uses for Dair. Mainly because it pierces through a lot of stuff vs Peach/Puff
-I suck at wavedashing into grabs/jabs. Seriously. I dont know what I'm doing wrong, but it seems like I mess it up all the time.
-In general landing grabs is really hard for me
-Vs. Falcon I pretty much lose once I go offstage. I'm doing my best to sweetspot the ledge, but I can't seem to recover at all. I have a similar issue vs Marth
-Still can't play vs Marth in general. Might get better once I get WD jabs/grabs down. CC downsmash and uair is helping though.
-I lose my midair jump when I really shouldn't be.
-I never seem to use the tornado when I actually need it, but I use it a lot when I don't need it to recover.
-I can't chain Uairs together at all for some reason.

I guess i'm basically just asking for general help. Been struggling a lot recently in friendlies