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[sasook]

You really should learn how to play MK though even if you never plan on really using him all that much. The more you know about the most used character the better.

As smart and wise as this statement is.....

Ew. That's all I can say.

 

[zeldspazz]

Hey, one of the best Zelda's who posts here is giving us advice.
It would be smart to take it
Thanks

 

[KayLo!]

Snake is a good secondary. Marth would be good, but you'll get ***** by MK, which is a glaring problem. Not really sure about ZSS's bad matchups, so I can't comment on that one.

But, uh. If you're solo Zelda, the only really good secondaries are MK and Snake since Zelda has so many bad MUs in the higher tiers. If you go Zelda/Sheik, you have a bit more flexibility, but still not that much.

Pikachu? =X He won't necessarily cover your bad matchups, but he more or less has neutral MUs across the board except for Marth (his worst) and the characters he destroys by CG. But this is kind of shameless pimpin for my main, lol.

 

[Darkmusician]

Hey, one of the best Zelda's who posts here is giving us advice.
It would be smart to take it
Thanks

Np. And yeah if you enjoy playing Sheik she can do things to some of the high tiers so that's also a alternative secondary.

 

[Brinzy]

ZSS is a ridiculously hard character to use. Otherwise, she beats G&W, Snake and Olimar (I think, could be wrong here), and she has better match-ups against tons of characters. ZSS + Z/S is an excellent combination to go with if you are set on not using MK.

 

[Popertop]

I think snake would be better, he covers Marth, who is still a problem if you use Wario.

but if you can fight Marth with Zelda okay, then Wario would be golden.

 

[sasook]

ZSS is a good character, but has a large learning curve. Her only really bad matchup is Falco. Other than that, her matchups are good, or at least decent.

 

[zeldspazz]

I used to main ZSS a loooong time ago, I might still have a little bit of knowledge

 

[MrEh]

Good secondaries that cover Zelda's bad matchups can pretty much be ANY S tier.

MK, Snake, and Wario are probaby the best imo. All of them have their own share of weaknesses, but those are astronomically smaller then Zelda's. It's certainly better then something like Marth or Gdub, both of which are sort of lackluster compared to the top.

 

[zeldspazz]

I can't argue with that guy who made the jab-lock thread tactical. He's so dead set against any other opinion other than his own, and his informaiton is wrong.....

Sasook and Sihi are right....

 

[Popertop]

well, if you jab locked somebody somehow on the ground...

could you sweetspot Dair > Uair them?

cause I have that happening in my head, and it seems like lots of damage

I guess a smash would be better since it would set up for an edgeguard, right?

 

[KayLo!]

well, if you jab locked somebody somehow on the ground...

could you sweetspot Dair > Uair them?

You can't sweetspot dair on a grounded opponent.

So, among other reasons, no, that wouldn't work.

 

[Popertop]

why doesn't the dair sweetspot when they are grounded?

 

[MrEh]

why doesn't the dair sweetspot when they are grounded?

Because Sakurai is a moron.

Seriously. The sweetspot simply doesn't strike a grounded opponent.

 

[zeldspazz]

why doesn't the dair sweetspot when they are grounded?

Same reason why you go into helpless after you use Dins

Sakurai fails at making this game make sense.

Edit: **** it Mr.Eh you beat me to it >.<

 

[Popertop]

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[zeldspazz]

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Thats exactly what our faces looked like when we figured that out

 

[Airgemini]

What's her best aerial/option for momentum canceling?

 

[KayLo!]

What's her best aerial/option for momentum canceling?

FF bair to regain momentum control, then either reverse Naryu's or jump to kill momentum. (Reverse Naryu's takes a bit of practice.)

 

[zeldspazz]

FF bair to regain momentum control, then either reverse Naryu's or jump to kill momentum. (Reverse Naryu's takes a bit of practice.)

I always Dins when I try to do that XD I just jump honestly

 

[Airgemini]

Bair is really her fastest aerial?
I thought it was Dair....

