Balanced Brawl Public Preview *GENESIS UPDATE*

[deepseadiva]

wario's aerial friction should be nerfed in order to make him move around a little less than jiggs imo. jiggs is the quintessential aerial floaty character, it makes no sense wario is better at it.

That makes no sense.

 

[VietGeek]

wow shut up praxis LOL

You would try not to let Praxis do that.

Textures still work in this correct?

You have to add the code yourself.

The entire .txt is in the little code sub-box. C/P that and add the texture code to it. Make a .gct and there. BBrawl with textures.



I know this is a preview, but are you really not gonna fix stuff like Sheik/Toon Link's fsmash basically never connecting? Wolf's nair? Zelda's fsmash too easy to SDI out of? Just a few examples. Although the goals of this project make me think it's only gonna fix the most glaringly obvious flaws...<_<

 

[stingers]

That makes no sense.

...why? then he can't camp for farts the whole match. he doesn't need that much mobility in the air.

 

[lordhelmet]

Can't wait!

My only complaint is that the knee still isn't the strongest fair in the game!

>_>

 

[CRASHiC]

I disagree with some changes. Removing Wario's grab release makes him the best character in the game, because all his bad matchups (D3, Marth, Peach) are based on the grab release.

Also, G&W's bucket braking should be removed to balance him, IMO...otherwise, he's a lot better as his counters (MK and Snake) are nerfed.

But I really like the idea.

DDD vs Wario is not a bad matchup.
Also, what Wario gets grabbed?

 

[BIGM1994]

I dont get this, is this a hack? And is this gonna be the same thing as brawl just more balanced? i still think brawl + is better cuz it has new things and stuff added to it. btw does any1 know if you put brawl + to your wii does your brawl stay like that? or can you switch it to normal brawl?

 

[VietGeek]

I dont get this, is this a hack? And is this gonna be the same thing as brawl just more balanced? i still think brawl + is better cuz it has new things and stuff added to it. btw does any1 know if you put brawl + to your wii does your brawl stay like that? or can you switch it to normal brawl?

Both BBrawl (You would steal BlazBlue's acronym j/k lol) and Brawl+ are softmods. If you want vBrawl then just launch it from the disc channel as usual.

I kinda chuckled that both BlazBlue and Balanced Brawl came out on the same day to the states.

 

[FSLink]

You'll have to keep switching the GCTs.

Couldn't you also put them in different snapshots?

 

[Neb]

Also, G&W's bucket braking should be removed to balance him, IMO...otherwise, he's a lot better as his counters (MK and Snake) are nerfed.

But I really like the idea.

I disagree, G&W's bucket braking doesn't upset the game at all. Many other characters have similar momentum canceling techniques, so why should we single out Game & Watch when everyone would be benefiting from the two best characters being nerfed? If anything, he could use a buff (not necessary) as his metagame is stagnating. But removing bb'ing, one of his only AT's, would influence more than just the MK and Snake match-up.

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Still on the subject of G&W, I think reducing the cooldown on neutral-b could make his projectile more legit and add to his approach game. Its a very unique attack, and cutting off some of that lag could make for a safer way of pressure, and also set-up his moveset. I know that the project is against altering the timing of attacks, but its just an idea, and in many ways similar to the change in Luigi's fireball.

 

[AvoiD]

A friend of mine just tried it.

He said in Cheat Manager, none of the codes show which you can '+'.

And he said all his replays were deleted, even though he kept the Infinite Replays code.

. . ? That supposed to happen.

 

[deepseadiva]

...why? then he can't camp for farts the whole match. he doesn't need that much mobility in the air.

So we make him as "bad" as Jiggs because... because?

You're logic about making Wario's mobility match Jigg's does not make sense.

 

[VietGeek]

A friend of mine just tried it.

He said in Cheat Manager, none of the codes show which you can '+'.

And he said all his replays were deleted, even though he kept the Infinite Replays code.

. . ? That supposed to happen.

Try PC Code Manager...<_<

The Wii one doesn't read the *, but the PC one registers that as a code that is already checked-off as you load the .txt.

It's a minor formatting error on AA or whoever put it together's fault, but you can live with it lol.

 

[Mike Oxlong]

this will be the k-mart of brawl series

brawl plus will reel in the people who want a hacked brawl

cool ideas though

i read the ganon part and LAUGHED OUT LOUD YEAHHH

 

[Swordplay]

Couldn't you also put them in different snapshots?

That would sure be easy wouldn't it...........Theoretically I don't see why not but I don't think it has ever been tested.

Disclaimer: Don't hate me for all the times I say Brawl+ in this post. Please.

At first, I became worried that this project would steal Brawl+'s thunder. However, now, I'm beginning to see that the two mods could eventually coexist in a competitive environment. BBrawl and Brawl+ are NOT mutually exclusive. They both strive to balance Brawl, yet they go about it in different ways...Brawl+ seeks to reintroduce gameplay from the previous Smash games to create a competitive ideal, while BBrawl seeks a completely different ideal by balancing the characters within the general framework that was already present in Brawl.

