Shroomed
Smash Master
Got 3rd yesterday. I suck now. Doc sucks.
I'm playing Sheik.
I'm playing Sheik.
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Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!
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Max?
Smash Champion
I'm taking the title of best Doc back.
****ing sell out
****ing sell out
unknown522
Some guy
You should take it by being the best doc 
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I agree. That's why I said "two" and not "two-plus".
Max?
Smash Champion
Nah, it's more fun this way, and requires way less effortYou should take it by being the best doc
unknown522
Some guy
Yeah I guess
Shroomed
Smash Master
Either I suck now, or everyone learned how to **** Doc. I struggle ridiculously hard with Zhu now.
Idk if it's Doc or me. 90% me but I'd rather blame my character than admit I'm less skillful than I once was.
Idk if it's Doc or me. 90% me but I'd rather blame my character than admit I'm less skillful than I once was.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Does this mean we're gonna Sheik ditto? =/
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Guest
bouncingchest's chogath
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
bouncingchest is such a good name
Mango said names are your thing though
Captainblowjob, smoke2jointz, bouncingchest... they're all amazing lmao
Mango said names are your thing though
Captainblowjob, smoke2jointz, bouncingchest... they're all amazing lmao
daaaaaaaaaa heck is happenin' in here?
onionchowder
Smash Journeyman
Speaking of names, where does the "Kaze" come from?
Beat!
Smash Master
Krynxe
I can't pronounce it either
Apparently the "Kaze" comes from wikipedia
Who knew?
Who knew?
onionchowder
Smash Journeyman
Oh, it's a pun. That actually sounds way cooler than "Kirbicide"
Went to my second tourney (Rage) with 
this past weekend and got 9th of 36 (or something lol). I lost to M2K in winners and carroll in losers. Here's a vid of me vs. Carroll, can anyone give me some critique.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGvX_lJj9hA
Also, what do I do vs.? I mean I know it was M2K and all, but I still need help in that MU.
this past weekend and got 9th of 36 (or something lol). I lost to M2K in winners and carroll in losers. Here's a vid of me vs. Carroll, can anyone give me some critique. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGvX_lJj9hA
Also, what do I do vs.
? I mean I know it was M2K and all, but I still need help in that MU.
boss8
Smash Hero
you kinda like to roll/abuse nair alot....Went to my second tourney (Rage) with
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGvX_lJj9hA
Also, what do I do vs.
try rolling less,more dash dances,usmashes OOS,and more nair mixups...
don't forget CC dsmash is ur best friend...along with utilt..
don't get me wrong rolling is good in some situational circumstances...
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
who here is going to fc?
i'll take a 1-5 dollar MM doc vs ganon.
i'll take a 1-5 dollar MM doc vs ganon.
Shroomed
Smash Master
I'm going, and I'm down for any amount.
Max?
Smash Champion
When you should CC is a tough thing to answer. It's different against every move in the game, so if there is one you're looking specifically don't be afraid to ask. CC is really good in general, so it doesn't hurt to abuse it a lot. Overtime you'll get a feel for when not to do it.
In regards to your rolling problem, the solution is probably just not to go in shield in the first place. It stops all of your momentum, gives up position on the stage, and is more or less a free invite for your opponent to do w'e they want to you. So yeah, work on them footsies and try to commit to shield only if you have to. Doc does have some solid OOS options tho, and in certain matchups playing shield heavy is really good (Falco/Marth come to mind). WD oos is your best friend, and dont forget about Usmash/UpB, and the infamous UpB Cancel oos. They all take priority over the roll.
In regards to your rolling problem, the solution is probably just not to go in shield in the first place. It stops all of your momentum, gives up position on the stage, and is more or less a free invite for your opponent to do w'e they want to you. So yeah, work on them footsies and try to commit to shield only if you have to. Doc does have some solid OOS options tho, and in certain matchups playing shield heavy is really good (Falco/Marth come to mind). WD oos is your best friend, and dont forget about Usmash/UpB, and the infamous UpB Cancel oos. They all take priority over the roll.
Mr.Lemon
Smash Journeyman
I'm having trouble using Doc in teams, I know he is a great character in teams, but I don't think I'm using his full potential. I feel like I just throw out moves and go after whoever is closest. Does anybody know what I should/should not be doing in teams?
Shroomed
Smash Master
These things are your jobs in teams as Doc: Save stock, punish everything you can heavily (which is generally a dsmash), save your teammate from team combos, and edgeguard.
