J4pu
Smash Champion
horizontal you want the one that ends fastest, our frame data thread is incomplete but the general consensus is that Uair ends faster than Bair
Dair is correct for vertical
Dair is correct for vertical
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Slain Avenger
Smash Ace
This seems useful, thanks for the info.
Ambient_Horizon
Smash Ace
I suppose I have a question.
Outside of the CG, does the Boost Pivot Grab have any conventional uses despite it not being as fast as Fox's? I find myself using it occasionally but I want to know if any good Falco's utilize it like that.
Outside of the CG, does the Boost Pivot Grab have any conventional uses despite it not being as fast as Fox's? I find myself using it occasionally but I want to know if any good Falco's utilize it like that.
J4pu
Smash Champion
run at someone, predict spotdodge, use boost pivot grab to grab from behind as their spotdodge ends.
not sure how good this is at competitive levels, but I use run past > pivot grab fairly often even with characters that dont have a BPG, so it seems even better if you have that extra speed boost. And if you land it it ****s with their head.
not sure how good this is at competitive levels, but I use run past > pivot grab fairly often even with characters that dont have a BPG, so it seems even better if you have that extra speed boost. And if you land it it ****s with their head.
wangston
Smash Lord
yes it pops them up... but are they in hit stun or can they throw out an nair or something?
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
jab never had enough hitstun to guarentee followups. marth can sideb out of jab1 before he hits the ground
When Wario, or some other characters Nair or Poke your shield, you can Boost Pivot Grab them OOS as a punishment. Which is amazing, considering that you can't really punish wario out of his Nair.
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Shocodoro Blagshidect
which wario uses nair as a poke instead of a crossup anyway lol
gunterrsmash01
Smash Champion
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Ahh wow thank you. did not know Uair was faster
Don Guero
Smash Journeyman
i tried to side b onto the ledge and i somehow ended up under the stage. any explanation for this?
Denzi
Smash Master
Too low.
Yes it's possible But I would bother with it till you get a gc controller
Yumewomiteru
Smash Master
you suc k
Don Guero
Smash Journeyman
thats not nice
Yumewomiteru
Smash Master
Lol yeah, just practice your timing, if its on stages like delphino and halberd its harder to grab the ledgethats not nice
Slain Avenger
Smash Ace
Another random noobish question. Sometimes, falco players appear to use a "jab-lock" type thing where they just use 1st and 2nd jab and don't enter the AAA combo. I know this somehow involves the timing that's used to do the A A Grab combo, but I can't seem to get this right, how is this executed?
Denzi
Smash Master
Jab -> Jab -> Crouch Cancel -> Jab -> Jab -> Repeat.
BleachigoZX
Smash Master
lolz Denzi to the rescue!
Edit:
Did anyone find out the reflectors trip rate?
Edit:
Did anyone find out the reflectors trip rate?
Denzi
Smash Master
^No, not yet.
thexsunrosered
Smash Lord
guys
Game and watch help please, any time I fight a good one I just can't pull out the win
Lucario too
Game and watch help please, any time I fight a good one I just can't pull out the win
Lucario too
Elyssa Xey Hexen
Broken!
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I am going to try some new match-up therapy treatment. The patient will answer their own problems.
1) What are you getting punished for doing? (ex. trying to grab a lot and people are reading it)
2) Where are you having problems doing things? (ex. you aren't DI correctly, tech skill)
thexsunrosered
Smash Lord
I mean, I do this already, I'm a good player as far as reading and prediction go, its just that I was wondering if there was any specific matchup tips you guys could give me.
AfroThunderRule
Smash Journeyman
J4pu
Smash Champion
honestly, not sure. Maybe you accidentally forgot to jump before doing the next laser, but it really looks like there was landing lag with him putting the gun away.
after watching it a few more times it looks like you/whoever is playing did a grounded laser there, no jump input or jump input too early causing it not to be read.
also, you gotsta work on your SHDL, 2nd laser should be standing laser height.
after watching it a few more times it looks like you/whoever is playing did a grounded laser there, no jump input or jump input too early causing it not to be read.
also, you gotsta work on your SHDL, 2nd laser should be standing laser height.
