Brawl Information Compendium & Social

[teluoborg]

how many frames, on average, do you have to buffer moves, and how much does it vary by?

Like it's been said before you have 10 frames to buffer, only exceptions I know is when you're suffering hitstun/hitlag and while you're edghogging, where buffering is impossible.

More info here :
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=167109

 

[Sharky]

It doesn't matter in singles, the hitbox disappears for the player that fires it and the player that shields it. But I have seen it hit a 3rd person in doubles.

again, I refer to Yoshi's egg bouncing straight up off an opponent's shield and coming back down on them and hitting them.

 

[Tesh]

I thought eggs had 2 hitboxes. Then again, I can't think of any other non-item projectile that would come back down after a bounce. Doesn't shielding something negate the hitbox that you shield?

It would be nice to know how to cause that though.

 

[da K.I.D.]

ive seen gordos bounce off of peoples shield and then move through the stage very very slowly. but if never been bold enough to jump into it again to see if the hitbox was still on it, but i think i did see a video of a ddd vs a wolf, where the wolf shielded the gordo, and than the ddd threw him back into it and it killed him. so im pretty sure the hitboxes dont go away in those cases.

 

[Tesh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qZPaSoOZK0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOh4b-oAWRU
I remember the video you are referring to KID, but I can't find it. In these the hitbox is gone after its shielded.

 

[Yikarur]

it's a fighting game rule that a hitbox can only interact one time with the character :0

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I am not talking about projectiles that bounce off shields, I am talking about projectiles that actually deflect off from their normal trajectories.

Bombs, boomerangs, grenades, naners, etc. I all know they bounce off. But they do not deflect off at weird angles. I am talking about projectiles that typically disappear such as lasers, aura sphere, etc. I have gotten hit by an aura sphere in my shield and instead of it going away, it flys off at a 45 degree angle instead of parallel along the ground. I even once had wolf's blaster laser do the same thing.

 

[Tesh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XedL1xPmvak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDKXLC6AV9g
I think it actually IS bouncing off the inside of the shield.

 

[da K.I.D.]

ZSSs neutral B paralyser does that weird bounce trajectory thing too.

 

[da K.I.D.]

it's a fighting game rule that a hitbox can only interact one time with the character :0

this rule is broken in the case of a long lasting hitbox, and a character nearing the end of new stock invincibility.

 

[lordhelmet]

Got a quick question, I was wondering if anyone knew about Shield/Attack Foostooling. I've heard ZSS can do funny gimmicks with it but that's about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDuEjRWCoR8

Only tested with CF *shrug*

 

[teluoborg]

IMO it's more like a very specific hurtbox located around thehead of the character (larger than the real hurtbox) can be footstooled.
It doesn't matter if the opponent is shielding/attacking/dodging, as long as you hit jump when on the "footstool hurtbox" you get the extra jump.

I've got no scientific proof to back this up, just a feeling from experience.

Also I dunno if it's possible to footstool an invincible/edgehogging opponent.

 

[Tesh]

You can't footstool invincible people. You won't even get the jump.

 

[Pierce7d]

You can't footstool invincible people. You won't even get the jump.

Correct. Also, to clarify, it's the hitbox of Footstooling that is larger than it seems. There is no additional "larger hurtbox"

And you can footstool a person holding the ledge, just not while they're still invincible.

 

[AfroQT]

Correct. Also, to clarify, it's the hitbox of Footstooling that is larger than it seems. There is no additional "larger hurtbox"

And you can footstool a person holding the ledge, just not while they're still invincible.

Pierce to the rescue good stuff right there bro. With some G I Joe PSA THE MORE YOU KNOW thats what i wanna see man.

 

[Chsal]

Just something I was curious about, that doesn't really have practical use :

Is it possible to get hit by say, a jab (Or anything really) and SDI across the map to the other side? Assuming you can button mash at ridiculous speeds.

Or is there a maximum number of SDIs you can have per frame of hitstun?

 

[Luxor]

You can only get one input of SDI per frame of hitlag, so the distance you can move does have a limit. However, that doesn't mean the distance you warp isn't mindblowing. See CPU/Mr. Doom SDI.

 

[*Cam*]

I've noticed recently in my university's game room that a lot of lower level Brawl players tend to waste their second jumps. Has anyone started a thread about that before? I think it's important to be very careful to conserve jumps, and it is also important to realize how vulnerable someone is after they are out of jumps. Is there a thread that talks about this?