Yeah, I'm scared to do the reverse Nayru's thing :x

Thanks!

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Bair is really her fastest aerial?
I thought it was Dair....

Yeah, I'm scared to do the reverse Nayru's thing :x

Thanks!

they honestly aren't a whole lot different.

 

[zeldspazz]

they honestly aren't a whole lot different.

*Waits for frame analysis from Kaylo*

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

What are all the negatives for Zedla? I only know two.

-Bad match ups
- And slow ground speed.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

-Bad match ups

I'm pretty sure that covers all manner of evil

 

[zeldspazz]

Add very limited aerial game to that list
And very light
And very floaty
And her Smashes can be SDIed out of
And she has the worst Heigh to Weight ratio
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[KirbyandSonicrock14]

I get all the points you made zeld. But what do you mean by heigh to weight ratio?

 

[KayLo!]

But what do you mean by heigh to weight ratio?

She's too tall for her light weight.

Taller = bigger hurtbox = bigger target = easier to hit.

Most light characters are small, which is good since they can evade moves relatively easier than bigger/taller characters.

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

Well thank you for asnwering my questions. I'll make sure to play smart with Zedla. On a sidenote who is the best Zedla atm?

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

She's too tall for her light weight.

Taller = bigger hurtbox = bigger target = easier to hit.

Most light characters are small, which is good since they can evade moves relatively easier than bigger/taller characters.

I think sheik's is a TINGE worse, but still both have HORRID ratios.

not like wario over there <_<

 

[KayLo!]

On a sidenote who is the best Zedla atm?

Uh, the best Zelda main is probably Darkmusician, although I dunno how often he uses Zelda anymore. (Maybe he'll respond and clarify that.)

But there are other players, like NinjaLink, who use her well too.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

She's too tall for her light weight.

Taller = bigger hurtbox = bigger target = easier to hit.

Most light characters are small, which is good since they can evade moves relatively easier than bigger/taller characters.

doesn't Zamus have a bad height/weight ratio too?

 

[KayLo!]

doesn't Zamus have a bad height/weight ratio too?

Yeah, but iirc, ZSS falls much faster, so she has more survivability. But.... you right, hers is bad too.

 

[Darkmusician]

Uh, the best Zelda main is probably Darkmusician, although I dunno how often he uses Zelda anymore. (Maybe he'll respond and clarify that.)

But there are other players, like NinjaLink, who use her well too.

Yes I still main Zelda.

 

[KayLo!]

Yes I still main Zelda.

Ah, okay, I was just unsure since you went predominantly MK at HSI.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

Yeah, but iirc, ZSS falls much faster, so she has more survivability. But.... you right, hers is bad too.

this is why Zelda needs to get that boob job.

anyway, what stage is best for warp canceling practice?

 

[zeldspazz]

this is why Zelda needs to get that boob job.

anyway, what stage is best for warp canceling practice?

I find Battlefield and FD to be the best, both have an object in the center to help you space it correctly.

 

[Darkmusician]

Ah, okay, I was just unsure since you went predominantly MK at HSI.

Yeah I can understand that. Probably won't do that for a long time.

 

[Half-Split Soul]

Seriously. The sweetspot simply doesn't strike a grounded opponent.

Yet she still gains all the lag of a sweetspot if she hits someone's shield with Dair. It's like the move was created to increase Zelda's vulnerability from below.

anyway, what stage is best for warp canceling practice?

I'd suggest first going to FD and learning to ledgewarp there. It's actually pretty easy since the ground has marks almost exactly where you need to activate FW and direct it completely sideways to succeed. After that go to Norfair. When you can do it there you've learned it on two stages that are probably the easiest and the hardest ones. After that just start practising it in other places, starting from those that it'll probably be the most useful (I highly recommend learning BF pretty early).

 

[zeldspazz]

Are you allowed to post online tourney results in the Zelda Tournament thread? Cus Ill be attending one soon that has normal rules, no gimmicks, just like a regular offline tourney. I also dont have access to any offline tourneys.