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  • Okay, so...if you guys got to choose seven unique characters and seven Echo Fighters for Melee, who would you guys pick? For me:
    Peach​
    Bowser​
    Ice Climbers​
    Sheik​
    Zelda​
    Marth​
    Mewtwo​
    Ayumi Tachibana (Peach / Zelda Echo)​
    Pichu
    (Pikachu Echo)​
    Falco
    (Fox Echo)​
    Young Link
    (Link Echo)​
    Mach Rider
    (Captain Falcon Echo)​
    Celica (Marth Echo)​
    Bubbles (Kirby Echo)​
    KneeOfJustice99
    KneeOfJustice99
    Hm. This pretty much changes with the winds for me, but I'd probably go with...

    Peach
    Bowser
    Zelda
    King Dedede
    Mewtwo
    Marth
    Mr. Game & Watch
    Dr. Mario
    (Mario clone)​
    Young Link
    (Link clone)​
    Gooey
    (Kirby clone)​
    Falco
    (Fox clone)​
    Pichu
    (Pikachu clone)​
    Ryota Hayami
    (Captain Falcon clone)​
    Celica
    (Marth clone)​

    My thought process basically boils down to:
    • Both Peach and Bowser are obvious candidates from the Super Mario series
    • Zelda makes a lot of sense, but we could get away with cutting Sheik
    • King Dedede works to bolster Kirby a little!
    • Mewtwo is an obvious Pokemon newcomer for the era too
    • Marth is another decently obvious pick at this point
    • Mr. Game & Watch is basically the de-facto "retro rep"
    • Dr. Mario is slightly deviated further to take more inspiration from his actual games
    • Young Link is predominantly inspired by Majora's Mask instead of Ocarina of Time
    • Gooey is just honestly kinda fun, doesn't have Inhale but does have licks and stuff
    • Falco is just obvious ngl, as is Pichu to be fair
    • Ryota is a rep for a more modern series (Wave Race) who could still feel pretty unique
    • Celica is a somewhat inspired Marth clone who might have a magic attack or two from Zelda's kit
    Pupp135
    Pupp135
    I elaborate on some of my choices here, but here‘s the roster below.
    Unique: :bowsermelee::peachmelee:(:zeldamelee::sheikmelee:):icsmelee::marthmelee::mewtwomelee:
    Clones (parent fighters match with canon ones): :drmario::pichumelee::falcomelee::younglinkmelee::ganondorfmelee::roymelee::ultdaisy:
    Perkilator
    Perkilator
    Alternatively, if Melee got another year to cook, here's the roster I'd choose (Italics bold denotes unlockable characters):
    Mario​
    Luigi
    Peach​
    Bowser​
    Yoshi​
    Wario¹​
    Donkey Kong​
    Diddy Kong
    Link​
    Zelda / Sheik​
    Ganondorf²​
    Samus​
    Kirby​
    Fox​
    Falco
    Pikachu​
    Jigglypuff
    Mewtwo
    Scizor​
    Ness​
    Captain Falcon​
    Ice Climbers​
    Ayumi Tachibana³​
    Marth
    Celica⁴​
    Bubbles⁵​
    Mach Rider⁶​
    Mr. Game & Watch
    • ¹Wario would be primarily based on the Wario Land series
    • ²Ganondorf would be fully de-cloned
    • ³Ayumi would be a semi-clone using Peach's and Zelda's attacks
    • ⁴Celica would be a Marth Echo with equal damage across the blade, but her versions of Marth's specials would instead incorporate magic with recoil damage
    • ⁵Bubbles would be a Kirby Echo with variations of Kirby's specials based on Clu Clu Land
    • ⁶Mach Rider would be a Captain Falcon Echo with the neutral special changed to a machine gun and the side special changed to a bike dash
    I'm also going to jot down stages well:
    Battlefield
    (Special stage)​
    Bob-Omb Battlefield
    (Mario's stage)​
    Luigi Raceway
    (Luigi's stage)​
    Peach's Castle
    (Peach's stage)​
    Bowser's Castle
    (Bowser's stage)​
    Yoshi's Story
    (Yoshi's stage)​
    Rice Beach
    (Wario's stage)​
    Kongo Falls
    (Donkey Kong's stage)​
    Jungle Japes
    (Diddy Kong's stage)​
    Death Mountain
    (Link's stage)​
    Temple
    (Zelda / Sheik's stage)​
    Gerudo Valley
    (Ganondorf's stage)​
    Brinstar
    (Samus' stage)​
    Fountain of Dreams
    (Kirby's stage)​
    Corneria
    (Fox's stage)​
    Venom
    (Falco's stage)​
    Pallet Town
    (Pikachu's stage)​
    Pokémon Stadium
    (Jigglypuff's stage)​
    Cerulean Cave
    (Mewtwo's stage)​
    Sprout Tower
    (Scizor's stage)​
    Onett
    (Ness' stage)​
    Big Blue
    (Captain Falcon's stage)​
    Condor's Peak
    (Ice Climbers' stage)​
    Ushimitsu High School
    (Ayumi's stage)​
    Talys
    (Marth's stage)​
    Temple of Mila
    (Celica's stage)​
    Clu Clu Land
    (Bubbles' stage)​
    Wasteland Sector
    (Mach Rider's stage)​
    Flat Zone
    (Mr. Game & Watch's stage)​
    Final Destination
    (Special stage)​
    I don’t know why I never thought of this before, but you guys know how Mach Rider was supposed to be in Melee? Well, what if Mach Rider got into Melee as the Captain Falcon clone?
    What potential new franchises would you like to see in the next Smash game? Whether it be from Nintendo, 3rd party companies already represented, or new companies altogether.
    DragonRobotKing26
    DragonRobotKing26
    Sega-Puyo Puyo
    Capcom-Resident Evil
    Namco-Soul Calibur
    Konami-Bomberman
    Torgo the Bear
    Torgo the Bear
    Yo-kai Watch
    Ghosts n Goblins (outside of Arthur's spirit)
    StarTropics

