Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!

[Smooth Criminal]

smooth criminal is just mad that he'll never get revenge on my kirby for 4 stocking his sheik.

^_^

I'mma get you boi.

You just wait.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Naota21t]

rey makes me scared of kongo luis lol
on any stage with a top platform he's jus on it ALL GAME
i ended up counterpicking stadium and whooping him =)
no top platform mofo!

but yea i guess dogy's rite...watch wut ur opponent likes to do and pick a stage that limits that

fortunately rey's one of the few in norcal who camps top platforms.

i was thinking it mostly against falcos, mainly kevin's falco since those low platforms are getting me ***** combo-wise.

 

[Dogysamich]

Hmm.

This is gunna sound odd as ****, but with you saying that and what stages are open (ALL ****ING 4 OF THEM CAUSE THIS GAME IS THE BEST GAME EVER!!!!), put some thought into RC.

edit: *against falcos*

that would basically be like, the thing you have to avoid is attacking them in the second portion of the stage while it's going up, because that's when they're the strongest and you're the weakest. Rest of the stage is fair game.

 

[Shroomed]

i'll go anywhere to avoid a top platform vs rey....but brinstar and RC are banned over here for the time being

we only have 7 stages and after bans 5 stages haha

but now FD is auto-banned =(

 

[pockyD]

i agree it's lame

j.b. sure does a lot of tinkering for someone who never even enters the tournaments

 

[Naota21t]

i kinda like hug's rule relating to stages from nice shot hugs

 

[StealthyGunnar]

So, are we supposed to let Marth approach us and just pill spam until we get close enough, or 'inside' so we can grab?

Or are we supposed to approach while spamming pills?

 

[Roman.]

definitely don't be approaching with pills... marth is fast and all of his moves EASILY cut through pills

a lot of doc's problems against marth is overusing pills. they mess with his game a **** load like most characters but he can definitely punish you for them

also, pills don't normally get you "inside" of marth but definitely mess up the flow so doc can be gay and aggressive and getting a grab is definitely going to give you the best reward against marth

is easy

 

[#HBC | Mac]

thats definitely not even true

approaching with pills is decent against marth. You can punish them for how they decide to get around the pill.
Whether you force them to use an aerial to cut through the pill and you bait the aerial.
Are you get them to run away/back which limits how much stage control they have
Or they sheild, which isn't a great position for them since limits their moves
or they jab which im pretty sure can be dealt with, but i havent had someone do that to me

but regardless, yur just forcing them to make a choice when you pill, and you can stay safe while looking to punish the choices they make.

of course you shouldn't just randomly run forward and fullhop pill with bad spacing with no plan of action. That will just get you faired/fsmashed. (which i tend to do way too much)

 

[StealthyGunnar]

thats definitely not even true

approaching with pills is decent against marth. You can punish them for how they decide to get around the pill.
Whether you force them to use an aerial to cut through the pill and you bait the aerial.
Are you get them to run away/back which limits how much stage control they have
Or they sheild, which isn't a great position for them since limits their moves
or they jab which im pretty sure can be dealt with, but i havent had someone do that to me

but regardless, yur just forcing them to make a choice when you pill, and you can stay safe while looking to punish the choices they make.

of course you shouldn't just randomly run forward and fullhop pill with bad spacing with no plan of action. That will just get you faired/fsmashed. (which i tend to do way too much)

Ya, i know that. After reading Cyphus's guide, I learned how to pill spam correctly, lol.

 

[Roman.]

thats definitely not even true

approaching with pills is decent against marth. You can punish them for how they decide to get around the pill.
Whether you force them to use an aerial to cut through the pill and you bait the aerial.
Are you get them to run away/back which limits how much stage control they have
Or they sheild, which isn't a great position for them since limits their moves
or they jab which im pretty sure can be dealt with, but i havent had someone do that to me

did hbk sandbag against you the whole time or something?

approaching with a pill and hoping to punish they're "wiffed" aerial from it is definitely not a reliable option... although i guess i have to admit that there are times that this works especially if you have them cornered but there are definitely better options in that situation

full hop pill has a good amount of lag through out it all, it's not like falco's lasers and you shouldn't treat it that way either

and you make it sound throughout your post like i said pilling is BAD in general... only was talking about approaching with pills

 

[ranmaru]

I don't even know if I like pilling alot against marth. Only in the start haha. Later on it just backfires on me. : [ Like "Save meh!" *Marth attacks through pill* *Gets anger at pill*

 

[ranmaru]

Oops double post. Ignore this. : [ If you didn't, thanks for reading! :3

 

[Roman.]

I don't even know if I like pilling alot against marth. Only in the start haha. Later on it just backfires on me. : [ Like "Save meh!" *Marth attacks through pill* *Gets anger at pill*

i think it depends heavily on the stage and type of marth

it's a good way to keep yourself from approaching their DD camping though =)

 

[Niko45]

did hbk sandbag against you the whole time or something

Daaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmnnnnnn.

Seriously tho, pills do next to nothing against marth...

 

[ranmaru]

i think it depends heavily on the stage and type of marth

it's a good way to keep yourself from approaching their DD camping though =)

Yeah true. I mean if I'm on FD I will be using pills! xD

Daaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmnnnnnn.

Seriously tho, pills do next to nothing against marth...

Well if you want to block an attack or cure yourself (just kidding, I mean save yourself from an attack) then yeah. xD That is why I don't rely on them to much on this match up, but I guess I just need to KNOW when to use them.

