Snowstalker
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I would have posted this in the Yoshi boards, but because nobody else goes there except for matchup discussion, I put it here. Please move if needed. Well, here goes:
Is Yoshi good? No, nobody's denying that. But everyone who puts him in the bottom 5 of their tier lists, why? I'll show Yoshi's performance in three impostant categories (tourney results, moveset, matchups)
TOURNEY RESULTS:
Okay, Yoshi's tourney results are pretty bad. However, he's still above 7 or so characters as of the last time I looked at the rankings.
MOVESET:
Let's start with specials.
Egg Lay is more of a LULZ UR TRAPT move than anything else. Still, it's sexy against Olimar and Ice Climbers (seperation FTW), which is probably why he does well against both.
Egg Throw is undeniably his best special. It's a nice projectile, and he can recover with it. All good Yoshis have Egg Throw as a regular part of their diet.
Egg Roll is probably his worst special, but it was buffed from Melee, and slices through Pikmin like a hot knife through Kenny.
Yoshi Bomb is bad when used in midair, but a decent kill move if done on the ground.
His grab game is great. He can chaingrab about half the cast, including the top 4 characters on the current tier list. His standing grab sucks hard, but his pivot grab is among the best in the game.
Yoshi's jab is among his best moves, and probably one of the best jabs in the game. It comes out quick, and is a great get the heck away from me move.
His up and side tilts are nothing special, but his dtilt is a great edgeguarder. His dash attack...meh.
Yoshi's up smash is a great way to end a chaingrab on certain characters, such as Wario. His fsmash is okay too, but you can't really use it on someone who just got out of your mouth. Dsmash isn't horrible, but not NEARLY as good as it was in Melee.
However, Yoshi's best moves are in the air. His bair is amazing as a damage-racker. Dair does hella damage, but can be tough to land. Fair can get a zero death on a good portion of the cast, but it should only be used if you KNOW you'll get a spike. Nair is kewl at gimping, and fun to use due to Yoshi brielfy developing elephantitis. Uair is by far and away his best kill move, getting rid of many characters at 110-120%ish.
On a side note, his recovery is actually one of the tougher ones to gimp. A good Yoshi will air dodge at the end of a flutter jump, keeping some momentum and making a footstool jump impossible.
MATCHUPS:
I already had a nice post about this somewhere else, so I'll just bring it here.
Yoshi's **** matchups? Not exactly common either. Going by our thread (it's still probably flawed, but you go by yours, so I'll go by mine), Yoshi's toughest matchups are Mr. Game & Watch (currently 35:65, highly debatable for 40:60 or 30: 70) and Marth (65:35). IMO, Lucario is also a 35 matchup. He has a slight disadvantage against everyone else in the top 3 tiers, with the exception of an even match with Diddy and maybe ROB. Yoshi mostly has slight advantages, disadvantages, and neutrals in B, C, D, and E. As for F and G, he beats Lucas, Sonic, Samus, CF, Jiggs, Ganon, and PT, goes even with Link and Mario, and has a slight disadvantage against Ness.
Again, I'll say that Yoshi is NOT good. His shield sucks too hard to be very high. Still, he is much better than bottom 5. He should be above Samus, Lucas, Ike, Mario, PT, and Ness in my opinion. I'm probably a little biased, but please SBR, at least read this post.
Is Yoshi good? No, nobody's denying that. But everyone who puts him in the bottom 5 of their tier lists, why? I'll show Yoshi's performance in three impostant categories (tourney results, moveset, matchups)
TOURNEY RESULTS:
Okay, Yoshi's tourney results are pretty bad. However, he's still above 7 or so characters as of the last time I looked at the rankings.
MOVESET:
Let's start with specials.
Egg Lay is more of a LULZ UR TRAPT move than anything else. Still, it's sexy against Olimar and Ice Climbers (seperation FTW), which is probably why he does well against both.
Egg Throw is undeniably his best special. It's a nice projectile, and he can recover with it. All good Yoshis have Egg Throw as a regular part of their diet.
Egg Roll is probably his worst special, but it was buffed from Melee, and slices through Pikmin like a hot knife through Kenny.
Yoshi Bomb is bad when used in midair, but a decent kill move if done on the ground.
His grab game is great. He can chaingrab about half the cast, including the top 4 characters on the current tier list. His standing grab sucks hard, but his pivot grab is among the best in the game.
Yoshi's jab is among his best moves, and probably one of the best jabs in the game. It comes out quick, and is a great get the heck away from me move.
His up and side tilts are nothing special, but his dtilt is a great edgeguarder. His dash attack...meh.
Yoshi's up smash is a great way to end a chaingrab on certain characters, such as Wario. His fsmash is okay too, but you can't really use it on someone who just got out of your mouth. Dsmash isn't horrible, but not NEARLY as good as it was in Melee.
However, Yoshi's best moves are in the air. His bair is amazing as a damage-racker. Dair does hella damage, but can be tough to land. Fair can get a zero death on a good portion of the cast, but it should only be used if you KNOW you'll get a spike. Nair is kewl at gimping, and fun to use due to Yoshi brielfy developing elephantitis. Uair is by far and away his best kill move, getting rid of many characters at 110-120%ish.
On a side note, his recovery is actually one of the tougher ones to gimp. A good Yoshi will air dodge at the end of a flutter jump, keeping some momentum and making a footstool jump impossible.
MATCHUPS:
I already had a nice post about this somewhere else, so I'll just bring it here.
Yoshi's **** matchups? Not exactly common either. Going by our thread (it's still probably flawed, but you go by yours, so I'll go by mine), Yoshi's toughest matchups are Mr. Game & Watch (currently 35:65, highly debatable for 40:60 or 30: 70) and Marth (65:35). IMO, Lucario is also a 35 matchup. He has a slight disadvantage against everyone else in the top 3 tiers, with the exception of an even match with Diddy and maybe ROB. Yoshi mostly has slight advantages, disadvantages, and neutrals in B, C, D, and E. As for F and G, he beats Lucas, Sonic, Samus, CF, Jiggs, Ganon, and PT, goes even with Link and Mario, and has a slight disadvantage against Ness.
Again, I'll say that Yoshi is NOT good. His shield sucks too hard to be very high. Still, he is much better than bottom 5. He should be above Samus, Lucas, Ike, Mario, PT, and Ness in my opinion. I'm probably a little biased, but please SBR, at least read this post.
