You may buff two characters and nerf two others. Who do you choose?

[Pika25]

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[Veggi]

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[Frown]

Buff: Ganondorf. Sonic can say "You're too slow" two times before Ganondorf reaches him if the match takes place on Final Destination.
Buff: Falcon's knee. Add thunder to it.

Nerf: Sonic. I know, he already sucks, but if he sucked even more, people outside the Smashboards might be able to admit it.
Nerf: Yoshi: His egg lay is so uber, it completely destroys the game. It 1-hit KO's everything in its way and it's completely unescapable.

 

[Pika25]

You can edit your post and add the sig in.

apparently for some reason I can't. Next time and onward that I make a post I WILL add my sig.
Edit: I finally got it.

And btw, Buffs and Nerfs?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Buff: Ganon, make him fast and have him have good matchups against snake and MK
Buff: CF, Make his knee a 1hit KO against MK and Snake. (Darn it will never hit though!)

Nerf: MK
Nerf: Snake

(for my nerfs, my buffs say it all)

 

[Regenerator]

Buff Peach: Give back Melee Peach!
Buff Ganon: Give him L-cancel

Nerf Pikmin: They should die when they get hit (even when they're just walking behind Olimar)
Nerf Pikmin: Make them scream out in agony when they get pulled out of the ground and they should attack the one that pulled them out!

 

[OmegaXXII]

Buff:

Bowser: really his D-Smash needs more power as it was in Melee, plus is flamethrower should inflict more damage.

Sonic: c'mon this can't be denied, this guy needs to inflict more damge upon hitting which IMO are weak

Nerf:

Snake: Obviously this guy does way too much, his explosives should go down a bit in explosive power as well as his jabs

King DDD: this guy's throw is a little too powerful, it should be toned down a bit

 

[DTP]

Buff Captain Falcon and Samus.

Nerf Snake and MK.

Yes, this is perfect. Although jiggz could use a boost in the everything you can possibly think of department. She is fun to use but so **** hard to win with.

and when Captain Falcon's knee connects, the screen should pause and do a 360 matrix style video thing. Ha, and none of you thought it was possible to make the coolest move in the game cooler

 

[cmpr94x]

Buff MK and Snake but nerf Yoshi and Sheik. Uber buff Bowser and Luigi.

 

[Super_Sonic8677]

Buff:Sonic,give his spindash the priority it deserves. make him faster(YES! I DID SAY FASTER!!) and make his dair spike.

Buff:Sheik,what they did to her in brawl is just rediculous.

nerf:Snake,he's a NORMAL human being! Why does he obliterate everyone with TILTS!?
nerf:jiggs more cause I hate that char.XD

 

[Puddin]

Buff Pikmin: Moar Grab Range LOLOLOL
Buff Wario: He needs a gun

Nerf Snake: Jab, Jab, Jab Jab Jab! "One more Jab and it's a federal offense" lol The Simpsons references
Nerf Olimars enemies: They all deserve to die... especially you emperor bulblax

 

[PCHU]

Buff: Lucario.
He's a REALLY good character, but let him run FAST, like his anime fast.
Give more power to his aura sphere.
Make him have less lag.
I don't care about his moves, they are perfect; JUST GIVE HIM SOME SPEED!
Gosh, that's ALL he needs to be an excellent character.
I would use him as a primary if it weren't for his slowness.

Buff: Falco.
He's not over powered by any means, and his Bthrow should have less knockback.
I hate that everything makes your foe go JUST out of your reach.
His fair needs to change.
I hate pressing that by accident, and then having him land with unnecessary lag.
His laser is perfect.
Make him have his Melee SHL.
And possibly Wolf's momentum.
That is all.

PEANUT BUTTER NERFIN' TIME!

Nerf: Kirby.
Most of you are like 'Lolwut?', but I have good reason.
De-power his fsmash.
That is crap, and it kills easily.
AT 80%!
That's stupid, along with his recovery.
It's broken enough, and adding the hammer's help sucks.
ALSO, it swings TWICE.
I've died like three times because of that.
It's crap.
His rock drop is absurdly broken.
Sure, it's predictable, but it's like Snake's tilts.
Range that kills.
And he can hammer out of this.
That's why Ike has his utaunt.
AND HE SUCKS!
RLY!
I know it isn't THAT bad, but at LEAST de-power his abilities.

