Australian Brawl Skills

[swordsaint]

im against splice and apollo.

 

[Jei Jei]

I wouldnt mind being a panelist. But obviously too many from VIC isnt smart.

 

[Splice]

If Attila is panelist, you probably shouldnt have me, too many from VIC.

If A' agrees to be panelist, then have him and dw bout me.
He can definitely analyse players abilities to adapt and find ways to beat tough opponents and have smart play
better than i can
Which is all i can really bring to table.

Ted, Attila, Apollo, QLD representative?

That would be sufficient. But I'm not sure if anyone from SA would be on the PR which would make it hard to think why you would have him.
Perhaps Shaya because then you can use the powers of E-LO or whatever its called.

 

[Remastered]

If you guys are happy, I would be willing to put me Jesmo or Jaice up for the job. We are really the only players who have any idea of play outside QLD.

Keeping it at 4 panelist sounds good too.

 

[Rianogard]

I will be the other panellist, but again, should wait after the next two majors are completed before this list is done.

Dekar, I accept, although I don't know if I can contend with your brilliance. You use Ganondorf to make it fair.

 

[luke_atyeo]

:'(

no love for act

 

[swordsaint]

It's because you're not....



Marking you're territory.

*puts on sunnies*

 

[luke_atyeo]

4/10, had potential, but wasnt quite there


also panels work better with odd numbers to prevent deadlocks from occuring.

 

[Silfa]

can I represent ACT?

I nominate luke for worst player in country.

 

[Redact]

also panels work better with odd numbers to prevent deadlocks from occuring.

I never thought about something so simple as that, but i 110% agree

now only if you played melee and were good luke, then you would be 2/2 for dream man

 

[Splice]

I always thought odd number and even both had their merits.

Even normally means people need to really discuss the matters thoroughly to create an end product everyone is content with. This can be hindered by stubborn personalities and what not, but even so it can still work very well.

In this case the decisions being made are probably going to be tough, so the deadlock will be harder to work through. You may find an Odd number to be easier.

 

[zApollo]

I believe having a representative from as many different active scenes as possible will increase the legitimacy of the discussion. If you doubt my experience, I have already attended 3 majors this year and travelled to OoS competitions frequently in the last year.

Splice should be the top VIC representative, I find that he is very capable in judging and recognising skill/merits and would thus be suitable for the job.

 

[Jei Jei]

Splice should be the top VIC representative, I find that he is very capable in judging and recognising skill/merits and would thus be suitable for the job.

Uhhh no.
Sorry to Splice, I love him and he's as smart as hell but his judgment is way off and (with newly aquired evidence) he lets his feelings get in the way.
Experience shows me when someone disagrees with him he sometimes doesn't accept it and then resorts to personal attacks.
Not to mention he had been to one oos tourney? I think?

I'm sorry >_< I know hes going to hate me after this post.

 

[Splice]

I dont hate you, i just dont know what you are referring to.
I think you were saying something similair in the VIC PR panel, I'm not sure what is the cause of me coming of like this; id appreciate it if you could elaborate.

I have a hunch (mainly from the newly required evidence part) that it is because
1. I put in some reasons why I may or not be above Earl on VIC PR
2. You guys decided Earl was still above
3. I expected this and agreed with this BUT THEN
4. I thought about how I have never actually had an "hour of power" like any of the people above me on the PR so it made me stop having that goal to keep up with them. And I basically ranted on this, I don't know if you thought I was complaining or not.

In any case, tell me more Jei!

 

[dean.]

D3 is very much not in Pit's favour. And if I was truly trying my best I would be timing you out in that match.
Dont get me wrong, youre not bad but I wouldnt take a D3 on head to head like in our match. Ask Dean.

Hi, first time seeing this thread.
Jei seems to have learned how to fight Dedede. Poor Dean.
Most people say Dededeit is even without a ledgegrab limit. Just... stay on the ledge.

If you were to have a Victorian panelist I'd throw my weight behind Jei as well. He's been to every Vic tournament ever, he travels frequently to majors, he's been in the Brawl scene the longest iirc (might've joined the same time as like Dekar or someone I don't care) and he is very measured with his posts. He's so wise.

Splice would be a good second choice. I'm on the Vic PR panel as well but don't pick me, I'm bad and stupid and don't travel.
If Attila expresses no desire to be a Vic PR panelist I'd be very suprised if he wanted to be a panelist for this.