Both projects are attempting to one-up Brawl, but in different ways. Were one project to be generally accepted, the other would undoubtedly receive a boon in popularity (as people unhappy with the accepted project would more than likely give the other a chance as well, disregarding trolls and flagrant vBrawl fanboys), and the only one to lose out would be the original Brawl.

BBrawl still has Brawl's gameplay in every way, except for changes to individual moves. There is no universal lag canceling, momentum, physics changes, or any of the other stuff that makes Brawl+ what Brawl+ is. B+, on the other hand, has evolved so much from its beginnings that it no longer resembles the original Brawl, except on the visual level (and even textures have started to change that). Having BOTH of these games (as they are unique games) be accepted would simply serve to ecplise Brawl and create a two-game competitive standard. Unfortunately, the chances of MLG picking up Brawl would change from...wait, nevermind that.

It is my opinion that BBrawl is too similar to the original to coexist with it. It will either be seen as better or worse than Brawl, but from what I've seen so far, it already is the former. An official endorsement for SSBBB would be the death knell for SSBB. This is where the jealously of the Brawl+ fans (i.e. 5ive, myself, etc.) comes in - since BBrawl addresses Brawl's main concerns in a more concise, true-to-the-original manner, one cannot reasonably expect Brawl+ to become THE competitive standard unless BBrawl tanks fast and hard. As such, we are initially biased against such a project, which we may see as simply riding on the coattails of B+ to eventually overtake it in popularity. What we don't see is that it is much easier for Brawl+ and BBrawl to coexist than it is for Brawl+ and vBrawl to (not to mention that I can't see any situation in which BB and vB could be used together in tournament to the exclusion of B+).

I think that I'm starting to ramble on, but we are making too big a deal out of this; BBrawl is not the end of the world for Brawl+, and though it may seem like there is a parasitic relationship between the two, they can only be mutually beneficial. A hacked Wii can play both games, can it not? They may not be played by the same people, but having two games that are better and more current than Brawl would make for a much better competitive scene than not having them.

/rantagainstigoranceandhatred

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Also, add in:
Unrestricted Pause Camera
Unrestricted Replay Camera
Unrestricted Button Mapping Editing
Unrestricted Colour Choice
Tags in replays???
(I’m fairly sure they’re all packaged as .b+ files with the latest iteration of the Tweaker)

Most intelligent post I've seen in a while.

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I won't go into B+ here but I will say I think it is a boon to the community to have this thread. It will encourage hacking in the end and the more people that hack, the better it is for both our communities.

However, if this becomes huge like B+, we'll be competing for space on the forum. Thus, we may eventually need another subform to deal with this. One for B+ character discussion and one for BB character discussion. In all honesty, The last thing I want is for BB to invade the B+ character discussion forum and threads.

I hope you have put lots of thought into how that will turn out because I haven't yet......(it's all so new to me).

 

[VietGeek]

That would sure be easy wouldn't it...........Theoretically I don't see why not but I don't think it has ever been tested.

You can. It's just that if you load one snapshot then if you want to swap you need to reboot.

But it certainly is possible. I did it before...

long ago...

when I liked to grab release Wario into various things using my sword.

THANKS BBRAWL FOR MAKING WARIO TEH BEST NAO.

 

[AvoiD]

What's PC Code Manager lul?

<.< If I tried it, I'd still have all replays right?

He said he reuploaded Brawl+ to the SD Card, and everything was back to normal.

 

[Mr.-0]

Brawl+ and BBrawl... hmmmm.... I wonder which one's better

 

[Rykoshet]

My only concern right now is the water mechanic. Due to its nature it forces people to jump into the **** unnecessarily in an attempt to just not drown after like mid percents and at higher %'s all it takes is one conservative recovery to kiss your stock goodbye. Otherwise I'm thoroughly enjoying testing through this, ike is so good off stage.

 

[MK26]

Well...i kinda assumed tags in replays was in there already...its kinda a no-brainer
but then again, file replacement isnt there either
a custom css would be nice, but is completely unnecessary

EDIT: and i was going to post some stuff about the stages, but my only complaint is the water...once you hit 90%, you suddenly have a super-high blastzone to deal with...especially as a tether character that can swing into the water and die...
and what's wrong with teh 5 neutrals we already have?

edit2: logic would say that loading a code snapshot adds to teh codes that are already present...after all, textures dont get removed when one loads up B+ through snapshots

 

[VietGeek]

What's PC Code Manager lul?

<.< If I tried it, I'd still have all replays right?

He said he reuploaded Brawl+ to the SD Card, and everything was back to normal.

Find it on: "WiiRd blog"

And as long as you don't **** up...I don't see how anything bad could happen lol.

