Which mid-low tier charcter has the most potential?

[t3h Icy]

G&W seriously ***** lots of people. Huge hitboxes with disjoints and one of the best jabs in the game. Long *** recovery, high priority, etc. He's like a low tier marth. He has all the killing potential he needs, great edgeguarding, great throws although a suck grab range

Roy also has Marth stuff and is faster. So he'll probably never be as good as certain characters unlike g&w but he is still better than a lot of people think.

IMO them two should be at least DK tier,possibly link tier. I think they can hold their own against high tiers much better than Kirby, bowser, dk, pichu, Zelda, and both links.

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

Luigi has tons of more potential than Roy, Y.Link and G&W imo.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Players are predictable, not characters.

If a character has seriously like 2 moves that are worth anything at all and like 2 decent ways of moving (to set up those attacks), it's really hard to be unpredictable >_>

This is basically why DK is a transparent piece of garbage.

I don't know if you were trolling or not but I don't want people to get the wrong idea from your post so I'm taking it seriously.

Yes, player can overcome some of it but ceilings are real things.

 

[Ripple]

hey, if DK get's you though, you take some serious damage

 

[j00t]

If a character has seriously like 2 moves that are worth anything at all and like 2 decent ways of moving (to set up those attacks), it's really hard to be unpredictable >_>

This is basically why DK is a transparent piece of garbage.

I don't know if you were trolling or not but I don't want people to get the wrong idea from your post so I'm taking it seriously.

Yes, player can overcome some of it but ceilings are real things.

My favorite post of this thread. I'm glad you think DK sucks ***

 

[KirbyKaze]

j00t - In all honesty, DK's frame data and hitboxes (especially on his normals) are seriously some of the most depressing things I've ever seen in my life. I look at those tiny bubbles on huge limbs and am like, "Why?" I then compare this to like Peach or even freaking Mario and I'm just like, "I don't understand."

Ripple - I guess. But it's still not nearly enough to make up for... literally everything else about him.

 

[Doser]

What are your thoughts on which character(s) have the most potential to move up KirbyKaze?

Or are you not interested/don't have strong opinions about it?

 

[KirbyKaze]

Copypasta:

If a character moves up in a revolutionary manner, it's probably not gonna be something like DK or Young Link because those kinds of characters have no shield game and unless you're ludicrously better than the opponent they really do lose to loltechspam by competent space animals. And if you're Fox you're also obligated to throw combo them periodically (which isn't really loltechspam but it blends in pretty easily).

Out of the current low tiers that basically amounts to Yoshi. His generic punishment game is kind of cute but his horrible grab and the existence of Sheik are really troublesome. I think the fact that he's really reliant on defense is also a problem. But I don't know enough about him to really say much further.

 

[Doser]

I read that, I thought you said Yoshi if you were only examining low tier characters so I wasn't sure if Yoshi would be the answer if you included the mid tiers.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

KK also thinks that Ness has a lot of potential.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Ness is garbage tier trash.

 

[slartibartfast42]

Luigi and Young Link have really good mobility options, which is essentially what fox has that makes him top tier in the first place. Young link moreso though. He's really quick, and if you play him really smart you can pull off a lot of stuff that you could with another high tier, he just doesn't have the kill options, etc.

Luigi because Vudujin.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

KK also thinks that Ness has a lot of potential.

Ness is garbage tier trash.

this sequence made me laugh. partly cause i was also personally thinking about ness having some semblance of potential

 

[slartibartfast42]

Vanz things YL has a lot of potential because he's really really good at positioning himself in the right spot.

KK, I assume you're talking about shield game as ability to shield pressure other characters, because Yoshi's OoS options are atrocious and why I never choose him.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Yoshi's shield game is phenomenal.

No shield-stun, parrying, good roll invincibility (I think?) and can't be poked.

 

[Kimimaru]

Yeah, Yoshi's roll is very good because when he's vulnerable the hurtbox is a little circle in the center that's a bit smaller than his fist. You can't play Yoshi like other characters; you have to play Yoshi like Yoshi. Once you do that you realize that not being able to jump out of shield isn't so bad after all.

 

[lordvaati]

the links, Mario, Weegee, and Roy.

 

[Warhawk]

Why Mario?

 

[standardtoaster]

scorpion master

 

[Green Ranger]

Donkey Kong has nowhere to go but UP!!

 

[boomrested]

Donkey Kong has nowhere to go but UP!!

DK is very bad at going up, actually. Up-b much?

 

[Kimimaru]

I think Mario has more potential, but I don't think Roy has much more potential than Sethlon and some other Roy players showed. His hitboxes just have too many sour spots and those sour spots are way too weak. He's also a fast faller, which ruins his otherwise decent recovery.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I'm still convinced Ness is garbage tier trash.

 

[ShroudedOne]

I feel like Ness might do ok vs Peach and maybe Marth. Don't know enough about him to care either way, however.

 

[Kal]

Ness does terribly against Marth, in my opinion.

