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Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!
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Shroomed
Smash Master
Learning from DJ would teach you patience. I don't like patience much lol.
I want to MM niko, otg, all of you guys.
So far I just played ranmaru and I don't remember if i played boss or not.
You guys should all play tafokints, I think he'd beat every other doc player.
Boss wasn't ready for the jankiness at P5 and neither will you guys be!
I want to MM niko, otg, all of you guys.
So far I just played ranmaru and I don't remember if i played boss or not.
You guys should all play tafokints, I think he'd beat every other doc player.
Boss wasn't ready for the jankiness at P5 and neither will you guys be!
Max?
Smash Champion
I would probably go Falco vs. him.
Shroomed, right now Niko and I and a few other people from westchester (including PC) are probably coming to Genesis, so we must play.
Shroomed, right now Niko and I and a few other people from westchester (including PC) are probably coming to Genesis, so we must play.
DJ Nintendo
Smash Champion
You don't know me, so relax with that bull****. *****s are always getting it twisted about me when it comes to my teaching. Thinking that I only know how to teach people how to Tomahawk and thats pretty much it. I've been playing Melee competitively since the beginning. I know too damn much about this game and I've been helping the community out with mad different **** like tactics, edgeguarding, mindgames, matchups, patience, aggressiveness, the list goes on. People hit me up almost everyday through the phone, FB, AIM and here on the boards to help them out with ****. I know other people get hit up too for advice and whatnot so I'm no one special when it comes to that, but I'm just stating my case. Nobody really knows me. So OTG, get that **** outta here.
Smooth Criminal
Da Cheef
Max?
Smash Champion
Who the **** is otg?
SmashMac
Smash Lord
I'm actually about to turn to the dark-side over Sheik. She's probably the only character I run into in tournament and feel I'll do worse against. By the way, when I say "turn to the dark-side" I speak of pulling out that Foxy Fox.
boss8
Smash Hero
huge turney this weelend for me...should have some new vids up......
prob jus gonna go all doc n mario....
wish me luck =]
prob jus gonna go all doc n mario....
wish me luck =]
VGmasta
Smash Lord
Shroomed
Smash Master
Sheik isn't that hard with doc. Just hit her once and combo off it.
Just watch videos for advice. That's what I did to improve, not really ask anyone anything. Just watched my matches and spotted my habits/mistakes and improved on them.
Good luck boss.
Just watch videos for advice. That's what I did to improve, not really ask anyone anything. Just watched my matches and spotted my habits/mistakes and improved on them.
Good luck boss.
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Guest
stupid logic or the 'pros' in ur area are ***s
Max?
Smash Champion
s2j have you been to NY?
THE RED SPARROW
Smash Lord
2 quick questions:
1. What's the frame data on Mario/Doc's Uair? It has ridiculously fast startup and decent priority, I've been able to interrupt a lot of things but I don't know what level of safety it has versus certain moves (like Sheik's Fair or the Knee). I tend to beat those moves but I don't know how reliable it is overall.
2. How the @#$% do you combo Doc's Fair on Jiggs after a down throw? It's ridiculously difficult to do on DI-ing Jiggs on any % for some reason.
Thanks in advance.
1. What's the frame data on Mario/Doc's Uair? It has ridiculously fast startup and decent priority, I've been able to interrupt a lot of things but I don't know what level of safety it has versus certain moves (like Sheik's Fair or the Knee). I tend to beat those moves but I don't know how reliable it is overall.
2. How the @#$% do you combo Doc's Fair on Jiggs after a down throw? It's ridiculously difficult to do on DI-ing Jiggs on any % for some reason.
Thanks in advance.
Max?
Smash Champion
I can't really speak about frame data since I'm not interested in it, but just know Uair is amazing and you should use it liberally.
As for dthrow -> fair on Jiggs, you just have to react insanely fast to their DI. The window for it is pretty large (50-80%+? it won't KO at 50 or so), and the only Jiggs I've played who really knew how to DI it to make it as hard as possible for me to follow up was Hbox.
As for dthrow -> fair on Jiggs, you just have to react insanely fast to their DI. The window for it is pretty large (50-80%+? it won't KO at 50 or so), and the only Jiggs I've played who really knew how to DI it to make it as hard as possible for me to follow up was Hbox.
VGmasta
Smash Lord
Doc's up-air hitbox comes out on frame 4.
Doc's up-B hitbox comes out on frame 3.
And part of Doc's body is invincible on frame 3 of his up-B.
I'd say Doc's up-B is better than Doc's up-air for challenging Falcon's knee or Sheik's f-air because the up-B will have a better likelihood of beating the knee or Sheik's f-air.
I've found myself in situations where the up-air only comes out in time to trade hits with Falcon's knee, where up-B would've saved me from being it at all.
Max?
Smash Champion
UpB is definitely faster, but the knee/slap can still trade with it based on the spacing and that could lead to a very dead Doc, at very low %.
THE RED SPARROW
Smash Lord
Rappster
Smash Ace
is uptilt a good anti air?
my friend plays falcon, and he's in love with approaching with stomp, espcially if he can stomp the platform above me and have it go through and hit me.
it seems like i should be able to punish, but i don't know how.
my friend plays falcon, and he's in love with approaching with stomp, espcially if he can stomp the platform above me and have it go through and hit me.
it seems like i should be able to punish, but i don't know how.
