This is my first post in this thread, so my opinion will likely matter less then it should, but my opinion is one that needs to be voiced for the simple fact that it will bring me some sense of attempt to help with the issues that I find in Brawl+. Post Summery at the end of "------"
this buffs for nerfs business is totally stupid.
I agree with this statement. It may provide a character more options in combat, but it also lessens the effectiveness of other options which, in turn, lessens the effectiveness of a character because the nerfed attack/part of the character will remain the better option over the buffed. I'll use a few of my main and secondary characters found in my signature as examples.
Look back to Melee Falcon. While no professional or expert with Falcon, I have played around with him and found the things that work. I find myself using the N-Air, D-Air, Down-Throw, and Up-Throw to start a combo. I then use Aerial attacks to continue it. That combo either ends in me making a mistake or with a Knee, Up-Air, Up-B. Those moves are the ones that I show in a fight most often mainly because they are good. On occasion I use something like the 3 Tilts to give me some breathing room or disrupt my opponent. The same thing goes for the jab.
Buffing the Down-Tilt to act like a Down-Throw did and nerfing the Down-Throw to make it easier to DI against won't make me switch my tactics to using Down-Tilt just as often as the Down-Throw. Just because it may be the better combo starter doesn't mean it is the best option. After all, the difference in cool-down and start-up between the two is to great to ignore. The only way to make it better is to make as fast, if not faster, then the Down-Throw.
However, if combo-starting was an issue to begin with, why not buff the Down-Throw to be less DI-able? It'd save time and people wouldn't have to attempt to change play-styles to take advantage.
Please keep in mind that I am not referring to Melee as a concrete example of what Brawl+ should be. I am merely using Melee Falcon as an example because some of his combos are well known and are more likely to be recognised by non-Falcon players.
Summery
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What I'm trying to say that, for the sake of game balance, it is not necessarily the best option to provide buffs in some areas and nerfs in others in equal amounts. This effectively nullifies the buff and reinvents the problem. Sometimes, in fighting game balance, it is necessary to make a character better without touching the things that make the character good in the first place. Not all one-way streets that end in a Rainbow will have a pot of gold. It may contain nothing more then an empty pot to put fondue in.
The Main Point (
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Just because there is a move that is under- or never-used doesn't mean it should be made more useful at the cost of another move's usefulness. Chances are that it is underused because another move is the better option in most cases. Hell. Nerfing anything in an attempt to make a character better usually creates more problems then it solves. It could even dull the game down.
I hope to contribute to this thread quite a bit more for now on. Unfortunately, nearly all my posts here will be this long. Also, if that smash sign is yellow, you can rest assured that, if I don't post within 5 minutes of a response, that I am no longer at my computer and I simply left the window open.
I am also sorry if I derail the thread from it's current "Peach F-Throw" buff issue. So, my opinion on the matter:
She doesn't have many fast kill options, so this was a good addition. However, her Comboing Ability is very good and can become insane at the highest levels of play*. She also has very fast GTFO** moves and fast, great damage-rackers. But, when we consider that the F-Throw buff isn't over-the-top in terms of power, it can be seen that it makes her better without really hurting anything.
Due to her nature and the various play-styles that work well with her, she is naturally going to be good against some other characters. When the Brawl+ project is complete this will still be the issue. Eventually we will all have to face the fact that some characters will do better then others simply because of nature. The only way to change this is to change the nature of a character in question. That is never a good idea when it comes to game balance.
* I try to play at the highest level of play in any and all games. It's just what I like to do. If what I can do isn't considered to be the highest level of play then I must be close to the threshold of what is considered "the highest level of play." Of course, "the highest level of play" is subjective and varies from person to person, so your mileage may vary.
**If you can still Float-Cancel N-Airs then it can be a very good, very fast, and very effective defensive option. She also has the Down-Smash, Neutral-B, and even a random Up-B to aid in this.
Again, sorry for the long post. Thank you for your time.
