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you should discard any concept of "style", it's a terrible idea that allows justification of suboptimal decision-making.
I don't really use Skype, but sure, if you could point out timestamps for PP-Armada that would be great!Well fair only works like I said if you do it in the right positioning. If you give me your Skype account we can discuss it and ill show you what ranges I'm talking about through there. Or I could point then out to you during the GF set with PP and Armada.
I'm not so sure that we can rule out "style" altogether.
Look for grabs, bait spot dodges, don't get grabbed, space your attacks well, overshoot nair, get him off stage, edge guard.
I never have any luck with dtilt vs fox.
The ideal for marth vs peach is to eliminate her options, shut her out of the game, and then kill her at your leisure. this is obviously not always possible, human error, etc. the longer peach lives, the more she has margin to take advantage of being alive to make trades with you and to make herself more relevant to the game.
"Style" is a vague and meaningless concept that is usually seen as a subset of specific actions used to describe an otherwise complex set of behaviors. These behaviors are based on your decision-making mid-match. In a competitive setting, there are only two types of decisions: the optimal decision, and mistakes. Everything that is not an optimal decision is a mistake regardless of the outcome.
Thanks a lot man. I'll definitely keeps this in mind tomorrow.
AC nair only has landing lag. More than enough time to catch pretty much anything. When you dtilt, what do you follow it up with?
Also, when fighting fox, if he throws you offstage don't immediately jump or side b unless you plan to air dodge towards the stage after the jump. Fox eats that for breakfast.
Oh my god, my life. haha No wonder I kept getting shine spiked every single time. Thanks a bunch.
I thought someone posted this awhile back. Maybe KirbyKaze?... probably not. Anyway, they showed using the debug mode that the first hit of nair on a rising attack always will cause fox to miss the 2nd hit because he lands on the ground and ducks when doing so thus missing the 2nd hit.
Depends. Nothing is really guaranteed, but its enough to give back the pace of the match to seek for another follow-up.
The dtilt isn't for the followup, but for the positional advantage of pushing them out of that section of the stage and closer to the edge. They have to respect your poke. It has the added benefit, again of being your faster option out of RUN that isn't grab (you can also run further to grab them, instead of dtilting, if they're dashing away).
Sorry, I don't have any numbers for you. But can't tipped fairs be used to combo Falcon well at mid percents?
Some people don't like that approach. Reward is pretty great if you get it right, otherwise you leave it up to chance/read which is not always the best route.
He is in the same amount of stun regardless of DI. If Fsmash can hit away DI, then Utilt can hit any other sort of DI in between. Only difference is that you need to sometimes turn to make sure you hit the tipper otherwise Falcon goes directly into the ground afterwards.
I'm sort of confused by this. Are you using Fthrow? That makes sense to see DI away and grab the ledge with 2nd jump. But, not if you are using Uthrow it doesn't.
The throws are only bad when you use the wrong ones at the wrong time. Dthrow/Fthrow are perfectly fine due to tech chasing at 0% into the mid percents and you can get guaranteed regrabs into more dthrow/fthrow pummels until he reaches a percent where Uthrow starts doing stuff. Normally around 50%, Falcon cannot jump out of anything anymore and will eat a move if you use the right one. Utilt misses completely on DI away, but can be caught by Fsmash or Fair if you dash at him.
do lots of downthrows and use them to set up timing or positioning traps. when he does things in your traps, wait, react and attack what he does. usually i find timing traps to be better against falcon because it gives you more of a buffer or margin or error in your reactions to abuse him with, and his tech options and start-up time on attacks are both slower than usual. let the flow of the match occur naturally, you may or may not get combos but you'll certainly get a dead opponent.
It's not that I'm "too focused" on getting the combo lol. I agree with everything you said, and that's pretty much where I'm at as a player. I'm pretty good at executing everything you said as well, like...that's how the matchup goes.
Yeah, waiting for the double jump is a really huge payoff if you can catch them doing it. It's merely a mixup at the highest levels though, just one tool in Marth's arsenal.
I hear ya. It's a guessing game, where you bait their Uair or grab the ledge. (or more effectively IMO than grabbing the ledge, fall off fair which can consistently be converted into a kill.)I have a hard time getting Falcon off stage. Often they DI away and double jump to grab the edge for free.
I know, I can try to preempt by grabbing the edge but Marth often eats an uair in that situation.
Yup, sounds about right from my experience.
Despite that not being what I'm looking for at all, I agree with everything here lol. Copy and pasting this into "Smash Wisdom" folder straight from the professor himself.
Word, great advice as usual. This specific sentence is the entire reason I'm trying to dig deeper into this "guaranteed" hit thing. It's mainly just feeling it out and chasing him off the stage or into a tipper, mainly because "platforms and positions vary too much for me to have a general rule."