 

[Kitamerby]

I've noticed recently in my university's game room that a lot of lower level Brawl players tend to waste their second jumps. Has anyone started a thread about that before? I think it's important to be very careful to conserve jumps, and it is also important to realize how vulnerable someone is after they are out of jumps. Is there a thread that talks about this?

There's no need. Just use Meta Knight, King Dedede or anyone with a strong fair/bair/spike and smack them out of their jump if they waste it, or edgehog them, or use Lucas and laugh at them with PK Thunder, or use some sort of projectile to force them to airdodge, then edgehog them. There are countless ways to punish a person who wastes their second jump and make their life hell. Most involve gimping them because they're dumb.

I recommend using King Dedede, chaingrabbing them to the ledge, then immediately fsmash when you send them offstage with the last dthrow (not fthrow). It should work at least twice per person. If they try to attack back, mix up some shield grabs into more dthrows/fthrows. If they try to airdodge, just grab them as they land, or dsmash. If they decide to fall and wait (highly unlikely at low levels), run off and bair them away and proceed to edgeguard. MK works too (lol shuttle loop/dair/fair/nair/drillrush).

 

[*Cam*]

I guess I just expected there to be a thread that discusses when to use/not to use jumps.

 

[teluoborg]

It really doesn't need a thread.

Use your jump when you'd die of horizontal knockback otherwise (character specific, acquired by experience), or when it is required to avoid a gimp/edgehog attempt (matchup/situation specific).

Else don't use it.

 

[uhmuzing]

Do wall jumps "decay"?
I was playing on a custom stage and trying to stall the match by wall jumping against a roof and inbetween two blocks, but I died after a while because I started not being able to jump as quickly or as far or something.

EDIT: **** it, this was not what I wanted my 2000th post to be.

 

[Kofu]

It's just how many you do consecutively. If you landed after making them really small, you could wall jump just fine again.

 

[uhmuzing]

Alright, thanks.

 

[.AC.]

how many frames are in a second?

 

[Jane]

60 frames.

 

[jamesfoote]

I am caught in a bind. I'm semi-new to Brawl and I have been asking my brother (he's a much better player than I) for help. He says I have to learn the game. How do I do this? What steps do I take? Can someone describe to me how to get better at the game. As opposed to getting better with a character of course.

 

[Kofu]

First learn the basic techniques of high-tier play, and learn to do them consistently:
-Short hops
-Autocanceling aerials
-Pivot grabs
-Momentum canceling
-Ways of recovery for your character(s)
-B-reversals

Then learn some advanced techniques, like:
-Glide tossing
-Boost Up-Smash (DACUS)
-Platform canceling
-Other character-specific ATs

Then learn how to be as mobile as possible with your character. This includes fast-falling, running, walking, jumping, and rolling.

But above all, practice. Brawl is largely a mental game, where you need to consistently out-think and predict your opponent. This really only comes through practice, because you need to know both your character and the character of the foe.

 

[Jonas]

If your brother is much better than you, you're going to lose a lot when you play against him. Don't take this too hard. When you lose, think about why you lost and consider ways to avoid getting hit. This is the sort of mindset you need to have. Play to improve, not necessarily to win. It's really great if you can record matches somehow (maybe replays if your matches are short enough) so you can analyse the match.

 

[jamesfoote]

Thanks, I was just wondering how to get better, the advice is greatly appreciated.

 

[teluoborg]

Do as Kofu said, but between the basics and the ATs you must learn to play safe.

 

[Sharky]

which would be the basics

 

[Laem]

can you RAR(or pivot jump or w/e you call it) out of shield?

 

[Yikarur]

RAR is dash pivot jump cancel. You can't dash OoS so: no

 

[Chsal]

You can probably buffer a turnaround and jump for a "pivot jump". But no you can't RAR.

 

[teluoborg]

You can't turnaround out of shield, you have to shield drop.
So +7 frames.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Do you strike before or after knowing which character your opponent picked in a double blind?

 

[Yikarur]

first characters, then striking.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Direct me to the thread that indicates what most of these Brawl terms mean. So far have common ones down like "example: Fair instead of A+Right/Left or USmash instead of Cstick Up" (Atleast how I indicated them when I played melee years ago)"
Basically want to learn crap like "Sour Spot" "Sweet Spot" Wombo combo blah blah blah etc.
Just think I might as well brush up on this stuff since i'm learning MU's Best/worst stages are certain characters.

 

[Luxor]

There's a terms list in the stickies here in tactical, but it's old and was meh to start with. Just lurk, read, and pick up terms as you go along.