Zelda+Sheik Matchup Listing

[Tristan_win]

I'm afraid I haven't fought a top de3 player yet or if I did I didn't notice

I've been doing the same thing since the game came out on them

Needle camp, needle camp, wait for a opening, ftilt/dsmash, needle camp, needle camp, wait for him to jump and throw, run up usmash. DACUS not needed but nice.

That's pretty much my whole strategy for de3 and so far I've only found like one de3 it didn't work on very well and that's because he stayed airborne half the time.

Other then that I know the utilt can beat his ^B

I know he has like a guaranteed down throw into ftilt

I know his utilt kills **** good and should not be missed with

I know he likes approach with the bair game and watch style and that sheik bair can't beat it.

and I know his fsmash has more range then the hammer shows....That's about it really, de3 has yet to impressed me and up till now I've never question my thinking of it being like 60/40 in sheik/Zelda favor.

I do agree though Zelda is most likely needed for this fight if you wish to win since the whole inhale thing hampers sheik chances of gimping mix that with how fat he is the match could drag on for a long time without her.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

The way I play her, she is.

Nono, you're wrong. The Dedede players you played against were just too slow

 

[TLMSheikant]

WTF why is TL easy for sheik? lmao. His sword just plain beats every attack she has. His projectiles are awesome. Hes better in the air. Sheik has nothing againt his projectiles. And he can't be ftilt locked. So that is totally untrue. If anything theyre even or in TL's favor 60:40.

 

[Zankoku]

Are you serious?

 

[NJzFinest]

*ignore this post*

 

[Steel]

WTF why is TL easy for sheik? lmao. His sword just plain beats every attack she has. His projectiles are awesome. Hes better in the air. Sheik has nothing againt his projectiles. And he can't be ftilt locked. So that is totally untrue. If anything theyre even or in TL's favor 60:40.

This is truly convincing.

All in favor?

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

hey now. while this guy was bad at posting that doesn't automatically make the notion wrong. I find toon link ard with zelda and harder still with sheik. I honestly think it's toonie's advantage, so I'd say to give some thought to the matchup before you discard the notion.

 

[-Mars-]

I'm afraid I haven't fought a top de3 player yet or if I did I didn't notice

I've been doing the same thing since the game came out on them

Needle camp, needle camp, wait for a opening, ftilt/dsmash, needle camp, needle camp, wait for him to jump and throw, run up usmash. DACUS not needed but nice.

That's pretty much my whole strategy for de3 and so far I've only found like one de3 it didn't work on very well and that's because he stayed airborne half the time.

Other then that I know the utilt can beat his ^B

I know he has like a guaranteed down throw into ftilt

I know his utilt kills **** good and should not be missed with

I know he likes approach with the bair game and watch style and that sheik bair can't beat it.

and I know his fsmash has more range then the hammer shows....That's about it really, de3 has yet to impressed me and up till now I've never question my thinking of it being like 60/40 in sheik/Zelda favor.

I do agree though Zelda is most likely needed for this fight if you wish to win since the whole inhale thing hampers sheik chances of gimping mix that with how fat he is the match could drag on for a long time without her.

So how do you needle camp with Waddle Dees sitting there?

 

[Tristan_win]

So how do you needle camp with Waddle Dees sitting there?

I knock them away with a tilt attack and continue camping. I also throw needles between waddles throws.

It's not perfect but it works well enough to make them approach.

 

[Zankoku]

Since when was Toon Link harder for Sheik than Zelda?

Since when was Toon Link hard for Sheik?

 

[-Mars-]

I agree, Toon Link isn't much of a problem for Sheik.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

But Dedede is

 

[-Mars-]

But Dedede is

That's why we have the down b button.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

To make matters even worse?

 

[-Mars-]

To make matters even worse?

What are you talking about? Have you even read some of the previous posts? Zelda easily gives DDD more problems than Sheik.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

What are you talking about? Have you even read some of the previous posts? Zelda easily gives DDD more problems than Sheik.

Zelda easily gives DDD more problems than most of the cast actually.