Nerf: Link.
Why not Snake?
Simple.
He doesn't have an easy-to-spam fsmash.
I have lost SO many online battles thanks to his stupid fsmash stealing my kills.
They SPAM fsmash and upB.
It's horrible.
And the worst part:
THEY HAVE RANGE!!
AND PEOPLE FALL FOR IT!
Link is just annoying in general.
Every time I see a Link I know that I HAVE to kill them quickly.
Or keep them away from my kill.
It just sickens me that people can win with spam.

I would've picked Pikachu with his broken thunder and chaingrabbing, but Link caught my attention today.
Ike is fine.
Snake isn't as broken as he could be.
His hit-you-WHILE-he's-charging-his-usmash gets annoying but I can get over it.
MK is stupid powerful with his upB, but I can get around that.
It's called counter.

 

[Blackbelt]

Nerf Snake: Make his Tilts less powerful.

Nerf Dedede: Make it so he can't infinite DK, Mario, Luigi, Samus, and Bowser

Buff Captain Falcon: More Hitstun and Priority all around

Buff PT: No more autoswitching upun death.

 

[cheap_josh]

Buff Ike, he should kill more.
Also buff Game and Watch because he needs more killing moves.

Nerf Samus and Captain Falcon, they're OP.

 

[SmashBro99]

Buff - Sonic, stronger ground game, faster air game.

Buff - Captain Falcon, I want him back to how he was.

Nerf - Snake, slow tilts, weaker explosives.

Nerf - Nobody else needs to be nerfed.

 

[Heavenly Cloud]

Buff Kirby and TLink

Nerf Snake and G&W

 

[iEatPikmin]

Buff1: Ness isn't affected by the deathgrab and his PK Thunder is like Lucas's. The PK Cannonball is still the same as it is though.

Buff2: G&W make his hammers all be 6+

Nerf1: Wolf's Dsmash is non-existant...

Nerf2: Ike "lost" Ragnell.


Yes, these are very biased. I main the guys I buffed and nerfed my cousin's mains. xD

 

[PCHU]

You can't dodge Ike's sword?
His A combo, MAYBE, but everything else is simple.
And Wolf's dsmash is rather powerful.
But I don't think either of these are actually worth nerfing.

Wario is too bad.
I WOULD main him if he weren't so ugly, didn't revolve EVERYTHING around stupid things Americans think are funny, and if he didn't sound like a ******** Pokemon.
His air control is INSANE, his fsmash is broken (super armor?), and his Bike is just annoying.
He would be nerf-worthy, but using him does say something about who you are, and....I don't want to main an idiotic fartknocker.

And maining Marth does not mean you are gay by any means.
It just means you slice the crap out of anyone that CALLS you gay.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Buff: Yoshi- The fact that he is practically a joke character is plain terrible. I consider him one of my two wild card mains but he is just sooooooooo bad. X_x' Actually give his smash attacks some decent knock back, make it impossible to roll off the edge with his egg roll or at least make it like Jigglypuff's roll out so that you're not completely SOL if you mess up, give him super armor when he throws eggs and increase the height he flies when he does it in the air, less lag on his grabs if they whiff (like Olimar), give his ground pound more punch, make him almost as floatly as Wario or Jigglypuff, let his tongue be used as a tether recovery, etc.

Buff: I would say Mario here but I don't know if I'd want to sacrifice how he's always been a very well rounded character with a decent learning curve. Instead, I'm going to say Samus. The fact that ZSS is better than herself when she's in a freakin' powersuit is beyond ********. Increase the knockback of... heck, all her attacks, make the missles faster, have less lag on her grabs if they wiff, increase the height of the screw attack, and give her bair longer reach.

Nerf: ROB- For God's sake, only like 5 people actually wanted him, he's widely hated, and he hasn't had a true game in more than 20 years and yet he's like the 4th/5th best character in the game? Are you kidding me? His recovery is absurd and should be at least halved, the gyro should have less knockback, give him a different Bair as not to make his recovery even more nuts, and at least make it possible to smash DI out of his Dsmash like Zelda's Usmash and Pikachu's Dsmash.

