Which mid-low tier charcter has the most potential?

[Deleted member]

doctor mario by a long shot.

 

[Bing]

Also, I think Zelda has a lot of potential, but it takes someone with a lot of patience, thinks a lot while they're playing, and can incorporate mindgames into their playstyle to use her effectively.

You know I mess around with Zelda a bit, used her in tournament and to anyone who mains her, good for you, you've got more balls than Sheik but still... hell no.

 

[Ken_Y`]

If you've ever played against abate you will know why i'm saying this. Luigi. He can move to high tier for sure.

Edit: Or Ka-master

gtfo sayin he move to high tier

his recovery is as$ hole..

yeah hes one of the better mid tiers but if n e character has the most potential

its either Doc or Pikachu, hands down

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Some would argue that his chance of a guaranteed recovery via misfire gives him a better recovery than say... Ganon.

 

[Ken_Y`]

Some would argue that his chance of a guaranteed recovery via misfire gives him a better recovery than say... Ganon.

thats is theres a misfire ...

but lets be real lets look at actual RESULTS

shroomed if i recall has placed 5th at genesis 2 and 7th at apex 2012 with Doc

axe has placed 6th at apex 2010 and has beaten awesome players w pika, even peepee

what has a player done w/ luigi ?

 

[Spyro]

thats is theres a misfire ...

but lets be real lets look at actual RESULTS

shroomed if i recall has placed 5th at genesis 2 and 7th at apex 2012 with Doc

axe has placed 6th at apex 2010 and has beaten awesome players w pika, even peepee

what has a player done w/ luigi ?

Axe paced 5th not 6th. He also placed 4th at pound V

EDIT: I just looked it up and shrommed placed 6th but close enough (on both of those).

 

[Rainbow]

To be fair the title is "potential" and not "results".

However I do think that if Luigi was secretly high tier he'd have some more impressive wins, but it could very easily be that people have been playing him wrong for a long time or Luigi mains just haven't gotten lucky yet.

The problem with D tiers moving up to C tier is all the C tier characters are pretty good, and certaintly no worse than any of the D tiers (some argue Ganon definitely is) . I would like to see maybe just an expanded B tier to accommodate the high-mid tiers and then move Pika and Luigi up to C, but it's still pretty arbitrary that way.

In the end the tier list is just arbitrary. I mean, you have Olimar moving up 6 slots in brawl. A character doesn't actually change when he moves up in the tier list; if Doc and Pika were moved to E tier, Shroomed and Axe would still ****. If you think a character has potential, then his place on the tier list should not matter to you.

 

[Jockmaster]

Luigi just seems like his main strengths just aren't strong enough. Characters like Doc and Pika just seem like high tier characters in terms of strength with just huge weaknesses, as opposed to Luigi who has no glaring weaknesses, just no real gamechanging strengths. I feel that Young Link is the only character that fits in the former category that is currently "low tier".

Also, Ganon *****. Anyone who thinks he is anything less than a **** train should put down the controller and never play smash again.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Um... what?

Pikachu has no glaring weaknesses, Luigi does.

 

[anupunu637]

good to know that i must say it is nice and informative share

 

[ShroudedOne]

Marth has a lot of potential to move up.

 

[Eggm]

Luigi's recovery is pretty good if the user is good at mashing down + B. Definitely better than docs. Abate moved to pittsburgh just when he started getting good, and Ka-master to hawaii, but i've played both of them and luigi is a really scary character. I think with the right person (with a high skill level) put some serious time into luigi and lived in a good area, you guys would change your mind about his potential, just like you probably did when axe started ****** with pikachu.

 

[Fregadero]

Marth has a lot of potential to move up.

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[Kal]

Golden. Justice. Roy.

 

[Eggm]

Roy blows lol. Him ness or kirby are definitely the worst in the game.

 

[Max?]

As someone who uses Doc and Luigi ALOT, Doc's recovery is better than Luigi's. Luigis recovery is pretty ****ing horrendous if he doesn't get a misfire. I think Luigi has a ton of potential, and Doc is a high tier character and shouldn't be included in this list.

Carry on.


Also




Space Animal bair

 

[Rainbow]

Luigi can get the most vertical movement with his down b IIRC.

 

[Vudujin]

Luigi's recovery is better than Doc's even without a misfire. More mix-up potential, you can actually position yourself with it for a safe return, and it's just plain cooler. Not better by a great degree, but better.

Doc's too damn fat.

Luigi, Ganon, Doc, and Mario for most potential.