    And while it would never happen, World of Goo.

    Also Popeye
    KneeOfJustice99
    KneeOfJustice99
    Truthfully, whilst this isn't necessarily a "franchise", if Spirits (or even Trophies) come back in the future, I'd love to see Nintendo itself get into the series. (Or hell, even other consoles from other companies if they wanted - I'm sure SEGA wouldn't mind stuff like the Genesis getting in.) Whether it be things like consoles, their earlier arcade titles, or even going back to their toys or hanafuda cards, it'd be a really cool element of history that'd be nice to see added to the historical aspect of the Smash franchise.

    That said, I do think it'd also be fun to see a Picross stage. It's not a "massive series" on the level of like, Splatoon, but Picross is a reasonably significant puzzle series that Nintendo's been overseeing for some time.

    Oh, and one more thing - give Pikachu an alt that gives him his scarf from the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games. It seems too obvious not to include, in my opinion.
    You think if the NASB devs were allowed to work on the next Smash game (whether it be a new game or something like Ult. Deluxe), it would be a match made in heaven?
    I understand not many people miss the era in the mid-2000’s with western properties pumping out video games like no tomorrow but with that being said; considering the praise for licensed games pumped out by companies like, for example, Capcom and Konami back in the 90’s, I also think the companies that own those western properties should have also branched out to other Japanese developers more often back in the mid-2000’s along with the western developers they’ve worked with.
    Wow…to think this would be my 10,000th post.
    Aside from this, what non-character stuff do you guys want? For me:
    Group
    Smash (1-8 players)
    Squad Strike (1-2 players)
    Tourney (1-8 players with 32 entrants max)
    Special Smash
    Smashdown
    Super Sudden Death
    Custom Smash
    Solo
    Arcade
    Classic Mode (each fighter has a pre-determined route)
    All-Star Mode (fight opponents in order of their Smash debut games)
    Smash Run
    Stadium
    Mob Smash
    Century Smash (fight 100 Mii opponents)
    Rival Smash (two players fight to KO the most opponents in 3:00)
    Cruel Smash (fight until you die against ruthless opponents)
    Home-Run Contest
    Sports
    Creative Corner
    Mii Fighters
    Stage Builder
    Mode Builder (create Classic Mode routes and Target Tests / Board the Platforms and share them online)
    amiibo
    VR
    Challenger’s Approach
    Spirits
    World of Light (reworked with the DLC fighters in mind)
    Spirit Board
    Collection
    The Rematch feature now lets you rematch bosses for the best possible time and score
    Online
    With Anyone
    For Fun
    For Glory
    With Friends
    Battle Arena
    Raid Bosses
    Spectate
    Shared Content
    Online Tourney
    Vault
    Sounds
    Replays
    Replay Editor
    Records
    Stats
    Milestones
    Battle Data
    Smash Tags
    Past Opponents
    Challenges
    Tips
    Movies
    Shop
    Dashboard
    Return to Top Menu
    Collection
    Local Wireless
    News
    Options
    Help
    Time for fantasy roster #493531208

