Brawl Information Compendium & Social

[teluoborg]

And still fed him ? I don't get your point...

 

[MEOW1337KITTEH]

Is it possible to stutter-step dsmash?

I think that's the right term, when tapping with analog and doing a smash immediately and sliding a little first.

 

[da K.I.D.]

You can but its complicated

 

[teluoborg]

I know you can pivot Dsmash.
Simply cancel a dash dance with a Dsmash (Cstick prefered), you'll Dsmash while facing the other way though.

If there's a way to do it without pivots I'd like to know.

 

[NickRiddle]

There isnt. It is dash forward, dash back, but a shorter distance, then true-pivot dsmash.

 

[Zankoku]

The ai in this game does learn and does cater toward the things the humans do on that particular wii.

But that doesnt mean you can gain anything from them in terms of learning how to be a high level tournament player

Wow, do people still believe this?

The AI in Brawl doesn't learn. Period. Replays of AI players have zero inputs recorded for the AI players. Given that, you'd expect desynchs all around the moment someone watches the replay on another Wii with completely different play "learned" on it, or even the same Wii in the future, but there are none. Therefore Brawl AI's only variability is in the random seed assigned to it, which is preserved in a replay.

 

[SoulPech]

Wow, do people still believe this?

The AI in Brawl doesn't learn. Period. Replays of AI players have zero inputs recorded for the AI players. Given that, you'd expect desynchs all around the moment someone watches the replay on another Wii with completely different play "learned" on it, or even the same Wii in the future, but there are none. Therefore Brawl AI's only variability is in the random seed assigned to it, which is preserved in a replay.

wait we're still discussing this?

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

That's what the AI wants you to think

 

[infiniteV115]

If I footstool an airbourne opponent during the non-invincible frames of their airdodge, do they get hard footstooled (I just made up that term, I mean the footstool where they actually get sent downward tumbling and stuff)?

What about during the cooldown of an aerial/special (ie they're still stuck in the animation but they don't have a hitbox out anymore). Does it vary, or is there some sort of general pattern?

 

[NickRiddle]

During any animations, you will just jump.

 

[infiniteV115]

La me.

 

[BSP]

Not lame. I hate footstools so much.

 

[teluoborg]

During any animations except jumping, rolling, walking and running right ?

 

[da K.I.D.]

take rolling out of that list.

 

[NickRiddle]

During any animations except jumping, rolling, walking and running right ?

And Squirtle using side-b.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Also don't forget falling/special fall. Those aren't the same as jumping

 

[Pikabunz]

You can also footstool during grab animations and landing lag.

 

[yoshi8984]

Footstooling kinda gets to me at times... At times when I want to try to footstool someone, I get footstooled instead and sometimes it registers me using my Double Jump so I can't recover >__>
On that note, does Peach tumble if she is footstooled while floating?

Anyways, I know this is a character specific question, but how exactly is Ness' (and I think Lucas' too?) Double Jump "unique" compared to everyone else's? I never really understood how. (Besides being able to DJC with specials lol)

 

[da K.I.D.]

i dont think peach stops floating if you footstool her.

as far as double jumping. i cant explain it right, so ill let someone who can do it better handle that one.

 

[infiniteV115]

The only different things I can tell from them are that they're higher than most DJs with a slower rising speed, as well as spending much more time at the apex of the jump)

And I think they move slightly downwards at the very beginning of the jump.

 

[Zankoku]

Yeah the "move downward at the beginning of twice jump" is an artifact of all Melee characters who could DJC (Peach, Yoshi, Ness, Mewtwo), and probably given to Lucas to emulate Ness' animation style. Other than that I don't see much different about it.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

The way the momentum works for the double jumps is weird. This results in momentum interrupting actions such as PK Fire causing Zap Jumping.

 

[Myollnir]

Hey guys, I've got a question!
What's the frame advantage for an air release? Is it the same for any character?
Thanks in advance.

Edit : nvm, someone else has already anwsered me. Everyone has a 50 frame animation when they get released (except jigglypuff = 49) right?

 

[infiniteV115]

Jigglypuff's air release is 1 frame shorter than most people (so I guess 49)
Ness&Lucas I think are 10 frames longer than most people (so I guess 60) on ground release

And Bowser (when releasing other characters) has 10 frames less lag (ie most people when they release others suffer I think 2030 frames of lag, Bowser suffers 1020 frames)

 

[Flayl]

Donkey Kong has 10 less frames of lag while being ground released

 

[Myollnir]

I don't think Ness and Lucas are 10 frames longer than other chars, but I would like to have someone confirm this. Also I think it's 30 for every char and 20 for Bowser.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Are Lucas and Ness only 10 frames longer on ground release? For some reason I thought so.

 

[Flayl]

Oh yeah I missed the part where you guys were talking about air releases only.

Ness and Lucas only have that 10 extra on the ground release

 

[infiniteV115]

Oops yeah I can't do math. Pretty sure it's 30 for every and 20 for Bowser.
Also what Flayl said. Though I'm fairly certain DK's air release is normal.

No we were talking about air releases and ground releases

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Does that mean Bowser can grab-release up-b DK?

 

[Flayl]

hitbox is out frame 6 so no

we have a rock paper scissors thing going on with klaw out of a ground release, if we win we get 18%

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Lame, wasn't sure how fast it was.

 

[NickRiddle]

If Bowser GRs DK, they're both even...

 

[teluoborg]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=209846
I swear I'm going to make a compendium one of thos days.

 

[Myollnir]

EXCEPT FOR SQUIRTLE who has a jiggly puff problem the producers of the game likely forgot a frame for he has a 29 frame recovery when holding his opponents....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is not true, everyone has a 29 frame recovery afaik.

 

[Tesh]

yea, its 29 for the grabber and 30 for the poor guy being released.

 

[infiniteV115]

So I'm looking at some ZSS frame data
I look at her usmash and see that some hitboxes are out on the same frame, some are listed as OC hitboxes while others are listed as AOC hitboxes.

What do OC and AOC mean? And SOC? (dsmash)

 

[allshort17]

So I'm looking at some ZSS frame data
I look at her usmash and see that some hitboxes are out on the same frame, some are listed as OC hitboxes while others are listed as AOC hitboxes.

What do OC and AOC mean? And SOC? (dsmash)

Can you explain to me how to read that frame data? Also, is there anywhere I can find trajectories on moves? I don't mind if they are character specific links.

 

[infiniteV115]

What exactly are you having trouble with...?

 

[allshort17]

Just the acronyms and the angles (5A?).