 

[Z1GMA]

- Zelda is my best counterpick against D3.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

What the ****? What n00b Dededes do you fight against? Zelda can't outcamp him. That's a lie, a fairy tale whatever. All she can do is force him to approach but once he is in ftilt range he completely outcamps Zelda. The only thing that Din's is good for is to make him approach but it's easy to avoid and at a certain range Zelda is screwed. Ftilt outranges all her attacks and once she gets closer she just grabs her. He can Shieldgrab all her moves with ease. Who cares wheter she can "screw his recovery", or if he can't DI out of her stupid usmash if these attacks won't hit in the first place. Hit Dededes Shield and your screwed. Stay out of his grab range and your screwed even worse. Zelda lacks the speed and mobility to pressure Dededes camping game adequately and her range is shorter than Dededes. To make an attack effective you have to land it first and that's where Zelda fails against D3

And don't tell me that Zelda outcamps Dedede, marsulas. Projectile spamming =/= camping (I'm telling that to you because you are apparently under the impresion that Fox is good at camping but he's not. Neither is Zelda).

65:35 D3s favour (vs Zelda)

 

[SinkingHigher]

Just as a note I have little experience with DeDeDes, but I have played some somewhat skilled D3s.

From my experience, it's a little hazy as to who has the upper hand in this matchup, Sheik or Zelda, since they both have their strengths and weaknesses against D3, but Din can be useful for eliminating Waddles, as well as D-smash.

If you can space yourself well and learn to take advantage of the obvious lag on many of his attacks, probably with D-smash or grab >> follow up I think he becomes a little easier to kill. His belly is left open when he jumps and during the start up of aerials, so if you're quick you can sweetspot lightning kicks VERY often.

This is the kind of matchup to be defensive with mainly, but once the opportunity arises (stay close but not too close), rush in, bust his *** and run away.

Waddles aren't the best for attacking someone on a ledge, and I believe NL can grab him out of his long range attacks, so using the NL edge "combo", it's easier to spike him than, say, GW. *grumbles* If you miss you can probably recover and catch him during his recovery with a U-smash (possibly to a lightning kick).

He's definitely a good camper, but he has his flaws. If you draw close to him when he sends out a waddle, you can probably catch him in a Dash attack chase and pressure him off the edge.

 

[Kataefi]

This is in no way D3's favour vs Zelda. At best it can be neutral, at worst it's 60:40 Zelda's advantage. Zelda has an answer to all of D3's moves except Ftilt and Utilt and his grabs. Her smashes are better, faster and pack a punch. Her nair autocancels, giving her a viable approach as D3 Ftilts. She can lead straight into a dsmash minus lag or spotdodge if she anticipates the throw.

It's not just that, but she can actually throw him just as well. Bthrow gives her tech chasing options and increases her chances of landing a sweetspotted aerial. Nair to throw is so effective against a D3 that enjoys the range of his Ftilt.

And you can't just say 'who cares whether she screws his recovery', because she CAN screw his recovery and she can do it WELL. Uair connects easily if he uses up+b and Dair connects easily if he doesn't. Either way, it could mean death for D3. She can also connect LKs.

Don't get me started on how large D3 is for the sweetspot lightning kick. She can put pressure with Din's and use clever mindgames. Aiming at the floor will eat D3's shield and eventually invite him to dodge in the air where she can setup for LKs. Her multi-hit moves put heavy pressure on d3 too.

 

[TLMSheikant]

Bah i still think TL has an advantage but w/e its my opinion and since these are the sheik boards i know u wont change the matchup ratio anyway. Anyway D3 is a tough cookie when playing as sheik. Since she has so little range in her aerials and D3's shield grab's range is awesome. So approaching him isnt easy. Waddle dees also give sheik troble in this matchup since they block ur needles and make u approach. If a D3 is spamming waddle dees though this is ur chance to move in powershield, release and approach quickly to punish his lag. His weight is also a VERY bad thing in this matchup since sheik has so little knockback in all of her attacks barring upsmash and upb. So expect to die faster than u kill D3. U can ftilt lock him though and if u manage to approach and get D3 in the air u have the advantage as long as u dont let him breath be very aggresive when u finally get him in the air follow his airdodge and hit him out of it. When off stage and far enough smart D3s (at least the ones ive played) will usually UpB and mindgame u between falling on stage and pressing down to cancel their upB to grab the ledge. With good prediction u can get a lot out of this situation stand near the ledge and start watching D3. If hes still in his upB when going to the stage when hes falling a well timed upsmash will hit him and possibly KO( depeding on %). If he cancels go edgehog. Oh and btw ankoku, i want to know the reasons why sheik> TL.

 

[Zankoku]

Bah i still think TL has an advantage but w/e its my opinion and since these are the sheik boards i know u wont change the matchup ratio anyway.

