DrkRoxas
Smash Apprentice
OMG since this post I imagine every character as a climber's kind, which one would be more broken???
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Which is More Broken? #1
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Pengie
Smash Lord
Probably Fox. Aside from all of his stupid Fox stuff I could see some lulzy desynced grab with one -> drill with the other.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
uhhh no
Falco easy
Laser spam --> grab --> infinite --> next stock
Falco's biggest issues are his inability to do a simple KO combo (like u-throw uair, d-throw fair), mobility, and his lousy defense (when he's grabbed/knocked down)
Having two of him solves ALL of these
Can't grab him because 2 of him and shines
Mobility of everyone else gets ***** by ridiculous laser spam
2 of him enable IC style grab-smash combos for easy KOs at high percents in addition to infinites and other nonsense; having 2 of him enable his throws to setup autocombos and infinites so his ability to force people into block so easily becomes like a huge asset
His pressure is obviously enhanced
yaddy yaddy yadda
Pretty much anyone that can get grabs is going to be good as 2 characters
Or anyone with fast, ranged moves
Falco sort of combines this because lasers are his ranged move LOLOLOL
Falco easy
Laser spam --> grab --> infinite --> next stock
Falco's biggest issues are his inability to do a simple KO combo (like u-throw uair, d-throw fair), mobility, and his lousy defense (when he's grabbed/knocked down)
Having two of him solves ALL of these
Can't grab him because 2 of him and shines
Mobility of everyone else gets ***** by ridiculous laser spam
2 of him enable IC style grab-smash combos for easy KOs at high percents in addition to infinites and other nonsense; having 2 of him enable his throws to setup autocombos and infinites so his ability to force people into block so easily becomes like a huge asset
His pressure is obviously enhanced
yaddy yaddy yadda
Pretty much anyone that can get grabs is going to be good as 2 characters
Or anyone with fast, ranged moves
Falco sort of combines this because lasers are his ranged move LOLOLOL
Kyu Puff
Smash Champion
What if double Fox gets a quick advantage with lasers, desynchs, and hides behind shine until Falco approaches?
Double Samus would be pretty scary, but less potent than Falco/Fox. She would still have a good oos option to escape their shield pressure, along with stupid stuff like missile -> extender or just desynched extenders -> infinite.
Double Samus would be pretty scary, but less potent than Falco/Fox. She would still have a good oos option to escape their shield pressure, along with stupid stuff like missile -> extender or just desynched extenders -> infinite.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
Aight what if u could have a desynched character of any kind follow u around and follow the same rules that the IC do.
so u pick GW but u can pick anyone else to be ur nana except GW.
what team would u pick?
IVe got two in mind already lol
ur still vs a single opponent tho for some reason lol
so u pick GW but u can pick anyone else to be ur nana except GW.
what team would u pick?
IVe got two in mind already lol
ur still vs a single opponent tho for some reason lol
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
If you get 2 characters pick Falco and Fox probably
Grab Rest isn't that glamorous when you have infinites anyway
Grab Rest isn't that glamorous when you have infinites anyway
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
yea that would prob be one of the bests.
Just to be non conventional Id pick m2 because of his nair and shadowball would be a good fox lead it. Also the grab/shadowball charge infinite.
Id try pikachu as well. jab infinite.
if thosed turned out dumb then Id also go fox falco
Just to be non conventional Id pick m2 because of his nair and shadowball would be a good fox lead it. Also the grab/shadowball charge infinite.
Id try pikachu as well. jab infinite.
if thosed turned out dumb then Id also go fox falco
slartibartfast42
Smash Lord
Ice climbers as 2 characters. There are 4 of them now. Chaos ensues.
Anyways, for a team of 2 different characters I'd have to go with falco/marth? Looks good to me. laser with that sword. Maybe falco/pika for grab infinites/really good B projectile approach. You send the shock along the ground and then they have to jump over it or block it, but you shoot a laser where they can jump and have pika grab you if you block, pika dthrows into falco grabbing, then you do a jab/pummel infinite into pikachu's upsmash.