You should virtually never be the aggressor. You're the support. Cover your teammate as he goes in and stay alive/rack up damage/kill people with your somewhat strong fair/dsmash.
You should virtually never be the aggressor. You're the support. Cover your teammate as he goes in and stay alive/rack up damage/kill people with your somewhat strong fair/dsmash.
Sup mah docs. Its been at good half year at least...I finally entered a tourney
TX tourney
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=325580
Vs Austin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5gKb23l73U
Vs Garr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1iGav6Wq00
TX tourney
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=325580
Vs Austin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5gKb23l73U
Vs Garr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1iGav6Wq00
unknown522
Some guy
Needs lots more u-tilt
And more b-air
And more b-air
Mr.Lemon
Smash Journeyman
Oh ok I was totally being way too aggressive then. Thank you for the info this will definitely help me, I'll keep it all in mind.
onionchowder
Smash Journeyman
On the topic of Doc in teams, what chars/playstyles does he pair well with?
unknown522
Some guy
Jiggs, peach, fox, falco, sheik, falcon
Use your pills into the fray and try to disrupt the opponent. You also usually want to be the one edgeguarding since cape is fairly easy to hit. You should be stock tanking as doc, though he has some pretty good kill power.
If you want to play an iso strat (like Raynex and I did), you should fight whichever character is more floaty (or if there is a peach as one of your opponents [unless your teammate is not a FFer]) otherwise, fight the character that your teammate can't combo as hard.
Use your pills into the fray and try to disrupt the opponent. You also usually want to be the one edgeguarding since cape is fairly easy to hit. You should be stock tanking as doc, though he has some pretty good kill power.
If you want to play an iso strat (like Raynex and I did), you should fight whichever character is more floaty (or if there is a peach as one of your opponents [unless your teammate is not a FFer]) otherwise, fight the character that your teammate can't combo as hard.
Shroomed
Smash Master
Generally I agree with all your posts but I think Jiggs, Peach, and Sheik are really bad teammates for Doc. ESPECIALLY Jiggs/Peach, and I play Doc/Peach quite a lot lolJiggs, peach, fox, falco, sheik, falcon
Use your pills into the fray and try to disrupt the opponent. You also usually want to be the one edgeguarding since cape is fairly easy to hit. You should be stock tanking as doc, though he has some pretty good kill power.
If you want to play an iso strat (like Raynex and I did), you should fight whichever character is more floaty (or if there is a peach as one of your opponents [unless your teammate is not a FFer]) otherwise, fight the character that your teammate can't combo as hard.
unknown522
Some guy
Why do ou think they are bad?
Shroomed
Smash Master
They're too slow to really help each other, and neither of them can effectively approach. It's too easy to play keep away against a team like that.Why do ou think they are bad?
Max?
Smash Champion
Doc/Fox for days
Little England
Smash Master
So I've been messing around with Doc a bit cause he's really fun. I just learned how to upB cancel consistently(alot easier than I thought it would be heh). Anyways, a few questions.
how useful is the upB cancel?
whats the trick to hitting spacies with upsmash out of shield? I think I'm bad at it lol.
whats the best way to deal with sheik's sh ff autocancel fair?
how useful is the upB cancel?
whats the trick to hitting spacies with upsmash out of shield? I think I'm bad at it lol.
whats the best way to deal with sheik's sh ff autocancel fair?
unknown522
Some guy
Max?
Smash Champion
1. I don't use UpB cancel at all. You can't combo off of it, so I only see it being useful OOS to escape shield pressure. Perhaps I should try to integrate it in my game more, but I don't really see the use in it.
2. I look for it in a few places. Punish laggy move into shield. The usmash animation starts behind you, so it's good for when people try to cross you up. In spacie shield pressure you want to try and hit them right after the shine. It's also trades with certain moves (like Falco dair), which will give you positional advantage and in certain instances a combo follow up (you're at lower %, they are at higher)
3. Run the **** away, space ftilt/utilt, shield approach -> stuff, uair
I'd run the **** away honestly
Little England
Smash Master
I'll keep playing with the upB. Sucks that its impossible to combo off of though. Also, as you said the only time I could kind of get upsmash to work is when they were hitting me behind my shield.
Thanks mang.
Thanks mang.
Max?
Smash Champion
I wouldn't say it's impossible. Anything in this game is possible if your opponent is ******** enough