What is this supposed to mean? Are you trying to insinuate that I'm not being objective?

Oh and btw ankoku, i want to know the reasons why sheik> TL.

So I went back and checked, and I apparently put it as a +1 for Sheik. That's a 55/45 matchup. If you think a 55/45 is "easy," then we're done. Apparently slight advantages are still major enough to make matchups easy for you.

If not, it's because Toon Link doesn't have particularly fast movement, nor fast-moving projectiles. His aerial attack speed is decent, but nothing we haven't seen from Marth. And unlike Marth, that range isn't nearly as difficult to deal with. He doesn't have a Dragon-Punch type move to break out of anything with. His recovery is rather mediocre. The fact that he has a variety of projectiles and an aerial pressure/zoning game at all is the reason this isn't a large advantage for Sheik.

 

[TLMSheikant]

No ankoku im not saying ur being un-objective. I respect u and i know ur among the best brawl sheiks ive seen.I just wanted you to put reasons why. Because i can say that sheik>mk but where is the proof? I say its even both have their advantages and disadvantages in this matchup. Sheik has better speed overall while TL has good projectiles and a disjointed hitbox. And TL's recovery isnt mediocre it just isnt at mk or rob level. Sheik's is quite bad compared to TL's but that doesnt mean that TL will be gimping u since TL sucks at gimping. Except with nair and even then it isnt that good for gimping. I think sheik will have more trouble killing TL than TL killing sheik. But both are bad at killing. I havent played a good sheik with my TL yet because here in PR nobody uses her except me and i cant play myself to know th ematchup. >___>

 

[Zankoku]

i know ur among the best brawl sheiks ive seen.

Ok stop there.

I just want you to know... you've obviously not seen enough Brawl Sheiks.

 

[TLMSheikant]

Lol i said ur ONE of them. But obviously there are better lol. Ryoko is one, chok is another one and many more im just saying that ur sheik is better than mine and that ur good.

 

[Zankoku]

ur good.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[TLMSheikant]

So basically ur saying u suck with sheik? Ok then xD i wont argue on that then if u think u suck, u suck.

 

[-Mars-]

What the ****? What n00b Dededes do you fight against? Zelda can't outcamp him. That's a lie, a fairy tale whatever. All she can do is force him to approach but once he is in ftilt range he completely outcamps Zelda. The only thing that Din's is good for is to make him approach but it's easy to avoid and at a certain range Zelda is screwed. Ftilt outranges all her attacks and once she gets closer she just grabs her. He can Shieldgrab all her moves with ease. Who cares wheter she can "screw his recovery", or if he can't DI out of her stupid usmash if these attacks won't hit in the first place. Hit Dededes Shield and your screwed. Stay out of his grab range and your screwed even worse. Zelda lacks the speed and mobility to pressure Dededes camping game adequately and her range is shorter than Dededes. To make an attack effective you have to land it first and that's where Zelda fails against D3

And don't tell me that Zelda outcamps Dedede, marsulas. Projectile spamming =/= camping (I'm telling that to you because you are apparently under the impresion that Fox is good at camping but he's not. Neither is Zelda).

65:35 D3s favour (vs Zelda)

Why is it that you come on every character board, go into their matchup discussion, and tell them what their character can and can't do? Who the **** do you play? 65:35? I seriously wonder if you say stupid s*** just to start arguments.

No s*** ftilt outranges everything Zelda has, hell you can say that about almost any character. "ftilt outranges all of her attacks and once he gets close he grabs you"..........wow thanks for letting us know, I would have never guessed that.

See the thing is, getting into that range is hard for DDD. Sliding usmash beats all of his approaches. The only thing he could technically beat it with would be SH dair, but that's asking for pain if he misses. Lightning kicks trade with his bair and that's not something you want to be doing.

In case you didn't know, ftilt has some cooldown time. Couple that with the fact that Zelda has one of the best spotdodges in the game, ftilt isn't too viable for what you describe as "camping. One whiffed ftilt and Zelda punishes the fatass penguin HARD. In the form of a lightning kick or usmash. I doubt DDD players are going to sit there and risk being punished off a whiffed ftilt.

I don't need to camp with Dins, I merely need to force the approach and I do that. When he approaches, I have more options than him since I beat anything he can do to me in that situation. If you look at the Zelda boards you'll see I don't even think Dins is good, but in this matchup it is.