 

[Max?]

I'm just mad cause I never ever ever get misfires. PC can attest to this. My ratio is easily like 1/50

 

[Spyro]

I'm pretty sure Luigi misfires a little over 10% of the time.

 

[Doser]

What does that have to do with anything? He's clearly saying that he's unlucky.

 

[Jockmaster]

I thought it was 1/8, roughly 12.5%

 

[Deleted member]

As someone who uses Doc and Luigi ALOT, Doc's recovery is better than Luigi's. Luigis recovery is pretty ****ing horrendous if he doesn't get a misfire. I think Luigi has a ton of potential, and Doc is a high tier character and shouldn't be included in this list.

I think doc's recovery is better too on the basis that sometimes with different DI you just don't need it. Doc's "survival" DI is closer to straight up than most characters. Doc is rarely killed off the top, so what would be suboptimal DI for him is perfectly acceptable even against the likes of fox. doc can add value to his recovery without the need for mix-ups, something luigi can rarely do.

 

[ShroudedOne]

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What? You don't think Marth could be better? It'll just take a really good play, like Sethlon with Roy, or Vman/Leffen with Yoshi, to bring him out of his pitiful placing.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Also, Ganon *****. Anyone who thinks he is anything less than a **** train should put down the controller and never play smash again.

Ganondorf is bad. We ganondorf mains need to come to terms with this.

luigi and doc for sure.

 

[standardtoaster]

I thought it was 1/8, roughly 12.5%

Yes, it is a 1 out of 8 chance to get a misfire.

 

[Bing]

I'm pretty sure Luigi misfires a little over 10% of the time.

I thought it was 1/8, roughly 12.5%

For some reason I found this amusing...

And yes, Marth just needs better players behind him, I mean M2K is the best we've got.. and he alternates using him with Sheik...

 

[Max?]

I think doc's recovery is better too on the basis that sometimes with different DI you just don't need it. Doc's "survival" DI is closer to straight up than most characters. Doc is rarely killed off the top, so what would be suboptimal DI for him is perfectly acceptable even against the likes of fox. doc can add value to his recovery without the need for mix-ups, something luigi can rarely do.

Agreed. While Vudujin is clearly way more qualified to talk about Luigi's recovery than myself, I still feel it's absolutely horrendous. Whenever I play against someone who know's the matchup like Sol, I just feel like I die anytime I'm offstage.

Also, Ganon is awful

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

i always facepalm when people claim him to be good

 

[j00t]

My glaring bias is going to show here.

Game and Watch.

I actually have reasons for this but I'm too tired to post them tonight. I'll let others give potential reasons for this but I have a pretty good explanation saved for this topic. See you tomorrow.

 

[Doser]

Why bother posting then?

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Because he's going to update his post with reasons, aka why he posted.

 

[KingofCereal]

I agree with Gdubs. He can be so fast. Awesome wavedash, strong aerials (L-cancelling is for ****ies), a good launcher in dtilt, powerful smashes, and more than a touch of randomness just to keep it interesting. If only he didn't have such glaring flaws.

 

[j00t]

I agree with Gdubs. He can be so fast. Awesome wavedash, strong aerials (L-cancelling is for ****ies), a good launcher in dtilt, powerful smashes, and more than a touch of randomness just to keep it interesting. If only he didn't have such glaring flaws.

His glaring flaws are what I am going to elaborate on, mainly his defensive capabilities.

@Doser: lol?

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

One of the best G&W players, Kuya, has demonstrated many times that he can be used at a high level by going toe to toe with Florida's best. I concur with j00t mainly because I play him often myself.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

According to Youtube, he only plays against two no-name players over a year ago.

I like his use of down smash though.

 

[Roche_CL]

Doc = Samus > Pika > DK = Luigi

I remember back in the day when Bum went and won against Try Hard Isai, played like a genius. DK's UpB oos is so much ****, but is just so difficult and risky that doesn't make him a good choice. He can juggle many chars, specially Fastfallers, and can get easy kills out of grabs, has a great grab range so its not that hard (compared to ness's D.
Its just...his sheild, spot dodge, so big and comboable, u_u.

 

[Ripple]

me and you had the same idea grim. immediately look on youtube

 

[j00t]

According to Youtube, he only plays against two no-name players over a year ago.

I like his use of down smash though.

Videos do not tell the whole story most of the time.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Does anyone have tournament results to back him up with then?

I'd checked SSBDB, but I assume its still down.

Ripple: Dat youtube metagame