    What do you guys think of this one? For Melee, I made it a point to trim down the roster for the sake of focusing on the unique newcomers and minimizing the clones.
    Luigi
    Mario​
    Donkey Kong​
    Link​
    Samus​
    Captain Falcon
    Ness
    Yoshi​
    Kirby​
    Fox​
    Pikachu​
    Meowth
    Mario​
    Luigi
    Peach​
    Bowser​
    Donkey Kong​
    Link​
    Zelda / Sheik​
    Ganondorf
    Samus​
    Yoshi​
    Kirby​
    Fox​
    Falco
    Pikachu​
    Meowth
    Mewtwo
    Ness​
    Captain Falcon​
    Ice Climbers​
    Marth
    Mr. Game & Watch
    RANDOM​
    Mario​
    Luigi
    Peach​
    Bowser​
    Yoshi​
    Wario​
    Donkey Kong​
    Diddy Kong​
    Dixie Kong
    Link​
    Zelda / Sheik​
    Ganondorf
    Tetra
    Samus / Zero Suit Samus​
    Kirby​
    Meta Knight​
    King Dedede​
    Fox​
    Falco
    Wolf
    Pikachu​
    Meowth
    Mewtwo
    Pokémon Trainer (Totodile, Grovyle, Charizard)​
    Lucario
    Ness
    Lucas​
    Captain Falcon
    Ice Climbers​
    Marth
    Ike​
    Mr. Game & Watch
    Pit​
    Olimar​
    R.O.B.
    Snake​
    Sonic
    RANDOM​
    Mario​
    Luigi​
    Peach​
    Bowser​
    Bowser Jr.
    Paper Mario​
    Rosalina & Luma​
    Yoshi​
    Wario
    Donkey Kong​
    Diddy Kong​
    Link​
    Zelda​
    Sheik​
    Ganondorf
    Tetra​
    Ghirahim​
    Samus​
    Zero Suit Samus​
    Kirby​
    Meta Knight​
    King Dedede​
    Fox​
    Falco
    Pikachu​
    Meowth
    Lucario​
    Greninja​
    Ness
    Captain Falcon​
    Marth​
    Ike​
    Robin​
    Mr. Game & Watch
    Pit​
    Palutena​
    Olimar​
    Isabelle​
    Wii Fit Trainer​
    Little Mac​
    Shulk​
    Takamaru
    Duck Hunt
    Mii Fighters (Brawler, Swordfighter, Gunner)​
    Dixie Kong
    Dark Pit
    Alph
    Sonic​
    Mega Man​
    PAC-MAN​
    RANDOM​
    Mewtwo​
    Rayman​
    Ryu​
    Lucas​
    Cloud​
    Azura​
    Bayonetta​
    Inkling​
    64
    Melee
    Brawl
    for 3DS / Wii U
    Newcomers
    • 1. Mario
    • 2. Donkey Kong
    • 3. Link
    • 4. Samus
      • 4ε. Dark Samus
    • 5. Yoshi
    • 6. Kirby
    • 7. Fox
    • 8. Pikachu
    • 9. Luigi
    • 10. Ness
    • 11. Captain Falcon
    • 12. Meowth
    • 13. Peach
      • 13ε. Daisy
    • 14. Bowser
    • 15. Ice Climbers
    • 16. Sheik
      • 16ε. Yiga
    • 17. Zelda
    • 18. Ganondorf
    • 19. Falco
    • 20. Mewtwo
    • 21. Marth
      • 21ε. Celica
    • 22. Mr. Game & Watch
    • 23. Meta Knight
    • 24. Pit
      • 24ε. Dark Pit
    • 25. Zero Suit Samus
    • 26. Wario
    • 27. Snake
    • 28. Ike
    • Pokémon Trainer
      • 29. Totodile
      • 30. Grovyle
      • 31. Charizard
    • 32. Diddy Kong
      • 32ε. Dixie Kong
    • 33. Lucas
    • 34. Sonic
    • 35. King Dedede
    • 36. Olimar
      • 36ε. Alph
    • 37. Tetra
    • 38. Wolf
    • 39. Lucario
    • 40. R.O.B.
    • 41. Isabelle
    • 42. Mega Man
    • 43. Wii Fit Trainer
    • 44. Rosalina & Luma
    • 45. Paper Mario