Zelda does fantastic against grab based characters, and DDD is no different. While DDD is significantly harder than the Ice Climbers for her, she still takes a lot of his stuff out the window. He can't chainthrow her, and with her spacing capabilities and priority it's hard for him to land grabs in the first place. "To make an attack effective you have to land it first and that's where Zelda fails against D3", just a great argument you made there.......see how I made the exact same one?

Believe it or not but in this game, some middle tier characters have fantastic matchups against the better characters. Most of the people in the country agree that Peach counters DDD because she takes a lot of his usual methods and renders them useless. In fact, Azen uses her as his personal DDD counterpick. Zelda does the same as Peach: beats him in the air, stays away from most of his grab game, ***** his recovery, combos the s*** out of him, and forces approaches.

I know your trying to come off with this elitist, cynical vibe........but at least know what your talking about when you come on other character boards' matchup discussions.

 

[Blistering Speed]

Awww Gheb want's to be an elitist when he's older, I remember when I was a kid and wanted to be a fireman.

Seriously:

F Tilt outranges everyone, it doesn't brand DDD untouchable to that character, considering U Smash>>>everything you got to approach. And you're going to have to approach as it's not like Waddle Dee's give Zelda trouble when she's using Dins.

Lightning Kick trades with B Air. Not to mention Lightning Kicks are very easy to land on DDD.

U Air wrecks your recovery.

You can grab me, but you can't CG me and Zelda does very well against grab heavy characters anyway.

*Edit* Lol, just read marsulas' post, he says what I said but better.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Why is it that you come on every character board, go into their matchup discussion, and tell them what their character can and can't do?

Because I've played that match-up myself?

No s*** ftilt outranges everything Zelda has, hell you can say that about almost any character.

Not true. First of all there are characters who can reach him: ROB, Snake and sometimes Marth. And there are still characters with a spammable projectile, that interfere (no Fox isn't one of them): Falco, Pit, Pikachu, etc.

You should stop accusing me for things I didn't even say.

"ftilt outranges all of her attacks and once he gets close he grabs you"..........wow thanks for letting us know, I would have never guessed that.

You ignored that in your match-up ratio. Otherwise she'd never had the advantage on him

See the thing is, getting into that range is hard for DDD. Sliding usmash beats all of his approaches.

If she slides towards him he doesn't have to approach. As soon as she starts sliding he just shield -> grab her. Also how can a sliding usmash beat disjointed hitboxes like ftilt?

If you argue, please make sense and don't contradict yourself.

The only thing he could technically beat it with would be SH dair, but that's asking for pain if he misses.

And why would he do something so silly, if he can just use ftilt or shieldgrab?

Lightning kicks trade with his bair and that's not something you want to be doing.

...and? Does it matter? Dedede doesn't even have to use aerials to make short work of her.

In case you didn't know, ftilt has some cooldown time.

Every move has some cooldown time -_____-

Ftilt doesn't have more than most others

Couple that with the fact that Zelda has one of the best spotdodges in the game,

ROB, Snake, Falco, Diddy Kong and King Dedede would like to have a serious word with you.

ftilt isn't too viable for what you describe as "camping."

Why? Spotdodge doesn't put Zelda in a better position. She just evaded the attack but didn't get a better position at all.

One whiffed ftilt and Zelda punishes the fatass penguin HARD. In the form of a lightning kick or usmash.

Are you saying, that if Dedede misses ftilt aka if he's too far away, usmash will hit him? How much range does usmash exactly have? If she spotdodges, he can just shield her (if he is stupid enough to let Zelda even get in range) attack, no matter what comes. She still has to approach somehow to get in range.

I doubt DDD players are going to sit there and risk being punished off a whiffed ftilt.

They aren't because ftilt either won't miss or doesn't get punished.

I don't need to camp with Dins, I merely need to force the approach and I do that.

Thanks for replying what I already said

When he approaches, I have more options than him since I beat anything he can do to me in that situation.

Lie. As long as Dedede has to approach, Din's is the only move Zelda can seriously use. Once he reaches the ftilt range, it's Zelda who has to approach.

If you look at the Zelda boards you'll see I don't even think Dins is good, but in this matchup it is.

The Zelda boards also have MK as 45:55 match-up -___________-

Zelda does fantastic against grab based characters, and DDD is no different.

Against whom exactly?

While DDD is significantly harder than the Ice Climbers for her, she still takes a lot of his stuff out the window.

What exactly? He can't use his waddle dees...OH NOOOOOOEEEEES!!!!111oneoneone

He can't chainthrow her

And?

