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[soap]

fox and falco can circle camp on japes and theres pretty much nothing you can do about it.

you can read those illusions and cut them off for stocks

 

[Silent Wolf]

you can read those illusions and cut them off for stocks

not if youre actually good at knowing when to do them.

 

[soap]

but what if i know when it's good to do them too and i trick u

 

[EPsilon933]

No ITEMS!
FOX ONLY!!
FINAL DESTINATION!!!

 

[unknown522]

if RC and/or brinstar are legal, then corneria should be too.

I think all 3 should banned anyway. They are dumb levels that remove skill for the game (Corneria less though).

 

[Silent Wolf]

but what if i know when it's good to do them too and i trick u

if the fox or falco makes sure to get invincibility via up b stall accordingly, ie when they would be at riisk of getting hit. if you try to attack theyll realize it when you dont hit them because theyre invincible and get away or just punish you. if you try to fake out, they can just stay on and laser from the ledge if you go too far way upon trying to trick them. when they do side b, from the right side they can ride the water in their shine to get even further away if they need to.

i doubt anyone would actually do this for 8 minutes though, and im sure certain characters could get around it like jiggs.

 

[Zone]

What is with all this rainbow cruise hate? and all this Jungle Japes love?

and lol at everyone picking their characters strongest stages as good stages, and their weak ones as bad stages.

Clap traps are much more gay than "Preset Platform patterns"

to me it never feels like a victory when a claptrap gimps my opponent, Nor do I feel like I was defeated when I get clap trapped at low%. But I guess this is just me.

Fox's wave-shine is so gay, It's like the sole reason that a few stages are banned.

 

[Dark Hart]

I main spacies and I'm talking about banning Cruise... yea

 

[thesage]

Corneria is banned because of things Ness does there and it being a good stage for Fox AFAIK.

I still think it shouldn't be banned. =/


I have like no cps with the new rules. My favorite cps were jungles japes, corneria, and mute city. Now I have to learn how to play on brinstar...

 

[Silent Wolf]

fox can camp just as well on kj 64, and he cant do waveshine combos on corneria. if fox is why its banned thats dumb.

 

[Dark Hart]

I see no reason for Japes to be banned.

 

[Ryzol_]

Honestly, I'm amazed Rainbow Cruise has lasted this long.

It's because there are no random elements in Rainbow Cruise. It's 100% predictable every single time. No fly guys coming through, no random barrel, no random lava, no semi-random claptraps, no platforms moving up at down to **** with your combos, no ****ing arwings shooting at you.

I could almost see the stage being neutral, but it moves and that bothers people.

 

[Silent Wolf]

theres also walk off edges, which are complete bull****. lets add mk II to the cp list

 

[Keblerelf]

It's because there are no random elements in Rainbow Cruise. It's 100% predictable every single time. No fly guys coming through, no random barrel, no random lava, no semi-random claptraps, no platforms moving up at down to **** with your combos, no ****ing arwings shooting at you.

I could almost see the stage being neutral, but it moves and that bothers people.

Then why is poke floats banned now?

 

[thesage]

Poke floats is banned cuz of the stage being glitchy and sudowodo.

 

[edgeluca]

I'm so glad mute city is banned, who the heck wants a stage only 2 characters are good on!?
A couple weeks ago I might've lost a set vs a puff if Mute city wasn't banned, this way I got to ban brinstar and not worry

Some other newly banned stages are dumb too. I just hate stadium being a CP

 

[thesage]

Mute City is good for Falcon and Samus too actually...

 

[EPsilon933]

Mute City is good for Falcon and Samus too actually...

Don't forget Zelda. She needs that stage advantage.

 

[Smasher89]

Btw why did Kongo jungle get banned? (the one with the rock)

 

[EPsilon933]

Btw why did Kongo jungle get banned? (the one with the rock)

That's the reason. Camping there is so easy and broken.

 

[Armada]

unknown522: Fox and falco (mostly fox) is so good and give them corneria and corneria is really bad.

Many matchups is like impossible Brinstar should be on but not RC or corneria.