Nerf: It's really hard for me to pinpoint just one person so I'll name what I have a problem with some of the top/high tier characters.

Metaknight- Lessen the speed of most of his attacks especially his Dsmash. It's a godsend that Brawl DOESN'T have a lot of hitstun because if it did Metaknight would be unstoppable and break the game. Also decrease the insane amount of knockback his shuttle loop has.

Snake- The fact that his tilts and jab are stronger than his smash attacks is stupid. It's also nuts that Snake's ftilt has the same length as Link's Fsmash and comes out twice as fast. Overall just decrease the range and knockback of his tilts.

King Dedede- Oddly enough, I actually don't mind the chain grabs aside from the standing infinites against Mario, Luigi, Samus, DK, and Bowser. Get rid of those and decrease the power of Gordos (honestly, there are few things more frustrating then losing a close match at like 60%-70% because of a random Gordo that eats your shield).

Marth- Get rid of the infinite he has against Ness. Seriously, a trained monkey could do it and it really pisses me off. Thankfully, Ness is actually doing decent at tournaments despite it.

 

[PCHU]

I call Ness pummel cheap, and I main Marth.
There's a difference between skill and an easy win, and Ness pummel is just wrong.
I mean, sure, it's useful, but it's crap that it's so easy to do.
Do whatever you can to win, spam, edgehog, juggle, combo, meteor, whatever, but don't be overly cheap.
And besides, I like Ness.


But more characters for the NERF FACTOR.

ROB:
I agree.
I hate him.
I didn't ask for a stupid robot with the most annoying victory poses.
I wanted freakin' Krystal, Vaati, Rundas, ANYONE but the DUMBEST CHARACTER Sakurai could've picked.
And look at this.
He made the freak powerful.
WHY?!
Because Sakurai has a poor sense of character humor.
Take away his insane recovery, his B, his gyro, and basically all of his add-on attacks.
There, we have what he was SUPPOSED to be - An oversized toy that smacks the crap out of you.

Personally, Pichu would've been a GREAT addition.
But they add ROB and King Dededededededededededededede?
Dede?
Dededuhde.
That's crazy!


And more:
Metaknut, AKA 'bite me'.
He is just too fast to be that effective.
And he is SO easy to spam with.
I was going to main him, but I knew that even BEFORE the game came out that something was going to be up with him, and that too many people would choose him and disappoint decent players with spam.
His side B is like a thinner Mach Tornado.
That stinks, because it's easy to use, and it's effective.
And his usmash.
I have died to 2 Metaknights in SD who boosted this.
His fsmash I have no problem with.
But seriously.
Sakurai is weird.

I know WHY King De(x OVER 9000!) is so good.
It's the character that Sakurai voiced.
Thus he made a character who could chaingrab, kill at low percentages, and completely dominate in 4-way Brawls.
Also, he loves randomness (we see that in waddle dee toss).
And also, it's called waddle dee toss, not HOLY CRAP IT'S AN EXPLODING CAPSULE! toss.
RLY, I almost died because King D threw one out of nowhere.
Good thing I know when to dodge.

 

[comboking]

Buff, Give Ike marths speed

nerf,give marth Ikes speed

nerf,take out toon link and put in Roy. cause Roy is the only character that could wavedash http://youtube.com/watch?v=JP7Tks0Jvmk

I owned this thread

 

[Proud_Smash_N00b]

I'd use both buffs on Captain Falcon.
The end result: He is faster than Sonic, has a projectile like Falco's laser, can combo with his aerials, his up-b has super armor frames the entire time, his knee KOs on a medium-sized stage at 40%, his Falcon Punch is an instant kill, his dthrow is a chain throw on all characters which combos into knee, he doesn't normally die until upwards of 250%, his down-b and side-b also act as reflectors, and his smashes can not be out-prioritized. Oh, and if you try to ban him from tournaments, he jumps out of the TV and breaks your Wii.

I'd nerf Sonic and Lucas.

