Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!

[Vulcan55]

I want to paint my controller so bad.
Maybe that can be my fun project this week.
I also want to mod it if I could.
I think the entire control stick and C-stick could use a few degrees of rotation clockwise.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Uhhh... shwat? Rotation?

Painting it isn't that hard. Modding it is a bad idea though, 'cause it's like not tournament legal, and people say it's only because of that that you're winning.

I tried turning the L trigger into a powershield bumper, since I never use it, but really, it just gets me caught in light shield for no reason, so I kinda abandoned that idea.

 

[P.C. Jona]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDFNTyOy5x0

all doc mains should play teams like that

if you think i ****

gimmie a hell yea

...

*hell yea!*

thanks guys i know, i know, stop it

 

[InterimOfZeal]

I hate you, Jona.

GOOD NEWS, GUIZE!

I might get to go to pound 4!

 

[Shroomed]

everyone should play doc in teams like me

i have done pretty well in teams =D

 

[eighteenspikes]

hell yeah doc ***** in teams, ive made money in regionals with doc

 

[boss8]

wtf im the best doc in teams....

i clearly ****....

 

[eighteenspikes]

no way dude i am the best doc in teams
unless the other team has a luigi

 

[Dogysamich]

Hmm.

@Boss: Ya know, when I think about it, you'd probably be the most usable doc in teams. I tend to think you can run at stuff pretty consistently and make stuff happen.

NOT SAYING YOU'RE THE BEST DOC IN TEAMS CAUSE ***** PLEASE! XD

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HEY HMW AND SHROOMED, FOUND SOMETHING YOU GUYS MIGHT LIKE.
IT'S recent FOOTAGE, OF A DOC, ACTUALLY EDGEGUARDING A CAPFAL.
WITNESS AND BE AMAZED!

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Yeaaaaah man. Today's CPU day, so I'ma crank out some more of these matchups. I've been slacking so **** hard. XD

 

[boss8]

that was long and painful...

 

[Dogysamich]

Apparently not as painful as hmw watching shroomed win matches. XD

Havin a goooooood time catching up on youtube vids.

 

[boss8]

i mmight go to winterfest......i need a melee teammate...

 

[Angrylobster]

i mmight go to winterfest......i need a melee teammate...

I gotta get some matches with ya if you're goin to winterfest bro, could always use work on the mirror match

 

[boss8]

lol lets goes xD

 

[MaDWaK]

ok what can doc do after he gets a grab on Jiggs at like 50+%?

 

[boss8]

dthrow kobe......peace out...

 

[Dogysamich]

ok what can doc do after he gets a grab on Jiggs at like 50+%?

Take a hit, 2 if you think they're not mashing for whatever reason, and yeah, if they have absolutely no matchup knowledge whatsoever, you can look for f.airs. Actually, if you can space the f.air you're ok too, but there's a hilarious *** gimmick if you try to f.air with jiggs lower than like, 70% or so.

If they do, you actually want to u.air till you get them to around 70%.

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I kinda WANNA go to winterfest, it's not lookin like it's gunna happen unless somebody gives me a free ride or something down there.

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Edit: Ok guys, I'm on a mission. I have a plan to make Waffles ****in edgeguard a capfal I just need phil's help.

IT'S GUNNA WORK, TRUST ME.

And then I'm going on a "Stop the Shroomed Hate" campaign, which is going to fail horribly, cause that **** is just too comical.

CPU Day. It's pretty ****in kool

 

[Vulcan55]

Man, **** that matchup.
DJN almost had it too, but he missed the grab.

 

[otg]

Edit: Ok guys, I'm on a mission. I have a plan to make Waffles ****in edgeguard a capfal I just need phil's help.

IT'S GUNNA WORK, TRUST ME.

And then I'm going on a "Stop the Shroomed Hate" campaign, which is going to fail horribly, cause that **** is just too comical.

CPU Day. It's pretty ****in kool

LOLLLLLL. dude, I was literally going to make a huge post directed at Waffles/Shroomed on how to edgeguard Doc. but since you plan on doing it, have fun lol.

Rule #1: grab the ****ing ledge LOL

And yeah, that match DJv.Hax match was pretty ****ing awesome, DJ had that ****.