Silent Wolf: You can´t be serious fox is way to good at corneria.

edgeluca: The thing is (and no one wanna understand it and i don´t know why) if you take Peach (puff is gay like hell and best and we should ban her) she already have so many bad matchups and mc make the matchups more close.

In nsc he have bad matchups against
Fox: 70-30: with MC 60-40
Marth 60-40: with MC 55-45
Sheik 60-40: With MC Close or something
Falco 50-50:With MC 60-40
Puff 55-45
CF 65-35:With mc no idea.

MC makes more matchups more CLOSE but people never wanna understand that and say "peach is too good".

HOW can peach be too good if almost every char (not random low tiers) still have the advantage?

 

[Silent Wolf]

Silent Wolf: You can´t be serious fox is way to good at corneria.

im not denying that. im just saying that if his camping capabilities are one of the main reasons its banned thats dumb because he can camp just as well on kongo jungle 64 pretty much. a peach has 0 chance of touching a fox on that stage if they actually tried to camp.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Lol. ships are gay! They just shoot at ppl.

Is Kongo Jungle not good for any other characters as a cp?

 

[Armada]

Silent Wolf: ok in understand what you mean and that´s true.

Kongo jungle should not be a counterpick stage.

 

[Blistering Speed]

Brinstar is far worse then Corneria.

Also, everyone listen to Silent Wolf. Fox and Falco camping on Jungle Japes is beyond broken.

 

[Smasher89]

On jungle japes?, anyone got vids of that? (and even if thet would be the case in singles, it´s not proved to be broken in teams...)

EDIT: Never mind, I thought it was about kongo jungle 64 which it was, not jungle japes...

 

[LLDL]

I think rainbow cruise is beneficial the person who is used to playing on it. Technically speaking, spacies should just **** the crap out of whoever counterpicks the stage either way if the player is good enough. You might as well make corneria legal, since it's beneficial to spacies, rather than stages like brinstar and rainbow which are really NOT beneficial to the person who counterpicks, it's just because they are familiar with the territory. How does it feel to pick brinstar and still get busted up. Rainbow? That stage acts against both characters far worse then corneria benefits falco.

 

[Roneblaster]

KJ64 should be Neutral

 

[Armada]

Blistering Speed: Why?

Let me guess you play falco/fox (maybe CF).

 

[Merkuri]

I'm all for adding more stages but I'm against Corneria simply because Fox ***** too much there. Instead I think they should make Big Blue legal. I think the argument for it's illegality is that the movement of the stage is somewhat random. That's a ******** argument however because of the Cloud on Yoshi Story and the Wind on Dream Land are random as well.

 

[EPsilon933]

I'm all for adding more stages but I'm against Corneria simply because Fox ***** too much there. Instead I think they should make Big Blue legal. I think the argument for it's illegality is that the movement of the stage is somewhat random. That's a ******** argument however because of the Cloud on Yoshi Story and the Wind on Dream Land are random as well.

Randall isn't random. Also, those stage hazzards don't really affect the game much.

 

[Redd]

im not denying that. im just saying that if his camping capabilities are one of the main reasons its banned thats dumb because he can camp just as well on kongo jungle 64 pretty much. a peach has 0 chance of touching a fox on that stage if they actually tried to camp.

This. I can understand **** like why Onett used to be counterpick but Fox is **** on it, but KJ64 is in the same league as Corneria for camping. It used to be my main counterpick... =(

 

[Kanelol]

the Cloud on Yoshi Story and the Wind on Dream Land are random as well.

:|

/10lolwuts

 

[Jonas]

Cars on Big Blue aren't random. I think the reason for banning the stage is balance. Slow, laggy characters who can't jump high (like Ganon or Bowser) have a tough time maneuvering around the stage, while characters like Fox can just run around and spam laser. This is true for all stages though, but Big Blue exacerbates it.
Also, falling off the cars and down on the track gives you a pretty unfair punishment.

 

[Merkuri]

Cars on Big Blue aren't random. I think the reason for banning the stage is balance. Slow, laggy characters who can't jump high (like Ganon or Bowser) have a tough time maneuvering around the stage, while characters like Fox can just run around and spam laser. This is true for all stages though, but Big Blue exacerbates it.
Also, falling off the cars and down on the track gives you a pretty unfair punishment.