QFT hahahaha

D-throw would be impossible to DI out of. The Knee would always have high KB with the lightning. Falcon Punch 2x faster. etc.

 

[comboking]

Ike Fsmash as fast as marths

 

[White Pikmin]

Nerf: Sonic and snake, boths final smash do too much damage

Buff: Peach and Mario: peahc's final smash sucks, and mario istoo awesome not to get one

 

[AmigoOne]

Buff
Nerf: Link.
Why not Snake?
Simple.
He doesn't have an easy-to-spam fsmash.
I have lost SO many online battles thanks to his stupid fsmash stealing my kills.
They SPAM fsmash and upB.
It's horrible.
And the worst part:
THEY HAVE RANGE!!
AND PEOPLE FALL FOR IT!
Link is just annoying in general.
Every time I see a Link I know that I HAVE to kill them quickly.
Or keep them away from my kill.
It just sickens me that people can win with spam.

You are ********, wtf. Winning with spam? Ever played Ike or Wolf online?
Link is like one of the worst characters in brawl

 

[Tomkraven]

Buff: Captain falcon - more range, a couple of faster moves, no tripping with side-b
Buff : ganondorf- more range, more speed but not so heavy. better air speed and faster attacks

Nerf: Mk- less running speed. not so spammable moves, whorenado dont outpriorise everything.
Nerf: Snake - reduce the range of his ftilt and uptilt. no more snake dash. no more under the platform explosions

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

buff captain falcon
nerf dedede's chainthrow. seriously i want to play dk

 

[Shy Guy 86]

Buff:

Captain Falcon: Give him the old knee hitbox, make his recovery him riding his car and at superfast speed(a buffed Diddy recovery) Falcon Pawnch an instant kill, make his FS a Landmaster but with him driving his car, make his d-air the only spike, give him more grab range, make the Side B have superarmor, more range, faster moves.

Jigglypuff: Bring the crown back, make Sing useful, make her faster and faster smashes and better moves overall, and we need Ninjapuff(the melee green one, thats what I called her ) but in a different color bandana and puffking, and the down-b rest.

Falco: Make his FireBird a bit shorter than Fox' but can turn and cause damage as much as the firefox, make his f-air like Fox' SSB64 one with no lag, give him the melee d-tilt killing power, give Down Smash KO power and make F-Smash kill earlier and can kill from the tip, make the black colour not wear brown.

Nerf:

G&W: Make his turtle weaker, make his Down-Smash weaker and unspammable, make all his smashes weaker, make his recovery worse.

Marth: Make him much weaker, make him sound girly and have peach's jabs.

Sonic: Make him trip all the time, make him slower than captain falcon make his up-b worse. and when he uses his FS he gets hurt all the time, just improve his colour(green fur sonic ftw).

Change:

Yoshi: Make his Side-B a recovery, give him stronger attacks.

Ganon: Give him a better recovery.

 

[hippochinfat!!]

Nerf-Captain Falcon: Less priority, slower running speed, take away knee sweetspot, make recovery edgehogable, nerf all aerials especially U-air, tons of lag, less KO power, weaker smashes, side b does not sweetspot edge and it doesn't go as far, neither does up-B, Dair is no longer a spike, lower damage for all attacks.

Nerf- Yoshi: Less priority, take away double jump super armour, make it so you can't angle eggs, nerf bair and all of his other good moves, less range, slower, worse air control, lighter, double jump shorter, less KO power, Dair and Fair are no longer spikes, no auto-cancelled aerials, lower damage for all attacks, up-b does not help recovery, side B has 0 priority now.

Buff- Snake: Give larger disjointed hitboxes for tilts, 4 grenades at once, explosives can't hurt Snake except for C4 in the air to recover, 2 C4s at once, 3 proximity mines at once, up-b gets lasts longer, give more priority, more range, F-smash stronger, aerials have no lag, d-tilt faster, faster running speed, better aerial acceleration, heavier.

Buff- Meta Knight: Give him invisible hit boxes in front of his attacks, no lag at all, F-smash is instant, all moves buffed, give him a chain throw, super armour during gliding, super armour on all smashes and aerials, faster running speed, better horizontal aerial movement speed, Dair is a spike, more priority, heavier, you can attack after B, Side B, Up B and Down B, they all have no lag.

