DK will NEVER be able to Cargo Stage Spike again!

[SuSa]

It's not even that big of a deal. You just press R with a bit of timing and it's rendered useless anyways.

Pretty much this. (Or L, or whatever you have as shield)

I have R set to specials.

But you know... teching never existed before this.... although this is nice to know. more random things for me to spread knowledge about when people complain about me stage spiking them.

 

[Veggi]

Are there really people that think the cargo is only used for stage spikes?

 

[SuSa]

Are there really people that think the cargo is only used for stage spikes?

This can also be used to escape the cargo quicker, although those who get screwed by cargo releases......

 

[magikguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmXvENZVGw

:'( that wont work now at low %.

 

[napZzz]

dont smart people just tech it anyways? At least the people I play do -.-

 

[Sixonesix]

Good thing I never use cargo for stage spiking. Seriously, with all of DK's killing moves, CSS was probably his most overrated option. Looked cool, though.

 

[waldorf2007]

the ****.... that's .....terrible

 

[Tenki]

Hahaha this reminds me of when I went to the Steak Break Room and told people about the correct way to DI, tech, and get free counterattacks off of Sonic's D-throw. Everyone started freaking out.

The information got leaked, but then we lucked out:

Boxob made a thread about it in TBD and since Boxob was the one who posted it, noone believed it.

lmao

but it doesn't really matter anyway because we have other alternatives than D-throw.

 

[Tujex]

DK has 99 kill moves and CSS ain't one.....HIT ME!

 

[daisho]

DK has 99 kill moves and CSS ain't one.....HIT ME!

*hits Tujex*

Besides 1) f tilt 2) u tilt 3) F smash 4) U smash 5) D smash 6) U air 7) B air 8) DK punch 9) B throw 10) CSS (used to be) I can't really think of any... (unless gimping then 11) Up B 12) Side B 13) Dair 14) Fair)

So your are a liar!

 

[MdrnDayMercutio]

Fair kills, even if not spiked... technically... even if it is a bad move.

 

[UTDZac]

Fair kills, even if not spiked... technically... even if it is a bad move.

That's like saying mk's down B counts as one of his kill moves.

 

[gantrain05]

i connect with Fair quite a bit, usually a retreating Fair edgegaurd for mindgames lol

 

[Ragnar0k]

yeah L2 DK. Fair offstage is rude as hell.

 

[magikguy]

jump cargo -> fair. some people actually jump (snake do it a lot )

 

[Jmex]

I was doing this all day yesterday at SCSA3...... Long Live The Cargo Stage SPike.

 

[RP`]

jump cargo -> fair. some people actually jump (snake do it a lot )

Yeah, or dair works too. But be careful for his fair though. I got my *** spiked once because of it. But this isn't smart for some chars though, like the spacies. They will normally side B to get back on stage, so I won't jump when I cargo downthrow, and I will ground up B to edgeguard them.

 

[crifer]

I use fair, too
but dair is so much stronger!

 

[Veggi]

jump cargo -> fair. some people actually jump (snake do it a lot )

Everytime I do it to a Peach player they float there and get hit with the meteor part.

 

[ShadowLink84]

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Should you be grabbed by DK and he attempts a cargo spike, upon being throw against the stage immediately perform the following inputs.

This assumes default controls.

L,Y,Y
R,X,X
L,X,Y (if you want to be fancy)

This and more in the popular

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*cough* Sorry got carried away.

About using Fair after a Cargo throw, isn't it possible to footstool during the Fair? Mainly since how long it takes to come out.
I've been using DKlately and i find it safer to just get back onto the ledge and bear my opponent.

 

[Veggi]

As been said, if someone knows how to tech, they can be reverse cargo down throwed under the stage. If they try to tech they just airdodge and die. It's also possible to just fast fall after an attempted cargo>jump>dthrow>jump fair. I don't think footstool stun is possible during start up lag. Even then, the dthrow sends them too far away to footstool.

 

[powuh_of_PIE]

Fair kills, even if not spiked... technically... even if it is a bad move.

Cargo dthrow --> Fair/Dair is my standard intimidation tactic at low %s - even if I know it's probably not going to hit, it's scary as hell when your opponent is looking straight into a potential low-percent spike kill. And if it hits, well, +1 DK. Also, a lot of people are surprised by the height that Fair has - it reaches higher than Uair IIRC - so surprise non-spike kills near the edge are also common. Especially if you fastfall that sucker and turn a spike into a horizontal KO - it'll screw up the timing they thought they had. L2Fairmindgames

 

[Veggi]

It really does reach higher than his uair.

 

[Mith_]

Well this sucks.

 

[istudying]

Great! ;D

DK will vanish.

 

[Ripple]

DK will never vanish as long as I'm around.

 

[Kitamerby]

Maybe if we stop posting the bad thread will go away. ;-;

 

[Noobicidal]

Maybe if we stop posting the bad thread will go away. ;-;

Good idea.

OH WAIT.

 

[neji32]

Why would you post this!!

 

[PhatyCHONG]

I have a good feeling having this leaked is going to let DK go down at MOST 3 characters on the tier list.
However DK will always be one of the best heavies, we just need to learn some new AT's for DK eH?

Also cargo spikeing wasn't too significant for winning anyways and it never has been, one day someone will discover better game breaks for DK and he'll be right back fighting to be on top of their tier section just need to give it time but, It sure was FUN back when you could do it :D

 

[Kneeslash]

Aw man, thats just depressing. I hope none of my friends find this out, but then again that just means i have to. . .
take it out of my gameplay.

Ugh it hurts.

 

[Darknid]

Well let's be honest how many big time pro matches do you see where the DK player relies on the stage spike at all?

 

[UTDZac]

Again, I highly doubt this affected high level players at all. They were probably already wiggling out fast enough using their own methods.

If anything this knowledge does two things:
1) Gives new players who can't press buttons very fast to wiggle out a defense against CSS.
2) Helps prevent the destruction of the controllers of the advanced players who do press buttons really fast.

 

[YagamiDark]

Well let's be honest how many big time pro matches do you see where the DK player relies on the stage spike at all?

Saw CBK **** a Lucario once with a Cargo stage spike in a crew battle. I see CBK do a lot of stage spikes O_o

 

[Ragnar0k]

OH NOEZ, THIS WILL DESTROY DK'S ENTIRE GAME!

This is NOT a big deal at all. Good people wiggled out fast or teched it anyway. This will hardly impact DK's metagame. You people have blown the importance of this way out of proportion.

 

[1nconspikuous]

sry to bump this, but does this affect any other character's metagames? i'm thinking to get out of say... D3s inhale or something.

 

[itsthebigfoot]

anyone who likes grabbing and jabbing is affected by this

maybe the IC's too since the autowiggle would let people get out at low% from the death grabs

 

[Ripple]

anyone who likes grabbing and jabbing is affected by this

maybe the IC's too since the autowiggle would let people get out at low% from the death grabs

this only affects DK, no one else....

 

[Geou]

The main loss from this isn't the Cargo Stage Spike, but Cargo off-stage down-throws, IMO. They work well into leading into gimps against characters like Snake, Link, Mario, etc.

 

[TheHulk]

Yo Guys News Flash This So Called Technique Doesnt Work Sorry I Found A Way Around This