AfroThunderRule
Smash Journeyman
How could Falco have done a grounded laser when he was midair? >.<
And I know how to SHDL, I just did ot that way so people wouldn't say that I did the lasers too late or something. (Maybe me doing SHDL too early caused this.)
J4pu
Smash Champion
he didn't, he did it when he was on the ground, look at your video the last laser you shoot 0:06-0:07, it's a grounded laser.
I'm thinking your timing was off for pressing the jump button, which caused falco to not jump after he landed, then you pressed B for a SHL but since the game didn't read your jump input you ended up doing a grounded laser.
it wasn't landing lag, you just didn't jump.
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Shocodoro Blagshidect
ive had that before.
theres just a certain point in falcos laser animation that lags.
theres just a certain point in falcos laser animation that lags.
AfroThunderRule
Smash Journeyman
I'm not talking about that part, I know what caused that, I was buffering a SHDL then out out nowhere that weird landing lag at 0:05-0:06 appeared out of nowhere causing the game not registering my jump since I was buffering a SHDL assuming that I would have landed lagless, I'm asking why did that weird landing lag happen or why it didn't happen earlier or something. Sorry if I wasn't clear. >_<
When he lands a midair laser? o_O
Seems random....
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Yeah it sometimes happens.
Yumewomiteru
Smash Master
I don't think it's random, I think you just mistimed it badly.
J4pu
Smash Champion
What I'm saying is I've been playing Falco in brawl for almost 2 years now and you can ask anybody who's ever seen a video of one of my matches and they'll tell you all i do is spam SHDL and I've never seen that happen.
I'm saying I don't think there was any landing lag, I think you just shot a grounded laser.
If you want proof of this go check how long it takes for a grounded laser to come out, then go back and look at your video and compare how long it took for your grounded laser to come out after landing, if there really was landing lag then there should be a significant difference in the start-up frames.
I'm saying I don't think there was any landing lag, I think you just shot a grounded laser.
If you want proof of this go check how long it takes for a grounded laser to come out, then go back and look at your video and compare how long it took for your grounded laser to come out after landing, if there really was landing lag then there should be a significant difference in the start-up frames.
marth13
Smash Rookie
What's the frame window for Falco's dacus?
chrisXcross
Smash Rookie
whats the easiest way to learn how to phantasm cancel?
J4pu
Smash Champion
I don't know
there's this secret way to learn things that all the top falco's have been hiding from you...
the only way to learn it is to practice it.
Katana_koden
Smash Ace
I'm not understanding your frame data. It seems like too much block stun or is it calculated with the hit lag?
Denzi
Smash Master
Our frame data is old, don't trust it.
AvoiD
Smash Lord
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfOAByZDXpQ
Why is a buffered dacus so good? Saviorslegacy topic in tactical, check it out if you haven't already.
Why is a buffered dacus so good? Saviorslegacy topic in tactical, check it out if you haven't already.
chaoechidna
Smash Apprentice
Hey guys, I'm having trouble with the ROB matchup and being gayed by his shield and dsmash OOS. Just ROB in general owns my falco. I see that there hasn't been a matchup discussion on him yet (or it's too old to be found here anymore), so any advice? I try camping, but I still get owned with tilts, aerials, etc. And his down B gyro is a pain as well. Any advice on how you guys deal with ROBs would be super appreciated, just cause I want to have this matchup down for my next tourney (viridian?) and i plan on going falco like usual. But actually doing well this time. Thanks!
J4pu
Smash Champion
It gives slightly more boost, if you held the smash like you did with the non-buffered I imagine it would have hit yoshi. I really don't think the difference is significant though, if you think about it, the input is the same it's just the cancel into Usmash is done at a more opportune time (1st frame of DA) which is impossible to do without buffering because the game would just read it as you holding the attack input for the DA down.
Somebody else explained this on the 2nd or 3rd page of the thread, it's cool for diddy because it's the only way he can get a slide out of his boost smash, but for characters who already have a good slide, it's more or less insignificant.