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True, you can't exactly let the trampoline do the work for you. It's more for disruption and putting the opponent in an uncomfortable position. What you follow up with isn't autopilot.
Walk backwards....shoot with Ryu coming in no excuse now not to whiff punish everything....
That's one of the best things about Kirby, lol
The strongest character across metas. I'm pretty sure she loses solidly to Pika with customs on (it's evenish in default) and Sonic either way, but she's just too dominant against the rest of the cast for those MUs to lower her ranking. The Yellow Satan. Possibly still underrated in vanilla by some, and absolutely borked once customs come into play. I consider the Pikachu MU the defining aspect of the customs meta, even more so than Sheik. Retained a lot of silliness despite his nerfs, and to sweeten the deal his best Spin Dash variant remained untouched. I was tempted to put him in S with customs on, but I don't think he invalidates many characters as good/flexible as he is. I have her as #2 with customs off, but this is more so by process of elimination than anything else. She can handle anything that comes her way, and only moves down because other characters get stupider. Which brings us to... He's already good and actually gains new projectile and KO options via customs. Out of the high-tier grouping, he's the character I'd feel most comfortable picking against custom Pikachu, which definitely weighs heavily into his position. I wasn't a big believer in Falcon until recently, when players I didn't recognize started coming out of nowhere and wrecking face with him. I feel kind of bad for not recognizing his potency sooner. I also no longer think Pika destroys him. She's really good, especially with customs. But the fact that Luma will die eventually (especially post-nerf) means that she can't maintain oppressive states forever. This distinguishes her from the other top characters and bars her from S-Tier. I believe in vanilla Luigi. With customs on, too many characters get stupid early kills and/or ways to wall him out that make him miserable. He'll remains good, but I can't see him remaining in the top grouping while gaining little. A "fair" character in more sense than one. I think more people should start taking Rocketbarrel Attack in customs. Yeah it makes his recovery iffy (it's otherwise quite good, actually) but he needs it to stay relevant in 50%-kill-land. The Fist Of God, proclaimed by some to be the best in the game despite the fact that his best move is less flexible than Heavy Skull Bash. I think he's definitely a top-5 contender, but he doesn't belong in S-Tier where true titans reside. His ledge-camping strategy is amazing vs. most of the cast, but the fact that two strong characters can completely shut them down (Pika and Palutena, for those wondering) limits its utility. Fortunately, he's still very solid playing normally. "He can fart to fly around," but he no longer has to thanks to his custom bike! I think he matches up pretty well vs. the characters above him, and customs are (relatively) kind to him, so A-/A tier it is. A good character with few horrible MUs who gains little from customs. I think he does respectably vs. Pikachu (customs off), but probably loses hard to Rosalina (customs on). He's not even a candidate for top 5 though guys, wtf? 
I am a believer in customs-Mario. In default, I kind of agree with Gheb that he's a bit overrated. The buffs he gains to his Avatar powers are really noticeable, especially with Scalding FLUDD (moves that combine fire and water are good). I'm still not seeing the magic with this character, although I do think he's still quite good. It seems like most people either think he's ridiculous or think he's super overrated. I think I've settled somewhere in the middle due to uncertainty. The prophecy has been fulfilled: victory is his destiny. I think he loses a little bit of potency in customs, only because silly death combos become a lot more common, and so ability to confirm them off of stray hits (Pika...) becomes central. I think R.O.B. is very good, but I also think 1) the early game is kinder to his archetype, which possibly inflates his results, and 2) you don't want to be large in a meta infested with infinites and long combos. At least his recovery gets buffed. The Heavenly Ho has some devastating tricks, including some gimmicks which would be S-Tier on a more solid character base. But she's just so linear that I can't justify ranking her higher in spite of her potency./ Like R.O.B., they're fundamentally solid characters. This is enough to sneak them into the A-ranks if customs are off. But when they're on, the game suddenly becomes more Marvelesque while these guys are playing Street Fighter. I think Ike will surprise people who don't understand how he works in this game. He's kind of out-of-place style-wise, but I think his MU spread is good. IMO he boasts one of the only advantages vs. Pika in customs, which is a big deal.
WAAAAAY to early to tell.
I think that of the characters that will be released tomorrow, Lucas has the best shot at a decent meta. That's really because some Ness mains were just Lucas mains in waiting.
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Only time will tell, but I see what you're saying. See, with Mewtwo EVERYONE was like: I'm going to main Mewtwo! Even if he sucks I'll make him work!
I think it was dthrow in Brawl, with uthrow being similar but marginally weaker?
Did it kill as earlier as Ness? I don't remember Lucas having a Kill throw.
lol, well I wasnt tryin to talk about pikachu I was just wondering what you though Sheiks and ZSS's MU charts were since you brought them up.@Cassio I forgot about the rodent. He definitely doesn't really seem to have much that holds him back either although I don't think he's as strong as ZSS (but he could still be a better overall character). I will still maintain mild pessimism towards him; if it wasn't for up tilt or back air being ludicrously hard to beat / avoid I wouldn't think he's that great at all. As a character that seems to want to put himself in the air for trapping/safety and for sneaky approaching, other characters abilities to KEEEL him for it should get better over time.
how the **** can down throw be a kill throw oh my god
Technically, Falco, Sheik, and I think someone's D-throw kills by stage spiking Captain Falcon near the ledge, but you have to be at the right place near the ledge and it only works on like Captain Falcon and maybe someone else.
You press Z and then press down on the control stick and then they die.
I can confirm both of those.
the song is on dreamland 64
I think Shulk's main issue is that he commits significantly to practically any approach he has. Speed and Jump mitigate this somewhat, and Buster helps a lot with his shield safety, but for the most part shielding beats Shulk's direct approaches.
Considering there was a short live twitch stream that showed the three characters... (I only got to see the Lucas and Roy parts)
Were they good changes? Like, is he faster in the air?
Shulk is still a really fundamental based character like Pit/Marth/Ike. You can M-arte cancel all you want, you're still playing Mid-range at the end of the day, and throwing out all your **** just to cancel it when you have 10/15s CD's on it and going deeper into the arte pull to cancel is still a time commitment that can be tacked onto your already 13+ start-up on aerials.