Max?
Smash Champion
Utilt is a fantastic anti-air. I don't know how effective it would be vs. a Falcon who is stomping you thru platforms, but from a neutral position if you see him throw a SH aerial at you, utilt has a very good shot of beating it clean/trading.
TaFoKiNtS
Smash Lord
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Boss needs revengzies on tafokints.
I play so jank, hehe......
Regarding MM
$20 isn't much to me. I make more than that in one hour and I work full time.
I'm honestly desensitized to anything less than < $500 and wanted Shroomed to work hard.
This is the 2nd money match we ran
the first one was from many months ago and I wanted the vs. Doc experience more than anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjsa6wM3g8I
Honestly, this match was the only Doc experience I had pre-Pound V and
I studied it extensively to note tendencies that Doc players work (pills, the excessive spot dodging, jab distances, edge guarding)
On a side note:
Playing Shroomed's doc =/= Playing a Doc main elsewhere.
I think Shroomed has a huge advantage in playing so offensively and not allowing me to get an advantageous position on him.
Playing defensive as Doc against Shiek is honestly not to great. Eventually, I will get inside your comfort zone and force you to spot dodge/roll or do something dumb so that I get a grab and rack up damage.
I play so jank, hehe......
Regarding MM
$20 isn't much to me. I make more than that in one hour and I work full time.
I'm honestly desensitized to anything less than < $500 and wanted Shroomed to work hard.
This is the 2nd money match we ran
the first one was from many months ago and I wanted the vs. Doc experience more than anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjsa6wM3g8I
Honestly, this match was the only Doc experience I had pre-Pound V and
I studied it extensively to note tendencies that Doc players work (pills, the excessive spot dodging, jab distances, edge guarding)
On a side note:
Playing Shroomed's doc =/= Playing a Doc main elsewhere.
I think Shroomed has a huge advantage in playing so offensively and not allowing me to get an advantageous position on him.
Playing defensive as Doc against Shiek is honestly not to great. Eventually, I will get inside your comfort zone and force you to spot dodge/roll or do something dumb so that I get a grab and rack up damage.
Shroomed
Smash Master
YOU'RE A ****ING GRADUATE ALREADY DANIEL????
Is that why you're balling?
By the way, I agree with Mr. Jankiness. Aggressive is good against sheik. So long as you aren't doing stupid approaches and getting yourself grabbed anyway.
Up-tilt is also amazing for anti-air, unless they're approaching from in front of you. Then it actually isn't that great at all because you will trade more often than not. But if they're coming from above, then it's actually really good for what it does.
Is that why you're balling?
By the way, I agree with Mr. Jankiness. Aggressive is good against sheik. So long as you aren't doing stupid approaches and getting yourself grabbed anyway.
Up-tilt is also amazing for anti-air, unless they're approaching from in front of you. Then it actually isn't that great at all because you will trade more often than not. But if they're coming from above, then it's actually really good for what it does.
Max?
Smash Champion
You guys have no idea what my playstyle is like, and whether or not I'm aggressive or campy or whatever. You'll find out at Genesis hopefully 
THE RED SPARROW
Smash Lord
U-tilt also owns shield grabbers on reaction, it's a fantastic move.
S l o X
Smash Champion
nikonikoniko
lmao it was sarcasm,
Niko45
Smash Master
lol slox it's all good. You going tomorrow? Lets play some more.
Shroomed
Smash Master
Record a ton of matches guys.
Mighty_mo76
Smash Apprentice
OTG is SUPA COOOOOOOOL (:
S l o X
Smash Champion
i wish, gonna tend to my gf :o good luck if you do enter bro.
Niko45
Smash Master
Ya, if you're basing that on playing Boss, you might want to play OTG. Definitely east coast's finest doc.
Max?
Smash Champion
I **** *****s
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otg are you going to genesis 2?
Max?
Smash Champion
I plan on it
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cool, me too!
Max?
Smash Champion
Word, *fingers crossed* that I end up going. Right now it seems very very likely. I should be coming with Niko, PC, Prog and a few other lesser known NY players (who are also ****), so get hype! We definitely must play Strong Bad, and I will teach you the ways of Blue DEEKS.
Shroomed
Smash Master
I hope you do well Max. I'm planning on top 5 for sure. Going hard at Genesis 2.
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LOL ****ing Legend of the Deeks. We need to record an audio/visual version of that.
DJ Nintendo
Smash Champion
Doc isn't crappy. He's a good character.
Shroomed
Smash Master
I disagree with this statement completely. Doc is way too limited and is only effective because people aren't used to such a rare matchup, so they don't really know how to play it.
Once everyone learns what to do vs. Doc we're all screwed.
DJ Nintendo
Smash Champion
I get what you're saying. Of course he's limited. Although Doc to me is a good character regardless if someone knows the matchup mad hard or not. Besides, everyone knowing what to do against Doc isn't going to happen. So we're good lol. It also depends on the character the person is using against Doc too.