Australian Brawl Skills

[Jei Jei]

I think, Ted, what you need to focus on is how youre going to supply me with more buffalo sauce. You ruined chicken for me, you prick.

 

[tedeth]

Dude hit up USA foods or O'Canada.

I bought like 7 bottles a couple of months ago.

 

[zApollo]

That's a fair call, I just don't want anybody to take offense to anything I say just because there 'might' be a legitimate reason for you to not be on the panel. It would be agreeable that you're a suitable yadda yadda for SA's scene, and they have the right to voice their opinion, but how much weight does their opinion hold when as a state they're behind the rest of the nation? Granted, SA has improved and is a lot better than what we were lead to believe, (despite reloadeds placements, but to be fair, super hard tournament) but is that enough for you to think that your knowledge about the other states is enough? I'm not saying it's not, I'm just asking. This isn't about anything as silly as NSW vs Vic or anything like that, but rather about the competency of the panel, which again, I'm not saying you're not, just putting my thoughts out there so that the panel is at least trusted.

The "so and so's" thing was kind of pointless though imo. It doesn't matter how varied the panel is from different states in the context you just said that in. It's always only going to be a few peoples opinions, but for a national ranking, you want them to be trusted opinions, so on the other side there's no bull****.

However you do make a good point that I can accept, a NSW and Vic only panel has so much potential for bias. So I kind of see it as a toss up of risks. Do we take the chance of player bias (which I don't think something on this 'scale' if you will is at risk of) or do we take the chance that a player might not be fully in touch with scene? Again, just questions to think about.

I will say again though, that the point of including other states is large enough to probably not really need anything else to be said. (your call though, this is a friendly discussion right?) And at least with outside input there's less chance of a deadlock between NSW and Vic panelists.

Thanks for taking the time to consider my point. The best we can do is to try remove potential bias.

 

[swordsaint]

you're right, and having responsible 'outside' (not Nsw/vic players) is the best way to do that, assuming they are well informed.

I can accept this anyway. I'm convinced.

 

[Splice]

At this point no one from VIC has expressed any will to be on the Aus PR panel.

I am still willing to go on if absolutely no-one else from VIC decides they would like to partake. Obviously still heaps of time.

 

[Rianogard]

If you have attended many OoS tournaments and since Vic PR'ed 1, 2 and 3 do not wish to be panellists, then I don't see why you should not be on the panel.

 

[Splice]

Actually im really not interested at all.
looks like there will be no VIC panelist.

 

[Shaya]

I hate to be a sour grape here, but I think (and have thought since I saw this) that the idea was terrible.

Plain and simple.

 

[luke_atyeo]

haha so did I but I wanted to be on the panel anyways, would have been lols

 

[Splice]

Actually, I think given the right circumstances, this would inspire a slightly higher level of competition.
It is not a terrible idea.

However most of the scene is tired and worn and I really think there is no point anymore, since no-one really cares enough to be inspired but just enough to complain about things.

I know for instance that the VIC PR to some small extent gives some competitive drive to at least some of the following: Earl, Jei, Dean, Toshiba, Nicks (when he was here).
So it's worth it, and especially since it's a VIC PR not an AUS PR it's easier and takes less time and is easier to get right.

I don't KNOW about everyone, but I'm pretty sure that Jaice and Earl are probably the only people who are going to be on the AUS PR and will have a drive to climb higher upon it. In any case, I don't think it'll be worth it because I think the majority either:
A) would rather complain than improve convincingly to change their position
B) Don't care enough to do better to change their position

Personally I don't want to be on the panel anymore because I don't care about how good anyone is and I don't care about the game anymore either. I still intend to do well at BaM2K11 though.

Anyway, this probably would have worked in 2009.
Of course, it still can. If you guys still want to do it, go ahead!

 

[Shaya]

I don't think it would have worked in 2009.

 

[Remastered]

I was interested in it so I had something to aim for after fighting my way to the top of the QLD PR. (Or atleast behind Jaice lol). Once I make top 10, then I start aiming for top 5, and then 1. Chain of events for motivation to practice.

 

[Attila_]

Aiming for second isn't good enough.

 

[SethT]

sucks to be the outlier, the SA scene is nice and inspired right now, getting new blood every other week :x

as a result SA top 5 BaM2k11 <3

 

[xXArrowXx]

if i am looking for a easy troll one day... i might troll this "list"

 

[Dekar289]

melbourne is inspired too
for the good game
note how the good game prs thrive

 

[Remastered]

Too many big egos in brawl, that's all

 

[Splice]

too many egos in brawl? That doesn't even really have any relevance.

Ad3pt if you need motivation to get better at this game yourself then beat Jaice.
You aren't even going to be on the AUS PR if it's top 10 and if you wanna aim for top 5 and then top 1 on the PR you should probs aim for #1 in QLD first. If you really need a goal, beat your brother.

 

[luke_atyeo]

the real problem, is that australia just cannot embrace a competative mindset, that was probably the biggest thing we took out of our trip to america way back when.

you watch, it just wont happen.

 

[Splice]

I dont think it has a lot to do with your trip to America for most people but w/e

Australia hasn't embraced a mindset of learning and improving competitively as a whole though.
Some people have though, and those people appear to drive their scene somewhat, like Earl for example.
Maybe Tedeth.
Jaice and Ad3pt in QLD too.
it appears to me like that, anyway.