, and with her spacing capabilities and priority it's hard for him to land grabs in the first place.

It's obvious that you don't even now the basics of Dedede? He never has troubles to grab anyone who doesn't have a spammable projectile or is called MK (even this is debatable. Dedede can grab MK quite well actually).

Besides, good spacing requires more than just mediocre range, poor speed and abysmal mobility

"To make an attack effective you have to land it first and that's where Zelda fails against D3", just a great argument you made there.......see how I made the exact same one?

The difference is that you're wrong and I'm not.

Believe it or not but in this game, some middle tier characters have fantastic matchups against the better characters.

Not really. The only one I can think of is Olimar vs Dedede. There are some 40:60 but that's far from "fantastic".

Unless you count Fox' 70:30 advantage on Snake

Most of the people in the country agree that Peach counters DDD because she takes a lot of his usual methods and renders them useless.

Soft-counters him! 60:40 = /= counter

In fact, Azen uses her as his personal DDD counterpick.

And that has exactly zero relevance to our discussion

Zelda does the same as Peach: beats him in the air,

I should stop debating with you before you make yourself ridicoulus.

You said yourself that the lightning kick trades hit with Dededes bair[/QUOTE]

Can't you see how much you contradict yourself? Either get your facts straight or don't debate match-up's.

stays away from most of his grab game,

And as a result remains unable to hit him

***** his recovery, combos the s*** out of him,

There's nothing easier to do than to "****" DDDs recovery and combo him!!!

and forces approaches.

I already commented on that. But in case you forgot: DDDs only has to approach until he reaches ftilt range

I know your trying to come off with this elitist, cynical vibe........but at least know what your talking about when you come on other character boards' matchup discussions.

Who are you to say such a thing? You spread misinformation all over the place, here and in the Fox boards. And you accuse me, who runs one of the most accurate match-up threads (aside from the Marth and hopefully Sheik boards) of not knowing what I'm saying? You are the one who contradicts yourself in your arguments: You say first that Zeldas lighning kick and bair trade hits but then you say that her aerials beat his? Despite the fact that all other aerials of Dedede are batter than the other aerials Zelda has? Or you say that Dedede has to approach but that Zelda uses sliding usmash, which makes her approach herself as a result.

You should stop living in your private little reality. Why do you spread misinformations about the character you use yourself. Do you want beginning brawlers to get a wrong impression just because you think your character s are sooooooooo awesome?

Just in case you ask: I play all top tier characters, Marth, Bowser and Wolf of course.

 

[choknater]

anc0cku dont be dumb LOL you know youre good

 

[Zankoku]

Shut up choknater, stop being cool.

 

[clowsui]

False, c0cknater is never cool.

 

[Kataefi]

Funny how gheb missed out my post but rinsed marsalus' =D

Zelda can anticipate ftilt and jump over, fast fall auto-cancel nair which leads easily into dtilt and then a smash of Zelda's choice, OR lightning kick to the face. From a further distance she can din's. Dedede will find this matchup very hard if he's not on the offensive, and he cannot remain defensive for the whole match - Zelda players understand the importance of approach and know that if their approaches aren't working and they're getting grabbed, they will camp with din's and stay at a distance that forces Dedede to approach her, which hinders d3 greatly.

Why is no one listening to me?! XD

 

[choknater]

i think the sheik boards should write a c0cknater x anc0cku fanfic

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Why is it that you come on every character board, go into their matchup discussion, and tell them what their character can and can't do? Who the **** do you play? 65:35? I seriously wonder if you say stupid s*** just to start arguments.

No s*** ftilt outranges everything Zelda has, hell you can say that about almost any character. "ftilt outranges all of her attacks and once he gets close he grabs you"..........wow thanks for letting us know, I would have never guessed that.

See the thing is, getting into that range is hard for DDD. Sliding usmash beats all of his approaches. The only thing he could technically beat it with would be SH dair, but that's asking for pain if he misses. Lightning kicks trade with his bair and that's not something you want to be doing.

In case you didn't know, ftilt has some cooldown time. Couple that with the fact that Zelda has one of the best spotdodges in the game, ftilt isn't too viable for what you describe as "camping. One whiffed ftilt and Zelda punishes the fatass penguin HARD. In the form of a lightning kick or usmash. I doubt DDD players are going to sit there and risk being punished off a whiffed ftilt.