Oh, I always thought the cars were random. Well if the only issue is balance then Big Blue is not as bad as Rainbow Cruise. Maneuvering the cars is easier than maneuvering the platforms, and camping really doesn't play a big role in that stage as half of the time the stage is divided into an upper and lower row, hence avoiding lasers is easy and the other half there are platforms present. Hell most of the characters can simply duck under the cars and lasers won't be able to hit you.

And falling of the cars on to the track isn't nearly as bad as falling off a platform on rainbow cruse and falling to your death. I'd argue that Big Blue is more balanced than Rainbow Cruise and even with Brinstar.

 

[X1-12]

And falling of the cars on to the track isn't nearly as bad as falling off a platform on rainbow cruse and falling to your death. I'd argue that Big Blue is more balanced than Rainbow Cruise and even with Brinstar.

firstly its clear where the boundaries of the platforms are on RC, also if you DO fall off then you have plenty of time to use your double-jump and/or up+B. on Big Blue, you have very little time, as soon as you are on the track you are whisked away, and even if you do have time to jump, you often have been moved to an area of track with no cars for you to land on

 

[Silent Wolf]

Oh, I always thought the cars were random. Well if the only issue is balance then Big Blue is not as bad as Rainbow Cruise. Maneuvering the cars is easier than maneuvering the platforms, and camping really doesn't play a big role in that stage as half of the time the stage is divided into an upper and lower row, hence avoiding lasers is easy and the other half there are platforms present. Hell most of the characters can simply duck under the cars and lasers won't be able to hit you.

And falling of the cars on to the track isn't nearly as bad as falling off a platform on rainbow cruse and falling to your death. I'd argue that Big Blue is more balanced than Rainbow Cruise and even with Brinstar.

LOL. falling onto the track is far worse than "falling" off a platform on rainbow cruise. youre pretty much dead if you hit the track. being knocked off the stage on rainbow cruise is better than just about any other stage because you usually have more options as to where you can recover. ur trippin

 

[Merkuri]

firstly its clear where the boundaries of the platforms are on RC, also if you DO fall off then you have plenty of time to use your double-jump and/or up+B. on Big Blue, you have very little time, as soon as you are on the track you are whisked away, and even if you do have time to jump, you often have been moved to an area of track with no cars for you to land on

This must be coming from someone who almost never plays on Big Blue, when you hit the track, all you do is jump and you'll live, and when you do jump you are not often ''moved to an area of track with no cars for you to land on''; 95% of the times they are cars accessible at all area on the stage, including the very back which are all very easy to land on.

As for rainbow cruise the boundaries of platforms are clear because people are familiar with the stage, logistically the boundaries of the platforms/cars are no different on rainbow cruise as they are on Big Blue, the boundaries just don't seem clear to you because you are unfamiliar with the stage. And unlike in Big Blue on Rainbow Cruise the platforms reappear and disappear making them additionally hazardous, it's not as easy to deal with as you suggest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gg-cTIYwEU check out 1:15

LOL. falling onto the track is far worse than "falling" off a platform on rainbow cruise. youre pretty much dead if you hit the track. being knocked off the stage on rainbow cruise is better than just about any other stage because you usually have more options as to where you can recover. ur trippin

On BB when you fall on to the track all you have to do is jump and you can land on the immediately available cars behind and in front of you. That is far less dangerous than on Rainbow Cruise when you may be recovering to a disappearing platform, a swinging platform, a platform that drops if you keep on standing on it, etc. Moreover RC moves much faster than Big Blue making it easier for the invisible wall to kill you. I'm not saying RC isn't playable I'm just saying Big Blue is a less hazardous stage. Try to be open minded about it.

 

[Smasher89]

Shine is very very good on big blue, and a creates the situation "fall on the track", no matter if it´s teched or not, you´ll get KOd unless the stage is on a part where theres no road aviable (cars in the air), depending on which chars of course. I need more experience on the stage, but I think Fox(lasercamp+shine), peach(dsmash to track, float) and probably (or not) puff is really good on it.

 

[Kanelol]

I tech when get knocked onto the track and still die

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