 

[Clustercluck]

^^^ I'm glad somebody else agrees with me on how overpowered captain falcon is. I mean, really, why should anybody be able to land a uair, ever?

 

[LinkSpecialist]

Buff: Link. In all honesty, he needs a chargeable Up-B in the air. It's the only chargeable move in the game that can't do so in the air (besides Samus' Charge Shot), why? Let Link's D-tilt be an instant meteor smash, it's hard enough to hit someone airborne as it is. Also, change the D-tilt back so it has less pop-up (it had combo potential in Melee). Keep Link's Clawshot at it's range in the air, but let it extend when it attempts to grab a ledge. Fair, no?

Buff: Samus. She didn't deserve the nerf she got.

Nerf: MetaKight. Give him some lag, if any at all.

Nerf: Snake. I can't say what hasn't been already said about him.

Yes I gave Link more attention, I'm biased like that.

 

[PCHU]

Well, I think Link is good enough.
His fsmash is like really broken online, since it comes when no one sees it.
Also, Ike's fsmash.
He has a reason.
He is a powerful character, and the smash is slow.
I can handle that.
But Link hits TWICE.
UpB on the ground is crap.
It should make him rise.
I'm sick of trying to approach Link, worrying about fsmash, usmash, or upB.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

Buff: Peach. She's still very good but I do miss some of her old decent moves. Do you know how irritating it is not being able to reach and stand on the top platform of Battlefield without your laggy Up B from the ground?

Buff: Sonic. He should have been better but instead he just got rushed into things. Someone please explain how a Spin Dash (which churns up and destroys robots) gets beaten by/does not outprioritize a silly little turtle charging at you in it's shell or a primitive egg rolling into you


Nerf: Pit. Surely someone somewhere thought that giving him just about everything that's actually decent was a bit unfair


Nerf: I'd say Snake or Meta Knight because they are fairly ridiculous. But this last one goes to none other than Pikachu. Why?
His Down Smash
He STOLE PEACH'S DOWN SMASH (and gave it electricity to boot )
****ing thieving mousey ****

 

[boom-man97]

buff: all the clones (i know thats more than 2) GIVE THEM ORIGINAL MOVE SETS
nerf: ROB because i hate him and wolf because i hate him more

 

[mitchlol7]

buff: falcon (give him his gun make as fast as foxes and as much knockback as oil panic and make his combos 999 times better)
I am going to trade my second buff for geno being in maybe trade him for yoshi
Nerf:Yoshi (to make the yoshi users mad) and snake (get rid of explosives tilts and grabs so he isnt over used)

 

[LinkSpecialist]

Well, I think Link is good enough.
His fsmash is like really broken online, since it comes when no one sees it.
Also, Ike's fsmash.
He has a reason.
He is a powerful character, and the smash is slow.
I can handle that.
But Link hits TWICE.
UpB on the ground is crap.
It should make him rise.
I'm sick of trying to approach Link, worrying about fsmash, usmash, or upB.

It's true that Link is good enough combat wise, but it's his recovery that holds him back from being a great fighter.

BTW: some ways to counter some of Link's attack are:

Spin Attack: Block it, you'll be able to let go of your shield and hit him while he's still spinning.

F-Smash: Shield Grab, Even if he activates the second slash, you'll be able to grab him without too much trouble.

Also, even if he uses his F-smash twice, roll over and punish anyone who spams it.

 

[Sosuke]

Buff Toon Link and Bowser.
Nerf Snake and ROB.
(yes ROB)

 

[Noodlehead]

buff-knig dedede and meta knight, they would be so cheap that they would be illegal at tournaments
nerf-snake and ice climbers

 

[Brinzy]

Nerf Pikmin: They should die when they get hit (even when they're just walking behind Olimar)
Nerf Pikmin: Make them scream out in agony when they get pulled out of the ground and they should attack the one that pulled them out!

I laughed so hard at this.

The Spam machine 2000 recieves the second nerf.

And this.

 

[MidnightAsaph]

Nerf
Snake
Metaknight

Buff
Link
Sonic


There ya go.