 

[P.C. Jona]

doc in teams in a nutshell

down smash

end of discussion

and doc vs falcon isnt that bad

ill beat any falcon with doc

just be gay and throw pills in ******** angles

dash attack tech chase, always try to cover then tech in place/no tech option with fsmash

chaingrab

back throw>bair bair biair

easy

 

[MaDWaK]

yeah until the falcon gets like one uair or nair,

 

[P.C. Jona]

idk

i just think its alot easier then everyone makes it seem

maybe its because i play falcon and i know what he does

but idk, its not that bad compared to sheik

 

[MaDWaK]

idk

i just think its alot easier then everyone makes it seem

maybe its because i play falcon and i know what he does

but idk, its not that bad compared to sheik

this is true. Yeah falcon really isnt too bad considering hes pretty easy to edgeguard and he falls pretty fast. Also he doesnt have the best range and no projectiles so random damage isnt really a factor. its just a matter of spacing him out and keeping pace with him I notice.

sheik, however, is doc on crack basically.

 

[Shroomed]

i'd rather good a good sheik over a good falcon

falcon's nair is stupid

his anti cape ability is stupid

btw when i say falcon, i probably just mean jeff

i wanna go to a tourney =D

 

[P.C. Jona]

you havent fought a good sheik son

sheik destroys doc so badly

and just full hop dair when falcon nair spams

 

[ChivalRuse]

doc in teams in a nutshell

down smash

end of discussion

and doc vs falcon isnt that bad

ill beat any falcon with doc

just be gay and throw pills in ******** angles

dash attack tech chase, always try to cover then tech in place/no tech option with fsmash

chaingrab

back throw>bair bair biair

easy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WODFHfytopI

Not that easy.

 

[otg]

So evidentally for the Melee to Brawl transition, Doc was sick of his ****ty recovery and claims that he is a mario CLONE despite being much better than Mario. So, he learned to fly and traded in pills for a sword and look at what we have now...

The most broken smash character ever.

 

[Dogysamich]

lets see.

1) Where capfal isnt HORRIBLE for doc, it's still bad, no matter what you may think jona (lol).

-All capfal really has to do is land an u.air to get a huge advantage over doc, which comes from pretty much any move in his moveset. D.tilt, u.smash, grab, n.air, d.air, and then other stuff where doc would DI to not die.

-Contrary to popular belief, pills arent end all vs capfal. Beside from the obvious n.air'ing through them, he's fast enough to straight run under them, and then heaven forbid if somebody has enough sense to call a FH Pill.

-I mean, thinkin of pills, if he guesses right where a pill is coming from, he's rewarded. It's not exactly hard, he can pretty much kill Doc's effective pill range if he doesn't pattern.

-Although Doc pretty much gets a kill any time capfal gets off the stage, the same should be done in reverse. Capfal just has to jump off the stage. I mean, he jumps far enough to where he doesnt even NEED to hit doc, just make him pull up. There're all sorts of gimmicks that stem from this concept (And the fact that he can just n.air through pills)

2) Sheik, inspite of what people say, doesnt "**** doc" nearly as hard as people make it out to be. It's just pretty ironic that 90% of the good docs today DONT or havent practiced up on good sheiks. (I say 90%, but I want to say the only ones who fit into the "10%" would be boss, viers, and maybe 18s. Dont quote me on that)

-Although sheik pretty much has an answer for everything Doc does, she cant completely obliterate doc from 1 grab (unless it's at high%), and she really cant ever combo the mess out of doc unless he lets it happen. Doc, on the other hand, CGs sheik.

*If you're one of those many people who swear that a 0-50+ CG doesnt mean anything because "doc cant ever land a grab" (meaning this game is apparently trash), then just go with the fact that Doc has pretty guaranteed followups anytime he ever lands a grab where as sheik, in large, is guarenteed a f.tilt, maybe a f.air or u.air.

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Neither one of them are horrible, they still have things that can pretty much get them royally ****ed while fighting doc.

 

[Vulcan55]

I don't know what to do when I get grabbed by Sheik at low (like 0) damage.
I either try to jump, Nair, or just DI every which way, but I always get grabbed again.
Nair and jump aren't fast enough, and Sheik can cover any way I DI easily.
After a few grabs, I can usually get out, but then come the Tilts.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

try not DIing. I don't know doc very well, but i know thats how marth gets out of the regrab.

 

[Dogysamich]

I don't know what to do when I get grabbed by Sheik at low (like 0) damage.
I either try to jump, Nair, or just DI every which way, but I always get grabbed again.
Nair and jump aren't fast enough, and Sheik can cover any way I DI easily.
After a few grabs, I can usually get out, but then come the Tilts.