Anyways, for a team of 2 different characters I'd have to go with falco/marth? Looks good to me. laser with that sword. Maybe falco/pika for grab infinites/really good B projectile approach. You send the shock along the ground and then they have to jump over it or block it, but you shoot a laser where they can jump and have pika grab you if you block, pika dthrows into falco grabbing, then you do a jab/pummel infinite into pikachu's upsmash.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
oh right i forgot marth exists.
falco marth might be better than falco fox then just because of the bigger range.
falco marth might be better than falco fox then just because of the bigger range.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
So would you have falco as your controlled and marth as the follow or marth as the controlled and falco as the follower
VA
Smash Hero
a) fox with multiple jumps
b) falco with multiple jumps
b) falco with multiple jumps
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
Everyone has multiple jumps lol
*P*L*U*R*
Smash Hero
Okay, how about this?
Peach with Falco's shine.
Any small holes in Falco's shield pressure due to him actually having to jump during Dair-> Shine is immediately negated because PEach can IFC Aerial into a Shine, jumpcancel the shine into another IFC.
So basically, FCNAir -> Shine -> grab/FCNAir/etc
Also, if she lands a hit, she'll have a free Aerial followup, setting up for edgeguards.
Not to mention, if she has a bob-omb or stitchface in her hand, its inconsequential to her pressure because she can still pressure your shield and GOD FORBID YOU ROLL OUT OF IT OR GET HIT BY THE SHINE. Shine sends you upwards and she JC's the shine into an Upthrow lololol
Also, Ice Climbers blow. The only reason they are decent is because there are two of them. I'm fairly certain that two Bowsers would be a better char than Icies.
Peach with Falco's shine.
Any small holes in Falco's shield pressure due to him actually having to jump during Dair-> Shine is immediately negated because PEach can IFC Aerial into a Shine, jumpcancel the shine into another IFC.
So basically, FCNAir -> Shine -> grab/FCNAir/etc
Also, if she lands a hit, she'll have a free Aerial followup, setting up for edgeguards.
Not to mention, if she has a bob-omb or stitchface in her hand, its inconsequential to her pressure because she can still pressure your shield and GOD FORBID YOU ROLL OUT OF IT OR GET HIT BY THE SHINE. Shine sends you upwards and she JC's the shine into an Upthrow lololol
Also, Ice Climbers blow. The only reason they are decent is because there are two of them. I'm fairly certain that two Bowsers would be a better char than Icies.
Devil Ray
Smash Lord
i'm telling you, fox with the same laser speed but with falco's hit stun would be ****. raaaaaaaaaaaaape
VA
Smash Hero
*P*L*U*R*
Smash Hero
Everyone with infinite jumps means falco is the best character in the game.
Dair -> shine -> shine -> lololol shine urded
Dair -> shine -> shine -> lololol shine urded
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
with infinite jumps definitely falco. just try to shine people off top
fox with uair is no laughing mater
marth could be good or pikachu.
but edge guarding would be hella different
fox with uair is no laughing mater
marth could be good or pikachu.
but edge guarding would be hella different
Fletch
Smash Master
I've always wondered which character would be best with Peach's float and FCs. Immediately think of space animals though.
VA
Smash Hero
I actually was thinking like 6 jumps. I dunno.
Dr_Strangelove
Smash Journeyman
I'd say marth. floating offstage with dair... float cancellted fairs... :D
I'd love to see fox with falco's shine. uthrow -> shine -> uair.
Rykard
Smash Ace
i wanna see wigglytuff
PB&J
Smash Hero
imo icys wavedash is the best in the game.
icys are tied with fox with the quickest jump(4 frames) in the game.
can u even imagine nana waveshining..it will only take like 2 seconds for them to waveshine someone off the stage with how far they go with there wavedash.
the desyncs- i cant even explain how **** they would be..i can ice block with popo while throwing nana off the stage with a shine.
i can up be oos with nana near the ledge,shine spike ,then grab the ledge..icy already are really great characters and since thier fast jumping alone would make nana's shine so ****..but even better is
POPO AND NANA WITH SHINE=2 SHINES..