 

[VGmasta]

marth is easy.

Marth's a matchup. The Marth has to make a ton of bad decisions to even stand a chance at losing against even good Doc players. Only really impatient Marth players get ***** by Doc.

 

[ranmaru]

I find Marth is easier than Fox in many ways. One, he only has a sword. That is the only thing that is our enemy. Fox, he's really fast and everything about him is our enemy. Even his fair. WTF D:

 

[Dynamism?]

I don't spam against Marth.
I get inside him and **** him with aggro sex.

 

[ranmaru]

Sometimes I make the mistake of nairing too early. LOL. But I'd rather grab him THEN sex.

 

[Dogysamich]

i'll go anywhere to avoid a top platform vs rey....but brinstar and RC are banned over here for the time being

we only have 7 stages and after bans 5 stages haha

but now FD is auto-banned =(

I'm seriously waiting till US melee evolves to the *** stagelist. I don't see why we're not there yet.

"Cause it's not melee, but it's also not melee to get gayed out by a random stage."

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7t0QXs2608

 

[Dogysamich]

halflife 2, which steamed tf2.

Tf2 = brawl before brawl.
*shakes head*

I gotta re-upload my TFC avis somewhere.

 

[Naota21t]

god **** ftilt is ****ing amazing. i was playing a buncha ppl from fremont that were close to my level, or slightly above and i was playing so well cuz of ftilt.

i would fthrow ppl towards the ledge at low percents when they'd expect to be uthrow cg'd so they'd miss the tech and i'd wd ftilt (the luigi) to get em of the stage and edgeguard -> death.

 

[Roman.]

ftilt really is doc's most underrated move (unless you guys rate it high now)

 

[Shroomed]

god **** ftilt is ****ing amazing. i was playing a buncha ppl from fremont that were close to my level, or slightly above and i was playing so well cuz of ftilt.

i would fthrow ppl towards the ledge at low percents when they'd expect to be uthrow cg'd so they'd miss the tech and i'd wd ftilt (the luigi) to get em of the stage and edgeguard -> death.

i use WD dsmash in those situations, w/e works for u tho

 

[VGmasta]

You can't legitimately combo a Marth for more than like three hits very often, and that's DI dependent. All the extended combos involve shielding attacks in between hits. Example: grab -> d-throw -> up-air -> up-tilt -> run up and sheild (because the Marth will try to fall with a f-air) -> sheildgrab -> d-throw -> etc.... But the problem with running up and shielding Marth's f-air is that it's not that punishable if they space it too far. Even when they don't space it that well, there's that gimmick where they land in front of you and spotdodge any attempt to sheildgrab and then knock you the **** out with reverse Up-B.

Marth's terrible. And like I'm not even joking about how I make good reads/executions without getting the rewards for them. I swear on everything, I missed a grab because Marth was crouching, doing that gay *** d-tilt that walls out Doc's ground game COMPLETELY.

HOLY S*** SIG DONT NEED TO BE THAT BIG SIR.

 

[otg]

Been playiing vs. Hbox for the last few hours. Doing aight, I can't get dthrow -> fair to work tho. He hates this matchup lol.

 

[P.C. Jona]

try bthrow to fair

works everytime

 

[Roneblaster]

so i hear TF2 sucked compared to TFC.

 

[StealthyGunnar]

Good news, guys. I'm maining Doc again. He's way too fun to use. And Uair comboes on Marth = too good.

 

[Strong Badam]

Been playiing vs. Hbox for the last few hours. Doing aight, I can't get dthrow -> fair to work tho. He hates this matchup lol.

you have to jump or run -> jump really fast against puff. much like uthrow -> uair but IMO even moar difficult
I don't even know the %s it combos.
Dogysamich, I summon thee!

 

[JPOBS]

Been playiing vs. Hbox for the last few hours. Doing aight, I can't get dthrow -> fair to work tho. He hates this matchup lol.

you have to realize that you can move almost instantly after the throw cuz jiggs is so light

just be faster
i used to play vs a jiggs all the time, i dont remember exactly the range it combos but i think its something like 60-90 i forget its been a while

 

[VGmasta]

Been playiing vs. Hbox for the last few hours. Doing aight, I can't get dthrow -> fair to work tho. He hates this matchup lol.

I couldn't land that combo on him either. I think HBox is just too use to DI'ing against even the faster characters. And like if you fail to space the f-air right, he'll just Rest you out of it.

 

[otg]

imma try and find a recording setup.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I HATE DOC

YOU ALL SUCK

PLAY A GARBAGE CHARACTER

THAT SOMEHOW DOES OKAY VS THE PUFFS

YOU

I PICKED THIS STUPID HOOKER BECAUSE SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD

4RTH ISN'T GOOD

4RTH SUCKS

Hi otg I'm sorry I can't see you at APEX if you're going but please go to ROM3

 

[P.C. Jona]

...................

 

[Ocean]

kirbykaze be mad
everybody mad

i say doc mario da bess

 

[Dogysamich]

just be faster
i used to play vs a jiggs all the time, i dont remember exactly the range it combos but i think its something like 60-90 i forget its been a while

wrong. ^_^

you have to jump or run -> jump really fast against puff. much like uthrow -> uair but IMO even moar difficult
I don't even know the %s it combos.
Dogysamich, I summon thee!

lol, cept for that one time, i dont name search.

and nope, situation hasnt changed. Im not putting those %s on SWF.

 

[KirbyKaze]

black people keep editing my posts to make them less offensive