I don't need to camp with Dins, I merely need to force the approach and I do that. When he approaches, I have more options than him since I beat anything he can do to me in that situation. If you look at the Zelda boards you'll see I don't even think Dins is good, but in this matchup it is.

Zelda does fantastic against grab based characters, and DDD is no different. While DDD is significantly harder than the Ice Climbers for her, she still takes a lot of his stuff out the window. He can't chainthrow her, and with her spacing capabilities and priority it's hard for him to land grabs in the first place. "To make an attack effective you have to land it first and that's where Zelda fails against D3", just a great argument you made there.......see how I made the exact same one?

Believe it or not but in this game, some middle tier characters have fantastic matchups against the better characters. Most of the people in the country agree that Peach counters DDD because she takes a lot of his usual methods and renders them useless. In fact, Azen uses her as his personal DDD counterpick. Zelda does the same as Peach: beats him in the air, stays away from most of his grab game, ***** his recovery, combos the s*** out of him, and forces approaches.

I know your trying to come off with this elitist, cynical vibe........but at least know what your talking about when you come on other character boards' matchup discussions.

QFT. Gehb is silly and wrong and Marsulas is right. Zelda counters MOST of DDD's game... period. I'm aware he's can kill Zelda at a lower damage than she can kill him. In fact, that's the only reason it's not an OMG total **** matchup. but it's still Zelda's advanyage no less than 60:40... and that's not considering sheik at all.

@Gheb. Learn2Debate. The way you mince Marsulas' words so that you can try to make him look bad just shows that you can't debate with his actual debate the way it stands.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Do you have any valid argument? Saying crap like "Your silly and marsulas' not lolololol" doesn't make you look credible. Especially since I just destroyed marsulas argument.

But of course biased people won't listen to facts if they don't want to.

I don't give a fúck about what you think of me. The only thing I care about is the accuracy of these match-up debates. If you want to spread around how awesome Zelda apparently is, you should do it on the Zelda boards and have a nice little time there. You can write everything you want there. How she hard counters Dedede and everything. But this is a match-up discussion. We're here to discuss the match-up (well duh) and not to write how awesome character X is. If you want to make Zelda look like a good character, you can do this anywhere you like but not in a match-up thread.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Do you have any valid argument? Saying crap like "Your silly and marsulas' not lolololol" doesn't make you look credible. Especially since I just destroyed marsulas argument.

But of course biased people won't listen to facts if they don't want to.

I don't give a fúck about what you think of me. The only thing I care about is the accuracy of these match-up debates. If you want to spread around how awesome Zelda apparently is, you should do it on the Zelda boards and have a nice little time there. You can write everything you want there. How she hard counters Dedede and everything. But this is a match-up discussion. We're here to discuss the match-up (well duh) and not to write how awesome character X is. If you want to make Zelda look like a good character, you can do this anywhere you like but not in a match-up thread.

it's been written time and time again. and I agree with marsulas's argument. why retype everything he said when you are obviously ignoring it.

oh and ongrats on the censor bypass to let you use "grown up" language on the internet. it's doing wonders for making you look mature.

FURTHERMORE this is the ZELDA+SHEIK matchup thread. it's a wonderful attempt to try to improve the synergy of the boards. leaving it would ruin that.

 

[-Mars-]

Sigh, I really don't feel like doing all that multi quoting. Say what you want, but you're wrong. My argument stands by itself and I have nothing else to say on the matter. If you think DDD trading hits with fair and bair in the air is good for him..........then I have nothing to say at all.

I don't think my characters are awesome. I think Fox goes even with Snake and Zelda beats DDD.........wow what am I thinking. If you actually looked at the Zelda matchup thread, it's extremely accurate. I think the only problem anyone would have with it is the MK ratio, but 45:55 doesn't sound all that off.

 

[RoyalBlood]

Sigh, I really don't feel like doing all that multi quoting. Say what you want, but you're wrong. My argument stands by itself and I have nothing else to say on the matter. If you think DDD trading hits with fair and bair in the air is good for him..........then I have nothing to say at all.

I don't think my characters are awesome. I think Fox goes even with Snake and Zelda beats DDD.........wow what am I thinking. If you actually looked at the Zelda matchup thread, it's extremely accurate. I think the only problem anyone would have with it is the MK ratio, but 45:55 doesn't sound all that off.

^_^;; The 45:55 may be my fault ^-^;; sowwy :3 We'll REDISCUSS once we finish with ther others :o
Or a problem arises ;3