idk.jumple cancel rest would be broke though but her jump isnt as fast..still broken
other things i thought of was
1.marth with a wall jump and can kick
2-yoshi with a better up b and jump oos
3.link with the same speed as marth/shiek and maybe a few moves of a few less lag
4.Mario with ganon strength
5.shiek that can teleport anywhere behind you (replacing her forward b) her stupid up b made me thing of this
6.Mewtwo that can fly(my favorite)
just my thoughts
icys are tied with fox with the quickest jump(4 frames) in the game.
can u even imagine nana waveshining..it will only take like 2 seconds for them to waveshine someone off the stage with how far they go with there wavedash.
the desyncs- i cant even explain how **** they would be..i can ice block with popo while throwing nana off the stage with a shine.
i can up be oos with nana near the ledge,shine spike ,then grab the ledge..icy already are really great characters and since thier fast jumping alone would make nana's shine so ****..but even better is
POPO AND NANA WITH SHINE=2 SHINES..
idk.jumple cancel rest would be broke though but her jump isnt as fast..still broken
other things i thought of was
1.marth with a wall jump and can kick
2-yoshi with a better up b and jump oos
3.link with the same speed as marth/shiek and maybe a few moves of a few less lag
4.Mario with ganon strength
5.shiek that can teleport anywhere behind you (replacing her forward b) her stupid up b made me thing of this
6.Mewtwo that can fly(my favorite)
just my thoughts
PB&J
Smash Hero
..............................................sorry
DrkRoxas
Smash Apprentice
If ganon had the knee that would be so imba
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
Mewtwo with no startup on his teleport, could teleport 3 times b4 landing, didnt go into special fall until after 3rd teleport didnt lose 2nd jump when teleporting.
teleport into a neutral air without landing or anything
teleport into a neutral air without landing or anything
Pengie
Smash Lord
This stuff about having a second character follow you around made me wonder; If you could have a second character be a Marvel type assist what character would it be and what move would they use?
makoforce
Smash Ace
sheik with infinte needles and falcos shine with foxes shine frame data
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_lemons
Smash Journeyman
running out of needles is my least favorite part about sheik 
Doc King
Smash Lord
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Since these both don't exist in Melee, I would say neither. But...
If these techniques were actually possible or put into this game, then I would go with A) because if you think of it, Puff's rest has invincibility frames in it, and if you have the ability to jump cancel it to another rest over and over, you could use it to be invincible forever (similar to Meta Knight's infinite dimensional cape) and you can use it for major stalling and would most likely get banned from tournaments.
With B) it could be either Falco type where it's not broken or even that useful at all or Fox type where it can be pretty useful and can infinite, but would require a lot of practice in tourney play, since you will have to desynch to do it.
If these techniques were actually possible or put into this game, then I would go with A) because if you think of it, Puff's rest has invincibility frames in it, and if you have the ability to jump cancel it to another rest over and over, you could use it to be invincible forever (similar to Meta Knight's infinite dimensional cape) and you can use it for major stalling and would most likely get banned from tournaments.
With B) it could be either Falco type where it's not broken or even that useful at all or Fox type where it can be pretty useful and can infinite, but would require a lot of practice in tourney play, since you will have to desynch to do it.
DippnDots
Feral Youth
did you really just say falco's shine isn't that useful, or do you mean if nana had a shine?
X1-12
Smash Champion
I can't wait to see when HBox posts Which is More Broken? #2
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ooh, I know the answer!
what is Directional Influence?
ru5514n
Smash Ace
Nah, Falco has pretty good jumps already, and if he had an infinite amount of them, I don't think DI would be much help.
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di to the side.
amount of jumps < ability to reach horizontal location of opponent.
PS you can't DI an upward sending move upward <_<
amount of jumps < ability to reach horizontal location of opponent.
PS you can't DI an upward sending move upward <_<
A Pimp Named Slickback
Smash Lord
Infinite Jumps would actually mean Jiggs would be the best character in the game.
DippnDots
Feral Youth
falco could just hit you with a laser then jump stall, since jumping past the ceiling doesn't KO you ;0
ru5514n
Smash Ace
No, but it does give you like 1% per second lol.
Edit: You could still get the opponent to 151% and THEN infinite jump stall (hoop damage stops at 150). But at that damage, it's better to just KO the opponent lol