 

[Splice]

It makes sense that the people who are on the Vic PR Panel would all be likely candidates for the Australian Panel, doesn't it haha

Dean, you are totally legit, not bad or stupid. You don't travel though... but neither do I. idk if Jei does either but he went to TPoO i guess. Always so harsh on yourself

Still, Attila would have my vote if only he wanted to be on the panel. He's definitely far more qualified than us, the only reason he isn't on VIC panel is coz he doesn't want to be. I can still imagine the possibility he might wanna do this though.

Any confirmed panelists yet?
Jaice and Tedeth confirmed? you want 3 more yeah?

 

[Attila_]

i've decided to decline the offer.

 

[Splice]

aww mang, so tight

 

[Remastered]

Jaice confirmed, Tedeth has shown interest, Apollo confirmed. I need one from Vic and it should be a good legitimate panel. Attila was my original choice, but now it seems we need to find someone else.

Any suggestions Ted, Jaice? I know Apollo thinks Splice might be good.

 

[Zxv]

Lol @ me reading first page and forgetting to read the rest of the discussion.

 

[Redact]

I nominate myself for VIC rep

 

[swordsaint]

I would nominate jei personally.

i agree with what he said above anyway, I don't trust his judgement.

 

[Splice]

Should go for Jei over me since it's apparent people are more likely to question the legitimacy of the PR if I'm in it, because my judgement is not to be trusted, so it'll only make it harder to satisfy the public.

Tedeth, Jaice, Apollo, Jei

Done. Make a User Group or whatever and get started.

 

[Jei Jei]

Woah despite including myself into this conversation about panelists I never said that I want to be one.
Is there absolutely no other volunteer from VIC that can take this responsibility?

 

[swordsaint]

I'm more than likely going to be negative about it anyway, that's what I do. I personally don't see the need for Apollo/Jaice, seeing as their states (minus themselves) are 100% unlikely to break the top ten soon, and the only people from their states they can talk about are themselves, which either leads to people overrating themselves deliberately, or unintentionally underrating themselves while trying to be fair.

Include the fact that, moreso in the case of Jaice, their interstate experience is rare. (Once or twice in Jaices case) How can we trust what little experience he has with our players as enough to make fair and informed judgements?

What about Apollo? I have much less to say about Apollo's ability to judge, as I don't really know, nor do I know in the case of Jaice. (dw jaice I think you're a top bloke but I'm unsure of whether your experience is reliable as of yet) He's been interstate more than Jaice, but his opinion on the panel is going to be almost entirely about people he doesn't play on a regular basis.

Right now, I feel like the panelists should only be from NSW/Victoria based on the fact that at least 8 out of 10 players are from those states.

I dunno, I'm likely to be negative anyway, but those are my current thoughts. Apollo/Jaice, shouldn't take offense.

 

[Remastered]

Apollo has been oos on numerous occasions, (3 times this year alone) and has one of the best brawl minds I have seen play the game.

Jaice is probably the least experience of the panelists, but he also has played the majority of top players in brawl. He didn't come 7th at Tpoo and 2nd at reloaded because he doesn't know what he is doing.

As for the anyone outside of Jaice/Apollo in their states not breaking the top 10. I can see Jesmo being very close, if not in the top 10, and I'm sure Ted can attest to this too. After I get a bit more experience under me I don't think I will be too far off, but for now I'm no where near contention for a place.

If we have everyone from the same state, we are unintentionally creating a bias opinion, as now the consideration is focused on only 2 states instead of all of them.

If Jei is happy to be a panelist, I am very happy with the list Splice created above.

 

[Dekar289]

what swordsaint said

 

[Splice]

Scott you make a good point, but from talking to Jaice I think his perspective would be insightful.
He could definitely contribute with knowledge of the people he played at Reloaded, and maybe TPoO
SO his thoughts could be voiced, which would be a helpful contribution/perspective in any case.
Even if Jaice had to discuss himself at some point (being the only player from QLD to discuss and he is the only QLD panelist), he doesn't get the final verdict and it's really up to the rest of the panel to make the call, so there shouldn't be bias.

If Jei doesn't want to be VIC panelist, what about Dean? Don't get Tibs coz he's always too busy lol, wont work. Also get Shaya in on this maybe

 

[Dekar289]

tibs obvs no, doesn't go to monthlies in his own state lol
dean doesn't go interstate, and nobody around his level would be on the pr (even though he's a genius)

if attila and ted are staples, do you really need anyone else? earl?

discuss!

