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His jab 1 is -5 on block in B+ btw...
Well, the human mind can comprehend 1 frame... but only in retrospect. You'll never be able to react "better" to a 2 frame move than you could to a 1 frame move.
No it doesn't. His first jab does what? 2 or 3 damage? That means it should only have 5-7 frames of shieldstun. Unless you know of a glitch that allows him to instantly cancel a jab upon hitting and start grabbing, then that's just plain BS. You should actually be able to shieldgrab him quite easily. Falcon is not too good right now. You just need to get better at fighting falcon.
rofl. Is this a joke?
He mains bowser dude... As a bowser second I would agree ... If not for my Link and samus wich **** falcon.
I think its pretty obvious from your old set, Kupo. that if you had your way Falcon would be able to shoot lightning out of his eyes, and fireballs out of his arse.
It's easy to say that as a Bowser main. Captain Falcon with his combo game + Bowser's heaviness and size = a really tough match-up for Bowser.
My Falcon+ is still subpar in comparison to Melee falcon. And if you really were using Bowser, that is like saying that O_O
i believe Shield grabs come out on frame 7. That -5 looks a little stupid to me.
Small and/or light chars are pretty much a better pick against any match up... but everyone probably knows that..
Fixed. What part of "-5 on block" did you not get? You can act 5 frames before he can even start the grab. Period.
>_> I wouldn't argue with Magus.
Do you know who you are talking too? You should just stop right now before you embarrass yourself more.
QFT.
You have stated that you can't shield grab and his jab to grab is inescapable. According to Magus however, you have 5 frames where you can react. From the frame data thread of Bowser,
kupo have you played the latest brawl+? they made falcon's knee huge. it links so easily now. he also feels a bit floatier.
I'm really sorry to hear that man. Though it may not mean much, depending on what you believe, I'll say it anyway. I'll say some prayers for you, your family, and your grandpa.
-5 advantage means that you act 5 frames before he finishes his lag. He then has to start the grab. So his grab actually doesn't come out until 12 frames AFTER you're OUT of shieldstun (just to put it in a more understandable scenerio, since "negative advantage" is hard for some people to get). If you start your grab right away, yours will always come out before his. What this means is that the reason you're not grabbing him is because you're grabbing too late (either you don't know the jab is coming and thus reacting to it and expecting to come out on top, or you're just drastically overestimating the shieldstun and waiting longer than you need to to grab). Up B can be started up to 12 frames after the shieldstun ends and still get him, just stop waiting to see the grab before trying it (you can't outspeed grabs on pure reaction, so stop trying that and punish his predictability instead <_<)
Having it come out on frame one may not improve my reaction time but when I shine something I expect to stop it immediately not to find my target somewhere else during hitlag. It messes with the kind of surgical precision the move used to be known for.
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First of all, I'm pretty sure people can react much faster than 6-7 frames. Example: Smash DI.I Am Plum said:
No it doesn't. Your opponent's not going anywhere in 1 frame. If you were gonna hit him with a 1 frame shine, you sure as hell will hit him with a 2 frame shine. I don't even know what you mean by finding the target somewhere else during hit lag.zxeon said:
rofl, its morning and im half asleep but i manage to get 12th place with an average of 202.8. Fastest being 178, slowest being 220
This is the most important part that people overlook. You don't even necessarily have to react to the jab in the first place, since it's extremely easy to just guess when he's going to do it, and press grab a couple frames after you THINK it will hit your shield.
Not saying that small chars are OP or anything but how would lowering everybodys hitstun help this? The small chars will have fewer combos and still be hard to combo, and the bigger chars will have fewer combos (dont know how much lower most can go on that) and still be combo bait....
That may be true, but with enough experience, it doesn't really matter. You come into certain situations and you know what to expect and your reaction to it just becomes muscle memory. That's why experienced players can still use correct survival DI even when they don't have enough time to "humanly" react to a KO move.
I was saying that it would seem like Falcon has the advantage if you react based on Falcon's next move. If you are waiting to see what Falcon (or really any character with options out of jab) does before you make a choice then Falcon will win. Note how I said that you have to react before you know Falcon's next move.
Actually you're right. Reaction time is not somewhere in the 6-7 frame range for most people. It's actually even higher, considering I used a 6-7 based off of a 30 fps rate. So actually it is DOUBLE that because Brawl uses a 60 fps rate.