    • 46. Little Mac
      • 46ε. Glass Joe
    • 47. Ghirahim
    • 48. Greninja
    • Mii Fighters
      • 49. Brawler
      • 50. Swordfighter
      • 51. Gunner
    • 52. Palutena
    • 53. PAC-MAN
    • 54. Robin
    • 55. Shulk
    • 56. Bowser Jr.
    • 57. Takamaru
    • 58. Duck Hunt
    • 59. Rayman
    • 60. Ryu
      • 60ε. Ken
    • 61. Cloud
    • 62. Azura
    • 63. Bayonetta
      • 63ε. Jeanne
    • 64. Inkling
    • 65. Simon
    • 66. Alucard
    • 67. Ridley
    • 68. King K. Rool
    • 69. Revali
    • 70. Incineroar
    • 71-72. Pyra / Mythra
    • 73. Bandana Waddle Dee
    • 74. Min Min
    • 75. Banjo & Kazooie
    Vol. 1Vol. 2
    • 76. Joker
    • 77. Hero
    • 78. Crash Bandicoot
    • 80. Estelle Bright
    • Team NEO GEO
      • 80. Terry Bogard
      • 81. Iori Yagami
      • 82. Nakoruru
    • 83. Steve
    • 84. Chun-Li
    • 85. Dr. Eggman
    • 86. Sephiroth
    • 87. Ring Fit Trainee
    • 88. Shantae
    • 89. Kazuya Mishima
    • 90. Sora
    1. Mario
    2. Luigi
    3. Peach
    4. Daisy
    5. Bowser
    6. Rosalina & Luma
    7. Paper Mario
    8. Bowser Jr.
    9. Yoshi
    10. Wario
    11. Donkey Kong
    12. Diddy Kong
    13. Dixie Kong
    14. King K. Rool
    15. Link
    16. Zelda
    17. Sheik
    18. Yiga
    19. Ganondorf
    20. Tetra
    21. Ghirahim
    22. Revali
    23. Samus
    24. Dark Samus
    25. Zero Suit Samus
    26. Ridley
    27. Kirby
    28. Meta Knight
    29. King Dedede
    30. Bandana Waddle Dee
    31. Fox
    32. Falco
    33. Wolf
    34. Pikachu
    35. Meowth
    36. Mewtwo
    37. Pokémon Trainer
    38. Lucario
    39. Greninja
    40. Incineroar
    41. Ness
    42. Lucas
    43. Captain Falcon
    44. Ice Climbers
    45. Marth
    46. Celica
    47. Ike
    48. Robin
    49. Azura
    50. Mr. Game & Watch
    51. Pit
    52. Dark Pit
    53. Palutena
    54. Olimar
    55. Alph
    56. R.O.B.
    57. Isabelle
    58. Wii Fit Trainer
    59. Little Mac
    60. Glass Joe
    61. Shulk
    62. Pyra / Mythra
    63. Takamaru
    64. Duck Hunt
    65. Inkling
    66. Min Min
    67. Ring Fit Trainee
    68. Snake
    69. Sonic
    70. Dr. Eggman
    71. Mega Man
    72. PAC-MAN
    73. Rayman
    74. Ryu
    75. Ken
    76. Chun-Li
    77. Cloud
    78. Sephiroth
    79. Bayonetta
    80. Jeanne
    81. Simon
    82. Alucard
    83. Banjo & Kazooie
    84. Joker
    85. Hero
    86. Crash
    87. Estelle
    88. Terry
    89. Iori
    90. Nakoruru
    91. Steve
    92. Shantae
    93. Kazuya
    94. Sora
    95. Mii Fighters
    96. RANDOM
    In your opinion, what are the worst fighting game alts of all time? (This can range from palette swaps to full-on costumes)
    Okay so I’m going to play my own game: I’m going to replace Piranha Plant with Bandana Waddle Dee BUT I’m going to put the latter in the base game. I’m also going to give Vol. 1 six slots to work with to even out with Vol. 2. As for the characters in each volume:

    Vol. 1
    • Joker
    • Hero
    • Crash Bandicoot
    • Pyra / Mythra
    • Terry
    • Banjo & Kazooie

    Vol. 2
    • Chun-Li
    • Dr. Eggman
    • Sephiroth
    • Min Min
    • Kazuya
    • Sora
    I’m conflicted…on one hand, I wish Pretty Cure had a faithful English dub that isn’t Glitter Force for every season so it can have more of a presence outside Japan. On the other hand, I know people in the West would needlessly take the piss out of it like they do just about everything else, ESPECIALLY shows for young girls.
    I wonder what Sakurai thinks of other platform fighters like NASB?
    I just realized that Melee was technically the original "Everyone is Here", since it and Ultimate are the only games with no characters cut.
    KingofPhantoms
    KingofPhantoms
    You're right s aying that it is a technical sense, yeah.

    But Ultimate's was a much more impressive accomplishment and announcement since Melee was only the sequel to the first game, which itself only had twelve characters. Ultimate had no less than four prior Smash games to bring back characters from, and the developers had the challenge of bringing back a whopping 63 characters from each one in addition to modeling and programming a few more newcomers. There's not much of a comparison aside from in the technical sense.
    HyperSomari64
    HyperSomari64
    After all the Japanese subtitle was Deluxe.
    IKEI
    IKEI
    Or else they introduce something similar to Rental Fighter in SF6, where you can use a sort of ticket to unlock a character in every mode (offline or online) for a specific period of time (an hour or 2). That would be cool (even though it implies implementing micro-transactions)
    I'm gonna be blunt: I think Min Min and Steve should've been in Fighters Pass Vol. 1.

    ...So anyways, for the lack of a more natural transition, what does everyone think of my latest DLC rework that puts Min Min and Steve in Vol. 1?

    Bonus Fighter: #70. Bandana Waddle Dee
    • Fighters Pass Vol. 1
      • 71. Joker
      • 72. Hero
      • 73. Banjo & Kazooie
      • 74. Min Min
      • 75. Terry Bogard
      • 76. Steve
    • Fighters Pass Vol. 2
      • 77. Chun-Li
      • 78. Dr. Eggman
      • 79. Sephiroth
      • 80-81. Pyra / Mythra
      • 82. Kazuya Mishima
      • 83. Sora
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