 

[Splice]

attila has refused to be a panelist dekar

and earl would refuse too
and if earl wanted to be a panelist
well that'd be interesting to see

 

[Dekar289]

what the **** attila's a homo

 

[Splice]

yeh ruining everything

 

[zApollo]

Even if all the speculations for my incompetence were to be true, I would still hold a legitimate claim for being a panelist. It would be agreeable that I am a suitable and active representative for SA's scene, and SA has just as much right to voice their opinion as any other state within a debate for a national rankings list.

If Jaice and I were to be excluded from the panel, thus excluding QLD and SA from the discussion, it would not be a legitimate national ranking. It would instead be a NSW/VIC's or "so and so's" opinion on who should or shouldn't be listed. We don't need that sort of rivalry anyway, since everyone knows VIC is better.

 

[Attila_]

i would like to avoid becoming the target of rage because people think they're better than they actually are.

its too troublesome.

 

[Splice]

Hopefully there wont be any rage lol

I cant see a panel of Attila Tedeth Jaice Apollo having much rage in it at all

 

[Attila_]

more so the rage the comes from the community upon releasing a list. espc with myself somewhere up the top.

too troublesome.

 

[Jei Jei]

What attila said. I'm reluctant to accept that burden of the community raging at the final decision.

 

[swordsaint]

Even if all the speculations for my incompetence were to be true, I would still hold a legitimate claim for being a panelist. It would be agreeable that I am a suitable and active representative for SA's scene, and SA has just as much right to voice their opinion as any other state within a debate for a national rankings list.

If Jaice and I were to be excluded from the panel, thus excluding QLD and SA from the discussion, it would not be a legitimate national ranking. It would instead be a NSW/VIC's or "so and so's" opinion on who should or shouldn't be listed. We don't need that sort of rivalry anyway, since everyone knows VIC is better.

That's a fair call, I just don't want anybody to take offense to anything I say just because there 'might' be a legitimate reason for you to not be on the panel. It would be agreeable that you're a suitable yadda yadda for SA's scene, and they have the right to voice their opinion, but how much weight does their opinion hold when as a state they're behind the rest of the nation? Granted, SA has improved and is a lot better than what we were lead to believe, (despite reloadeds placements, but to be fair, super hard tournament) but is that enough for you to think that your knowledge about the other states is enough? I'm not saying it's not, I'm just asking. This isn't about anything as silly as NSW vs Vic or anything like that, but rather about the competency of the panel, which again, I'm not saying you're not, just putting my thoughts out there so that the panel is at least trusted.

The "so and so's" thing was kind of pointless though imo. It doesn't matter how varied the panel is from different states in the context you just said that in. It's always only going to be a few peoples opinions, but for a national ranking, you want them to be trusted opinions, so on the other side there's no bull****.

However you do make a good point that I can accept, a NSW and Vic only panel has so much potential for bias. So I kind of see it as a toss up of risks. Do we take the chance of player bias (which I don't think something on this 'scale' if you will is at risk of) or do we take the chance that a player might not be fully in touch with scene? Again, just questions to think about.

I will say again though, that the point of including other states is large enough to probably not really need anything else to be said. (your call though, this is a friendly discussion right?) And at least with outside input there's less chance of a deadlock between NSW and Vic panelists.

 

[Remastered]

Tbh a' I don't think anyone in their right mind would question yours and Ted's ability on this panel, nor your final outcome. This will be done in tiers, so no single person can really complain about not being higher or lower than someone else in that given tier. (Even do it by game tag in alphabetical order, problem solved)

Jaice & Apollo need to be included, if only to seperate the VIC & NSW reps. Even if it just means that there is a panel of 3 and you only have one of them, there needs to be an outside perspective.

In terms of knowledge of the game and skill in Australia, I don't think there is anyone who would come close to Ted, just because of his long standing representation at the top level of play. Now with Attila consistently beating everyone basically, I'm sure his knowledge and understanding of Aus skill is as high as anyone can get really. Then just add in 1 or 2 reps from a different state, which then begs the question, who would be better from a state outside of VIC or NSW then Jaice or Apollo?

In the end, the discussion that would result from this would be no different to general disagreements on gameplay etc in aus that normally erupt in regular threads. That being said Attila, would you mind reconsidering, as I don't think there would be anyone better for the job.

 

[tedeth]

i would like to avoid becoming the target of rage because people think they're better than they actually are.

its too troublesome.

I think alot of people can relate to this.

I know I can.

This list is going to cause a hilarious amount of arguments.