You could slightly di and jump, dont DI and jump, do either or and not jump, or you could full DI. You have to mix up what you do.

 

[TemPesT-]

Sooo after MONTHS of trying i finally accomplished my taunt bair stage spike it made me fell amazing. it was on a planking noob shiek, but still.

BEST DOC COMBO EVARRRRRRR!!!!!!!1!!! lol

(it probably wasn't months i just never really tried :/)

 

[P.C. Jona]

vids or it didnt happen

 

[TemPesT-]

i don't have vids of me and your mom, but hey that happened.

 

[otg]

i don't have vids of me and your mom, but hey that happened.

Actually, so far jona's claim seems pretty legit

 

[TemPesT-]

Actually, so far jona's claim seems pretty legit

i never record friendlies, and i'd probably never try this in tourney sense i almost never use doc in tourney

 

[VGmasta]

I don't know what to do when I get grabbed by Sheik at low (like 0) damage.
I either try to jump, Nair, or just DI every which way, but I always get grabbed again.
Nair and jump aren't fast enough, and Sheik can cover any way I DI easily.
After a few grabs, I can usually get out, but then come the Tilts.

Agreed, my thoughts exactly. I get chaingrabbed for 3 or 4 throws, whether i DI'ed or not. And then I got f-tilted into a f-air. If I wasted my air-jump in all that crap and got hit out of it, I 'd just lose a stock.

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HEY HMW AND SHROOMED, FOUND SOMETHING YOU GUYS MIGHT LIKE.
IT'S recent FOOTAGE, OF A DOC, ACTUALLY EDGEGUARDING A CAPFAL.
WITNESS AND BE AMAZED!

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Hahaaahaaa. WC Docs just have to use more forward B vs. Captain Falcon whenever Falcon only has that one recovery option that all Docs love to "turn around". After that, SilentSpectre will become the underdog.

But Captain Falcon is NOT an easy matchup for Docs, Jona...

 

[St. Viers]

I eat capfal recoveries. I don't see how it's hard, and I suck. Even when playing people better than me--must be and EC thing =P

Regarding sheiks grab. She has options to cover everything you do, but they are different for each thing, so mix them up. If you don't DI, she can Upsmash you. If you DI slightly back, she can b-air, turn around fair you (but I think that clashes w/ your n-air if you throw one out). If you DI ahead, she can regrab, f-tilt, lotsa stuff.

I find the best thing is to DI slightly forward, take an f-tilt, and then get away (ASDI+DI the tilt). After that, just n-air or d-air or something if she keeps following up. If they get into expecting me to DI forward, I just don't DI and I n-air. It trades w/ every option except the upsmash. Or could just not get grabbed. It's not like you should be in a place where she can needle->grab anyways, and that's how most of her grabs should be landing.

In other news, I survived a couple 3v1s w/ team attack off (against ****ty players, but still XD), and gimped the next best person to me at Umass is 45 seconds (alas, w/ fox). Playing to improve is the best way to play.

 

[Shroomed]

I eat capfal recoveries. I don't see how it's hard, and I suck. Even when playing people better than me--must be and EC thing =P

Regarding sheiks grab. She has options to cover everything you do, but they are different for each thing, so mix them up. If you don't DI, she can Upsmash you. If you DI slightly back, she can b-air, turn around fair you (but I think that clashes w/ your n-air if you throw one out). If you DI ahead, she can regrab, f-tilt, lotsa stuff.

I find the best thing is to DI slightly forward, take an f-tilt, and then get away (ASDI+DI the tilt). After that, just n-air or d-air or something if she keeps following up. If they get into expecting me to DI forward, I just don't DI and I n-air. It trades w/ every option except the upsmash. Or could just not get grabbed. It's not like you should be in a place where she can needle->grab anyways, and that's how most of her grabs should be landing.

In other news, I survived a couple 3v1s w/ team attack off (against ****ty players, but still XD), and gimped the next best person to me at Umass is 45 seconds (alas, w/ fox). Playing to improve is the best way to play.

i hope you didnt say that doc's nair clashes with sheiks fair

cuz that would never, ever, ever happen

best case scenario, you both get hit

 

[St. Viers]

I meant trade. Aerials of course don't clash. Also, if you don't DI, it *will* trade, because it's at a sucky place for her to reach w/ fair.