Brawl Information Compendium & Social

[C.J.]

What's the advantage in studying and knowing frame data?

I just want to know this before I get into it.

It doesn't do much unless you also know how to account for range, the arc of moves, etc.

However, fully understanding frame data and the above allows you to figure out your optimal punish for every move at every spacing. On the other side, if allows you to manage your risk/reward a lot better when you commit to an action because you'll know the opponent's best punish for each of your options at every spacing.

 

[SoulPech]

gosh CJ. Way to copy what everyone else has said in this thread xD

 

[-Crews-]

If one exists, can someone link me to a thread that displays the mechanics of each characters spot dodge? More specifically, a thread that perhaps displays the entire cast in order of best/fastest spot dodge to worst/laggiest spot dodge in a tier list type fashion? Would be much obliged.

 

[C.J.]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=258564

 

[infiniteV115]

More specifically, here
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=225510

Just click the giant button that says 'info' in the top right corner at the top of the page. Then Complete Frame Data Directory, then there's a link to this thread in the OP of the CFDD thread

 

[yoshi8984]

Question: how come when I use a "Jab Lock" type style move (certain Jabs, Lucas D-Tilt, ICs Ice Blocks, etc.) on an opponent that's lying on the ground, the opponent sometimes does a forced stand-up animation while other times they can control whether they roll, do a get-up attack or simply stand up?

 

[infiniteV115]

If you hit them too late after they've started lying on the ground, they're not forced into doing anything.

 

[yoshi8984]

Hm, that clears things up and explains why I don't get an F-Smash all the time lol

Is the timing to force your opponent to do a forced stand up animation the same for every move that can Jab Lock? Or does it vary for each move?

 

[rPSIvysaur]

It is the same, because it has to do with the animation the enemy is in

 

[Tony_]

I've been thinking of playing online competitively on account of me being the only local player.

The last time I played Brawl competitively was 2008, a few scant months after the game out. I think I quit in summer of 08, so I have missed out a lot game play wise.

Is the game still active online and if so is there a chat/thread I could post in for wifi?

 

[-LzR-]

You cannot use the words online and competitive together.
However there are still quite a lot of people hanging around AllisBrawl chats. You should go look there.

 

[SnowCold]

Could someone please link me the thread about the frame data of each character? I can't find it to save my life -.- you would think typing in "frame data" in the search would do something but nooo.

 

[infiniteV115]

More specifically, here
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=225510

Just click the giant button that says 'info' in the top right corner at the top of the page. Then Complete Frame Data Directory, then there's a link to this thread in the OP of the CFDD thread

I hope this helps.

 

[ぱみゅ]

So.... apparently we're going to be able to like posts, follow people, get notifications over replies and other bunch of stuff.....

This is going to be quite interesting....

 

[da K.I.D.]

All we'd need now is a solid wifi ladder program and thered no longer be a reason for all is brawl to exist.

 

[teluoborg]

Nah we'd need them cards too.

 

[Undodgeable Smash Attack]

Can I please get someone's input on my video? And before you ask no I don't main Ike. I'm just trying to get good with him.

 

[C.J.]

There's an Ike boards for that.

 

[BlueXenon]

Are all the characters able to change the direction they jump in while their in the air? I know MK and DDD can do it.

 

[infiniteV115]

No. Just characters with more than 2 jumps and Yoshi.
I'm pretty sure those are the only ones.

 

[BSP]

Does a B reverse or turnaround special count?

 

[BlueXenon]

Thankyou
10 characters

 

[Tesh]

As far as frame data, DDD has one of the worst spotdodges in the game. Are there any attacks that reach into the 3rd axis and exploit his large (but hidden) invulnerability?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Charizard's N-Air is one (the tail sweetspot). I don't know of many, but a list would be really cool to have.

 

[infiniteV115]

@Tesh
idk if you saw the metagame minute on DDD's spotdodge, but it showed that DDD's back foot is a bit exposed (ie less far into the z-axis than the rest of his body), so there probably are a lot of attacks.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Something weird happened to me last night in training mode... I (lol) dropped my controller after running my finger across the dpad, and Pit did his Game Spawn (whole thing) animation and the game crashed.

Has anyone ever heard of this? lol

 

[ぱみゅ]

Sounds pretty weird, did it have the flashes and everything?

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

SFX and all.

 

[infiniteV115]

Somebody please explain how the priority on tornado works. It's so confusing
I really don't understand how it works. I figured it had projectile priority because I know each hit does 1%, and it still clashes with ZSS' fresh bair (which does a minimum of 12%) so it shouldn't be clashing with that unless it has projectile priority.

But then some non-transcendent moves like DK ftilt and utilt, and ZSS sideB hit him right through it even though none of those are transcendent. I suppose it's possible that all the times I've seen DK ftilt/utilt MK out of nado, he was just hitting between the hitboxes (ie the tilt hitboxes not touching the nado hitboxes, so only MK's hurtbox is hit) but I know there's no way that's the case with ZSS' sideB. I've definitely used it from angles where it was in contact with nado's hitboxes and it still knocked MK out of nado.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

AFAIK it isn't transcendent. It is just (almost) completely disjointed, and because it is an article move, it just clanks everything out (and because it's a multi-hit move, MK usually instantly eats you). It takes something with a longer disjoint to beat.

Some moves go "through" tornado because the character's hitbox comes into contact with Meta Knight's hurtboxes before the opposite happens. This is true of many semi-disjointed moves like ZSS' uair, and the tilts you mentioned. For example, Ike can go through nado with almost every attack.

 

[infiniteV115]

Ike goes through nado cause all his aerials are transcendent -_- (article moves don't clash with moves that are transcendent, nothing clashes with moves that are transcendent)
I've never seen ZSS uair go through nado except from above (where his hurtbox is exposed)

I suppose it's possible that sideB just hits him between the nado hits but it seems to happen really really consistently...ie like 99% of the time...and for a move that generates a new hitbox every 4-6 frames this surprises me.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Well, side-b is active on the first frame there's a hitbox. How long are nado's hitboxes out, 1 frame? So that's a 4-6 frame window between each hitbox for side-b to work.

Also, an article can clank with anything, I think. Like, if you zss nair an ike fsmash I'm 99% sure it clanks. I guess I could be wrong but that was my (nebulous) understanding of it

 

[NickRiddle]

V115, it's because bair is an aerial.
Aerials are bad vs. Nado because they're aerials... That's the stupid reason.

SFP, ZSS's nair cannot clank with Ike's sword because his sword only interacts with hurtboxes. That's what trans. priority means.

 

[infiniteV115]

Article moves clank with anything with the exception of moves that are transcendent.
Nick, I don't understand how that works, but...okay

Wait so why do tilts work?

 

[NickRiddle]

Because tilts are not done in the air?

 

[infiniteV115]

THAT'S SO DUMB
I wonder if ZSS usmash/upB work (grounded)

 

[NickRiddle]

Grounded moves need to follow the % rule.

 

[Heartstring]

Unless they have transcendent priority, but that's a given.

so yeah, hi people

 

[newbie1]

Can someone give me the list of characters who can do the dacus item throw. I know that every character can do it but which is deemed viable. So far I know link, ike, ivy and wolf can do it. Thanks in advance.

 

[Heartstring]

you mean DACIT?
Everyone can DACIT, but I assume you want to know about who actually slides?
In this case:
Ike, Marth, Mario, Luigi, Diddy, Yoshi, Link, Zelda, Tlink, Falcon, MK, Fox, Falco, Wolf, Ivy, Lucas, G&W, Snake.
for indepth info: http://www.smashboards.com/threads/212159/