Ask a quick question, get a quick answer (The Marth FAQ's)

[VietGeek]

Other than another DB hit, none really. If it spikes them, the spike is too weak for any guaranteed follow-ups.

The third hit was made so you can shieldstab them and get your *** away for leaning too far into a shield. At least, that's how I see it.

 

[BacklashMarth]

kinsoku jikou desu <3

um, dont you mean "jigoku ni ikimasu"?

 

[Steel]

n o

 

[Pierce7d]

Ugh, ignore these guys. Marth's Autocancelled Uair combos into virtually everything. Fair can combo many things, and Marth's follow-ups are amazingly solid. Fair, Dtilt, Dancing Blade IS a combo. On some characters, you can chain Fairs together at certain percents on certain stages (I know, sounds extra gimmicky, lol)

Ken Combo does not exist, though I used it to win a tourney match vs a Snake recently.

To me, hitting someone with 0 helpful options is exactly the same as hitting someone in hitstun with 0 options period. It's still a combo, and Marth can do this to characters. I don't know about you guys, but the era of landing one hit at a time was over for me 2 months ago.

 

[3xSwords]

.....so much fail

 

[Freezewish]

Ken Combo does not exist, though I used it to win a tourney match vs a Snake recently.

Contradiction much?

 

[jayboi221]

Ken Combo does not exist, though I used it to win a tourney match vs a Snake recently.

What do mean it done exist if u usrd it to win a tourney making no sense

 

[Pr0phetic]

He means if the Snake would DI correctly, if at all, it wouldn't happen.

 

[Zankoku]

Well, it's not a true combo (not enough hitstun) but Snake's options consist of anything except air-dodge (and get hit by dair), and air-dodge (setting yourself up for a dair edgeguard anyway).

 

[Steel]

The Ankoku Combo: Fsmash.

 

[Pr0phetic]

I pull that combo in a pinch and at optimal performance.

 

[Pierce7d]

What Ankoku said. (Wow, did that really need explaining?)

 

[Fizzle]

Does anyone use Marth's counter to edgeguard MK's drill rush? I saw Ankoku use it once, and I was wondering if this was one of the few ways to successfully edgeguard MK.

Will a DS on a recovering Snake renew your second jump, just like shuttle loop does?

 

[Zankoku]

It counters MK Drillrushing AT YOU, not AT THE LEDGE. I would not have used it if I did not see him going straight for me instead of the ledge.

 

[Fizzle]

If you're quick enough, couldn't you just run off and counter when you see it start? Drill rush's startup lag is pretty noticeable.

Again, I know this is very risky if you miss. I'm just wondering if it might be a viable tactic.

 

[BacklashMarth]

About the DS giving you a 2nd jump, thats a no.

 

[DJMirror]

The Ankoku Combo: Fsmash.

That a legit combo right there....Man everytime i pull it off, It gives me this feeling *ahhh yeah i did it.. the "ankoku combo"* like it make you feel good inside lol

 

[Tero.]

If you're quick enough, couldn't you just run off and counter when you see it start? Drill rush's startup lag is pretty noticeable.

Again, I know this is very risky if you miss. I'm just wondering if it might be a viable tactic.

You could just edgehog at the right time, if they can't sweetspot they will have this little "pop up" thing (i can't describe it lol, hope you know what i mean) and you can ledgehop aerial then.

 

[Pierce7d]

Countering Drill Rush is very intelligent. Edgehogging is tricky, though advisable on Lylat Cruise, since it can cause the MK to Drill Rush under the stage, and SD. If you're really pro, run off and Dolphin Slash through it when your opponent is at high percents. Then drift back and catch the ledge without self-destructing.

 

[TKD+ITA+Mar=]

Yeah, I love DS'ing MetaKnight as an edgeguard tactic. Although, I feel really stupid if I can't make it back to the stage.

 

[jayboi221]

Is there a easy way to be R.O.B

 

[feardragon64]

Is there a easy way to be R.O.B

Not with marth

 

[∫unk]

Nope you're ****ed

 

[TKD+ITA+Mar=]

Just give up and play MK.

 

[Palpi]

Well isn't that the answer to every question?

 

[Darxmarth23]

Well isn't that the answer to every question?

Why yes it is.

But don't give in...

Don't give in to the voices....

 

[Palpi]

I already did give in. But only for CP'ing in doubles. My true love is still Ike...and marth.

 

[Pr0phetic]

What's an aspect of Marth we need to develop, other then recovery lol

 

[TKD+ITA+Mar=]

Safe Kill Moves.

That, and making his sword twice the size of Gigabowser.

Who Has The Longer Dtilt Now MK?!?!

 

[Pr0phetic]

Hmm k ill look into that, thanks man.

 

[TKD+ITA+Mar=]

No problem. Yeah, MetaKnight is like Marth, with an excellent recovery and safe killing moves. So if we could get either one of those, Marth could significantly jump up.



EDIT: I just realized now that Jayboi's question was "Is there a easy way to be R.O.B[?]"

I thought this whole time it was "Is there a way to beat R.O.B?"

Ah, well, my answer still applies.

 

[Pr0phetic]

The only way too improve his kill moves is setting up and utilizing the opportunity, like DeDeDe's UTilt, so ill dive into that.

 

[Shaya]

Tippered nair 'sweetspot' is Marth's 3rd best kill move (after tipper fsmash/dsmash).

4th is tippered bair.

So in reality, Marth does have a very safe kill move. Even if you don't "sweetspot" the normal tipper is next in line after bair for horizontal killing. And bair isn't too bad in terms of safety. But Marth is cursed with the forced 'tipper' thing.

If you want to ignore tippers, Marth has nothing really (that is safe).

 

[adumbrodeus]

No problem. Yeah, MetaKnight is like Marth, with an excellent recovery and safe killing moves. So if we could get either one of those, Marth could significantly jump up.

Hack the game?

Tippered nair 'sweetspot' is Marth's 3rd best kill move (after tipper fsmash/dsmash).

4th is tippered bair.

So in reality, Marth does have a very safe kill move. Even if you don't "sweetspot" the normal tipper is next in line after bair for horizontal killing. And bair isn't too bad in terms of safety.

True, but nair hits too high to be particulatly useful in that context against a lot of characters.

Bair has the limitation that it has to be auto-canceled otherwise ending lag...


But perhaps that's the next step in marth's metagame, figuring out how to use those moves in other match-ups more reliably.

 

[TKD+ITA+Mar=]

Hack the game?

Yes.

But then we could just skip to my better idea:

That, and making his sword twice the size of Gigabowser.

Who Has The Longer Dtilt Now MK?!?!

 

[Pr0phetic]

Actually SH Tipper Nair has a tilt towards the ground in front of Marth, it misses short characters but that rarely happens to me.

And we know how to use the moves correctly for each character btw.

 

[feardragon64]

So not going to lie. I've never been to a legit smash tournament.

Any regulars want to give me some advice for my first?(this is where I get kicked out of MBR for having no experience whatsoever)

 

[Steel]

ur gonna get *****

 

[BanjoKazooiePro]

I went to my first tournament just about a month ago. You're really going to be surprised, I can tell you that. I didn't think it was going to be all about spacing, but it really was. Work on that or else you're in for a rude awakening. It really helps to know all the characters and their strong points, seeing as I got beaten by a DK player which I never thought was possible. Just practice a lot, and have fun. If you try to go for first, you fail. :3

 

[feardragon64]

ur gonna get *****

I've got no lag to save me anymore. Tear_Tear
It'll be a series of "omg how'd you get out of that"'s, and "why couldn't I ds out of that? T_T"

Also what's wrong with getting beaten by DK? >>