aw man not this thread too
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Blistering Speed
Smash Champion
Marth is probably better than Falco, and certainly wins the head-to-head. Y'all are whiny *****es.
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Dunno if I'd go that far, but there isn't a single character in the top seven that can't handle Falco (Falcon is debatable).
Only higher lasers, but yes it's pretty sweet.
Something nifty I saw in M2K vs Mango recordings from Impulse is that M2K used first hit side B to stall just as he was about to land on Mango(who is laying on the ground), trying to force the getup attack. It didn't work, which makes me wonder if Marth's should just start landing right on top of people sitting on the ground and shielding/CC'ing getup attacks to make a mixup like that/DJ'ing work.
Something nifty I saw in M2K vs Mango recordings from Impulse is that M2K used first hit side B to stall just as he was about to land on Mango(who is laying on the ground), trying to force the getup attack. It didn't work, which makes me wonder if Marth's should just start landing right on top of people sitting on the ground and shielding/CC'ing getup attacks to make a mixup like that/DJ'ing work.
Knock someone down, then dash into them, dash away and pivot. If they get up attack or just stand fsmash if you space it right you'll tipper. If they roll towards you just grab, and if they roll away wavedash and dtilt. PROBLEM ****ING SOLVED!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cinmbV754J0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cinmbV754J0
MasterShake
Smash Lord
Unless they have that weird roll towards a ledge with momentum and they fall of the ledge after they "get up".
Man I HATE IT when that ****ing happens.
Man I HATE IT when that ****ing happens.
Bones0
Smash Legend
I believe Raptor Boost actually has a few frames where it's invincibile to projectiles only. I remember someone talking about it, and it makes sense because I've definitely shot a laser low enough to hit a crouching Kirby and Falcon just went through it. lol It doesn't show up in the hitbox thread though, so don't bother looking there.
As far as GUA, everyone should just learn to react. It's sooooo much better than any other way of trying to cover it. The other day I even PS fsmashed a GUA on reaction! It's actually pretty reliable because the gap for reaction time is so perfect for how long GUA takes to come out on the early side (which I doubt is a coincidence; I'm sure they designed GUA to be just barely possible to react to).
Mahone
Smash Champion
I'll have to test those few frames....that's a pretty big deal potentially.
Yeah it's good to react but setting up different ways to react is also nice. It can also be helpful to do weird stuff like what I suggested once in a while as well. Reacting is hard sometimes.
Bones0
Smash Legend
Mahone, you should make a website where you criticize comedies. You can have cool features like the "Laughtrack-o-meter" where you calculate the number of artificial laughs per minute, and the "Painfully Mediocre Sitcom" segment (abbreviated PMS), where you talk about how a female character has ruined a show.
@PP
You can just practice with Marth vs. level 4 spacies on FD. Just intentionally drop your uthrows and walk right up to them. Their rate of GUA vs. roll is random enough that you'll be able to tell if you're reacting or predicting because you'll never get more than 2-3 in a row. After just practicing that for a long time, I can pretty consistently go an entire stock without missing a single reaction grab. It's definitely harder in the heat of the moment of an actual match, but I still get them often enough that I no longer go for reads. Even if I react late and get hit by a GUA, it usually seems like it's worth the risk when it basically guarantees you get followups on everything else.
@PP
You can just practice with Marth vs. level 4 spacies on FD. Just intentionally drop your uthrows and walk right up to them. Their rate of GUA vs. roll is random enough that you'll be able to tell if you're reacting or predicting because you'll never get more than 2-3 in a row. After just practicing that for a long time, I can pretty consistently go an entire stock without missing a single reaction grab. It's definitely harder in the heat of the moment of an actual match, but I still get them often enough that I no longer go for reads. Even if I react late and get hit by a GUA, it usually seems like it's worth the risk when it basically guarantees you get followups on everything else.
what if I wanna practice it with falco =(
Bones0
Smash Legend
If you practice with Marth, it transfers pretty much exactly the same. You don't have to worry about shield pokes as much, but you have to make sure you're closer in order to grab on reaction. With Falco I think you can dthrow non-spacies or dair to get a similar effect. I did it somehow before, but I can't remember. Pretty sure it was dthrow.
knightpraetor
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cool bones. i wanted to practice this the other day
.Ðempt
Certified Ponch
This thread is still making progress, nice job guys.
@ Austin - I'd love a pivot tutorial write-up.
@ Austin - I'd love a pivot tutorial write-up.
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When moving forward, you can hit with the weaker hitbox by waiting an extra frame or two before starting the attack. In general, its best to hit at the last second in your combos. For example, if you were to wait til you could fast fall and hit with the weak hit, you can lcancel and follow up while if you had done a rising fair you would have a hard time following up (besides another fair)
@Bidwell as much as that would be helpful I was thinking of doing an instructional video. That way it will reduce the amount of questions people have. Like I said if more marth players want me to do it then I'll find a way to make it work. If not then I'd rather not waste my time you know?