 

[Rykoshet]

Also MK26, I'm glad you posted such a well rounded and fair statement. I'm not a big fan of plus and regular brawl has kinda worn on me, but I must say this has been a breath of fresh air.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUD0teI3E0E

I'll be uploading random matches as I test out the QD mechanic on ike. As of now it is FAR from overpowered, but it does make ike easily 5 or 6 places higher.

 

[T F S]

Warios grab pummle makes coins come out? cool lol

 

[goodoldganon]

Warios grab pummle makes coins come out? cool lol

Oh ****, why didn't Brawl+ think of that. I'm jealous

EDIT:

Playing this reminds me of a lot of the stuff I hated in original Brawl, but none the less, this version is 1000x times better then the original. Ganondorf still is meh, but at least not god awful. Good stuff and hopefully the two games can exist together.

 

[Turbo Ether]

The new Spear Pillar is like Fountain of Dreams on crack. The stage is playable as long as you select the Dialga version.

 

[Zig-Zag!]

Hey guys, anybody wanna talk about Brawl+ in here?

 

[stingers]

spear pillar still isn't really fit as a playable stage...the reversed controls are ******** and if part of the stage cracks when you're standing on it, you basically fall to your death. if you could freeze it...it'd be good. but you guys don't want to do that, so really...

 

[Praxis]

I want to repeat this, much to Fiction's dismay:

I disagree with some changes. Removing Wario's grab release makes him the best character in the game, because all his bad matchups (D3, Marth, Peach) are based on the grab release.

If you remove the grab release and gimp Metaknight, Wario has no bad matchups and is the best character in the game by a very wide margin.

 

[T F S]

You guys should add the infinite replay and camera hack to the codeset just as a convenience

 

[deepseadiva]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUD0teI3E0E

I'll be uploading random matches as I test out the QD mechanic on ike. As of now it is FAR from overpowered, but it does make ike easily 5 or 6 places higher.

That looks crazy and fun. Wow.

Time to main Ike.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Hey guys, anybody wanna talk about Brawl+ in here?

No.

spear pillar still isn't really fit as a playable stage...the reversed controls are ******** and if part of the stage cracks when you're standing on it, you basically fall to your death. if you could freeze it...it'd be good. but you guys don't want to do that, so really...

They set it so you can pick the version, and if I remember correctly, Dialga doesn't crack.

 

[Anth0ny]

I want to repeat this, much to Fiction's dismay:



If you remove the grab release and gimp Metaknight, Wario has no bad matchups and is the best character in the game by a very wide margin.

I agree. With the grab releases gone, you need to do a bit more to Wario than simply change the amount of damage his fsmash and upair does.

 

[Flamingo]

Hey guys, anybody wanna talk about Brawl+ in here?

Yes, Brawl+ is a better game than this

Spoiler

crap

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[Steeler]

dialga cracks the ground, but palkia reverses the controls.

you could always pick cresselia and deal with port town aero dive cars getting shot at you. LOL.

 

[OK'Ssuka?]

If you remove the grab release and gimp Metaknight, Wario has no bad matchups and is the best character in the game by a very wide margin.

Wait, from what I have read in the OP, they really didn't touch MK's Recovery aspect. Would you be so kind as to clarify what you meant by the bolded part of the quote?

Also good luck with this project. While I currently have a preference to that other big modded Brawl project, I wouldn't mind seeing how this develops and grows.

 

[VietGeek]

you could always pick cresselia and deal with port town aero dive cars getting shot at you. LOL.

We need to make combo videos with this thing.

I'm serious by the way.

Techno music and all.

 

[Poltergust]

W-wow... I'm shocked about this. O_O

Uh... you said you removed grab-release chain-grabs. How so? Did you reduce the amount of grab-release frames? Can I still chain-grab with Yoshi?

Also, I'll go ahead and try this out now (even if I can only play against computers for now).

 

[CR4SH]

I'm SUPER interested in this. Maybe I'll read the comments on this thread and respond later.

I just watched quick draw ike and I love it. Anyone have a video of luigi's new stuff?

 

[Stealth Raptor]

yeah the spear pillar cracking was VERY annoying, i died twice to it last saturday >.> i honestly think that it is a bit too random. it was with dialga as well. also to those people who still read the list and comment on it, PLAY THE GAME! the changes look far less then they really are

 

[bigman40]

W-wow... I'm shocked about this. O_O

Uh... you said you removed grab-release chain-grabs. How so? Did you reduce the amount of grab-release frames? Can I still chain-grab with Yoshi?

Also, I'll go ahead and try this out now (even if I can only play against computers for now).

You won't be able to chaingrab with Yoshi anymore, and you can't follow up with and grab releases. This makes his grab game worse than it was before.

 

[Falconv1.0]

It is impossible to say people wont have to relearn anything.

That's really all I can say. >_>