I still think Roy has potential. >_>

 

[Ripple]

Roy has 0 potential

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

teams is where bottom and low tier characters have the most chance to shine, imo. singles is kind of a lost cause considering how much the top/high tiers are used.

 

[Rainbow]

I'm still convinced Ness is garbage tier trash.

I think most people who think Ness has potential haven't actually tried using him or played against a good Ness.

I don't really know, like, I'm terrible so good players can definitely destroy me with Ness, but it feels much different than being destroyed by other characters. It isn't like they are playing good, it's just that I'm playing awfully. He can only just wait for you to **** up big to get inside, and once he's inside it isn't even that threatening.

And if a Ness every messes up, he essentially punishes himself. Almost every whiff is 0 to death punishable unless his spacing is perfect.

He's garbage tier, but at least he has that Disney Magic swag going for him.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

His movement game on stages with platforms, combined with his fair, give him incredible safety. And while his punishing game isn't amazing, its clearly superior to the other two inarguable garbage tiers (Pichu and Kirby).

His recovery weaknesses are mitigated by better PKT control and DI to suit the situation (intentionally DI'ing away from the stage so that your opponent can't safely follow up off-stage); I'm currently trying to learn how to do a wider arc with it to last out invincibility frames.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I think most people who think Ness has potential haven't actually tried using him or played against a good Ness.

I don't really know, like, I'm terrible so good players can definitely destroy me with Ness, but it feels much different than being destroyed by other characters. It isn't like they are playing good, it's just that I'm playing awfully. He can only just wait for you to **** up big to get inside, and once he's inside it isn't even that threatening.

And if a Ness every messes up, he essentially punishes himself. Almost every whiff is 0 to death punishable unless his spacing is perfect.

He's garbage tier, but at least he has that Disney Magic swag going for him.

Ness has a decent combo game and a funky movement gimmick in DJC but nothing else. Literally nothing else.

Zelda's up tilt is the Disney Magic Swag. Ness just throws out glitter and swings when he DJs.

I get that it's more immediately painful or whatever losing to d-throw > dash attack > DJC uair > DJC uair > FJ weak nair > DJ bair (or a similar long, highly DIable combo) and that kind of thing feels really top tierish... but Ness is seriously awful. No crouch game, no shield game, no fast & quality ground moves... the list goes on. No amount of advanced work with his combo game can fix that.

 

[Vudujin]

Ness is terrible against Peach AND Marth. Peach is probably his worst nightmare for edge-guarding (just flost over him off the stage), she's just a way better bustier version of him, and Marth destroys any possible dreams of Ness successfully appraoching with his reach.

Ness's best combo is Dair > d-tilt reset until tipper range (5-7) > Charged F-smash since it works on everyone.

 

[Purpletuce]

So many silly things on this page. Yoshi has amazing untapped potential IMO, and I say that because I main Yoshi. Yoshi can kill many characters at 0% with his Dtilt gimp, has amazing DJC abilities, a unique ability to DJCC and parry, best light shield in game, very versatile projectile(but laggy and not good for edgeguarding at high % or on non-fastfallers) and can instant ledgehog. Those pros stated, he also has many huge flaws, such as no third jump, relatively easy to combo, relatively bad priority, few recovery options, inability to jump (and by extension wavedash, upsmash, or up b) out of shield, and the worst grab in the game (tether with less range than Marth's, does 4% and over 70 frames running or standing).

Also, you're asking in the OP for the posters to predict who will develop the techniques? And give a random example of Mewtwo's shadow ball. . . No. Straight up nonsense OP, but a good idea. The Toasty guy, he is wrong about Yoshi, in every way.

 

[Divinokage]

Id rather all these Yoshi's to stfu instead of saying everyone is wrong, ****ing PROVE IT. Or else gtfo with that nonsense! Theory is laughable without proof.

 

[Max?]

Agreed Kage. Yoshi this, Yoshi that. Yadda yadda yadda

Yoshi ****ing sucks

 

[Jockmaster]

Yeah this Yoshi talk is starting to get big, but we have yet to see the results.

I want to believe in the dinosaur, but I can't just yet.

 

[standardtoaster]

his dair does like 50% how can he not be good

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

in that case

ganondorf is the best in the game

 

[Cummings]

no way! falco clearly has the most untapped poten...
oh wait.

at this point in the metagame, no low tier characters have any untapped potential IMO.

people are just afraid to admit that a player is actually just really good when he plays a low tier character, so naturally they'll blame it on "untapped potential", when in reality, the player is just really good.

Example: J666

 

[Purpletuce]

I've taken matches off Zelgadis with my Yoshi in friendlies, and I've played for less than half a year and improving rapidly, that being said he is pretty rusty atm and he wins most of the time. Also, have you all seen Leffen or Angel's Yoshi? Definitely untapped potential. Regarding the claim that it is all theoretical, obviously that is what this thread is for.

 

[Max?]

This game is ****ing 10 years old, you still think there is untapped potential we haven't delved into yet?