Go for it.
we're all baka gaijin tsundere anyway
"oh austin-chan i-it's n-not like we care or anything like that!"
"we totally know all the tricks and apply them to our matches! baaaka~!"
"we watch anime and eat cheetos with chopsticks! USE THE TIP FOR MAXIMUM FRAME ADVANTAGE"
"srsly, it's not like we just don't know we want it! there's no cognitive dissonance or apathy from internal conflict or anything of that sort! there must be a tsundere sentence generator! i'm a weeaboo. desu."
obv
we're all baka gaijin tsundere anyway
"oh austin-chan i-it's n-not like we care or anything like that!"
"we totally know all the tricks and apply them to our matches! baaaka~!"
"we watch anime and eat cheetos with chopsticks! USE THE TIP FOR MAXIMUM FRAME ADVANTAGE"
"srsly, it's not like we just don't know we want it! there's no cognitive dissonance or apathy from internal conflict or anything of that sort! there must be a tsundere sentence generator! i'm a weeaboo. desu."
obv
TheCrimsonBlur
Smash Master
Don't know why but this really made me laugh, hard. With your single post I shall make a video tutorial on how to pivot as well as pivot setups and many other things. It's going to take some time though. Just fyi.Go for it.
we're all baka gaijin tsundere anyway
"oh austin-chan i-it's n-not like we care or anything like that!"
"we totally know all the tricks and apply them to our matches! baaaka~!"
"we watch anime and eat cheetos with chopsticks! USE THE TIP FOR MAXIMUM FRAME ADVANTAGE"
"srsly, it's not like we just don't know we want it! there's no cognitive dissonance or apathy from internal conflict or anything of that sort! there must be a tsundere sentence generator! i'm a weeaboo. desu."
obv
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VietGeek, I liked that post.
But...don't take that to mean anything weird!
But...don't take that to mean anything weird!
Smooth Criminal
Da Cheef
VietGeek for prez.
Smooth Criminal (obv)
Smooth Criminal (obv)
clowsui
Smash Legend
Yo Peepee
what is cactuar's "stuff" like
or is this something we keep to PMs
(i promise i'm not gay lol)
what is cactuar's "stuff" like
or is this something we keep to PMs
(i promise i'm not gay lol)
cactuar's stuff is like bruce lee mixed with starcraft korean surgical processes combined with the power of being a giant troll
maybe giant prickly troll even
edit: if you want srs then ask
maybe giant prickly troll even
edit: if you want srs then ask
Tee ay eye
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Stop this at once
MasterShake
Smash Lord
What.
In.
The.
Everliving.
****.
In.
The.
Everliving.
****.
Feel free to share whatever you'd like to, PP. Anything we talk about is fair game for anyone who cares to ask the questions.
kd-
Smash Lord
So when I'm recovering as Marth, I can't get around getting shine spiked or attacked off stage. Playing my friend, I get shined in just about every way possible - he runs and jumps off the stage to shine, he grabs the ledge and shines me, he drops backwards off the ledge and shines me, or he walks/runs off the stage and shines me. What do I look for in protecting myself against shines or offstage knees? Funny story, everytime I try to do that to his Marth he side-b's or sometimes second-jump fairs me and he's successful against my shines 95% of the time. I've asked him what his thought process is and he didn't really give me a concrete answer; it was something along the lines of 'I've been in that situation before, I just have experience with it'. Is it a prediction/reaction based thing? Is it a rock-paper-scissors?
Also, @Austin I wouldn't mind a mini pivot guide since I suck at/utilizing pivots. Maybe a beginner's Marth pivot guide would be nice, but then again that doesn't sound productive for you to put effort into. Just my thoughts
Also, @Austin I wouldn't mind a mini pivot guide since I suck at/utilizing pivots. Maybe a beginner's Marth pivot guide would be nice, but then again that doesn't sound productive for you to put effort into. Just my thoughts
Elyssa Xey Hexen
Broken!
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You sort of answered your own question about how to stuff the shine attempts. You have the tools in the form of 2nd jump, air dodge, fair, sideB, , fast falling, drifting, and UpB. Pay attention to your opponent and respond accordingly.
Sometimes you have to give fox his space on the ledge. Ledge invincibility is something you cannot challenge, so you sometimes have to stay away from the general zones of getting hit. After invincibility is gone, then you have **** fox up.
Sometimes you have to give fox his space on the ledge. Ledge invincibility is something you cannot challenge, so you sometimes have to stay away from the general zones of getting hit. After invincibility is gone, then you have **** fox up.
don't be directly under the invincible fox
time your forward bs to protect you/stall out invincibility when low instead of just whenever you feel like it
time your forward bs to protect you/stall out invincibility when low instead of just whenever you feel like it