 

[Shaya]

Australia hasn't embraced a mindset of learning and improving competitively as a whole though.
Some people have though,

and I'm not mentioned? my ego is severely butt hurt right now.

 

[Dekar289]

the most active scene in the country has one tournament a month
nuff said

 

[Shaya]

Australia has always been a one tournament a month thing, for the most part.

I used to sometimes run tournaments one week after the other, sometimes a fortnight, three weeks after, etc.

I don't think any other scene had that level of activity :o

 

[Jei Jei]

Yeah When Cao and I were running tournaments side by side we weren't that active.
We only had turnouts of 40 - 50 people per tournament bi-monthly. Not at all active.

 

[Invisi]

Speaking of one tournament a month, have there even been any in Syd since ACL?
I'd be itching to get more into the brawl scene, and I'm sure the friends I went to ACL with feel the same.

 

[EverAlert]

Ted's still looking at venues... apparently they're all ridicu-expensive.

@Shaya - That is a little misleading... there were like one or two weeklies, and very inconsistently biweeklies/triweeklies... most of the time was monthly. I'm not saying we weren't active, 'cause we were, but we certainly were not the most active state on any consistent basis. We thrived on a superior competitive attitude more than anything else.

 

[Splice]

There's your problem. You survived on a superior competitive attitude.

Victoria thrives on good times and good people.
That's why we aren't dead
The brawl scene may or may not also be feeding off the Melee scene and it's stigma.

Also if weekly meets count for activity (which in my opinion they should) then even this year Victoria has managed to pull out consecutive weekend smash activities quite frequently.

To me it seems like SA and QLD are getting a bit more competitively active at the moment, kind of like how NSW and VIC were getting competitively active shortly after the games release. Probably coz QLD and SA players are only as good now, as NSW and VIC players were when the game was released.

But seriously I hope SA and QLD start to thrive on something now.

 

[MTGod]

Brawl in Australia won't get competitive without regular and/or massive funding/sponsorship/pot injections. It's really the only correlation i see constantly. It's also why Perth gaming is so chilled and CBF :D

Chilled and CBF can also be pronounced "dead" in certain dialects.

 

[Splice]

That correlation is pretty consistent.

Reloaded was quite hype and respectable, because big pot and sponsorship draws in the players that make the tournament of a high calibre in skill and respectability as a Major.

 

[EverAlert]

Also if weekly meets count for activity (which in my opinion they should) then even this year Victoria has managed to pull out consecutive weekend smash activities quite frequently.

If we're counting meets, then western sydney (dunno about east, lol) have been doing better than weekly for at least two years, sometimes (but not consistently, usually during hols or something) twice a week and occasionally thrice a week, yet competitively we've still more or less died. Don't underestimate the power of tournaments, or rather, the difference between tournaments and meets.

I believe a healthy competitive attitude is required for a progressing scene, I wouldn't see that as a bad thing at all. However, I agree that it isn't the only thing needed to keep players interested in a game.

 

[Jei Jei]

Whatever the case, along with redacts house meets, more brawl meets have been requested so we'll be aiming toward a monthly thing.
If we can pull that off, include redacts melee metres and monthly brawl + melee tournaments I would say thats pretty dayum active.

Now to work on how we gonna do these brawl meets...

 

[Attila_]

I dont think it has a lot to do with your trip to America for most people but w/e

Australia hasn't embraced a mindset of learning and improving competitively as a whole though.
Some people have though, and those people appear to drive their scene somewhat, like Earl for example.
Maybe Tedeth.
Jaice and Ad3pt in QLD too.
it appears to me like that, anyway.

Australia hasn't embraced a mindset of learning and improving competitively as a whole though.
Some people have though,

and I'm not mentioned? my ego is severely butt hurt right now.

you quit for ages.

and got a lot worse.

like, losing to toon link worse.

not like some of us :D

 

[Shaya]

I was pretty much the most enthusiastic brawl learner ever.

And reloaded never happened. Its a lot easier to pretend I stayed home on saturday and slept in.

 

[dean.]

Whatever the case, along with redacts house meets, more brawl meets have been requested so we'll be aiming toward a monthly thing.
If we can pull that off, include redacts melee metres and monthly brawl + melee tournaments I would say thats pretty dayum active.

Now to work on how we gonna do these brawl meets...

Jei did you see my post on MMGN?

You should go read it and respond to me

 

[Jei Jei]

I dont wanna! Boooo

 

[Remastered]

Jaice and I came later to the QLD scene, which is why I think we are pushing it really hard now. Reloaded being our first oos major was a good incentive to keep playing and improving heaps.

Running our monthly brawl only tournies has really upped the anti in terms of brawl skills up here. Still not as good as we need to be, but definitely a step ahead of where we were at a year ago.

 

[dean.]

I dont wanna! Boooo

You don't wanna read it or you don't wanna Smash this weekend?
You don't wanna Smash this weekend!?

 

[...Ellipsis...]

dunno about east, lol.

We've had meets like every ****ing day for the past ever, we just don't play smash. Sometimes JP comes and then a little smash is played.

 

[EverAlert]

so basically, you're saying that you don't have smash meets ever?

 

[Shaya]

half the time toby isn't there, so its more like yaoi time with liam and andrew as they watch yuri yuri.
Anyway, if this thread has reached its end, I'll close it.

Any final remarks?