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Which is More Broken? #1
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Old Manondorf
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Can I start a new question? Prease?
Which is more broken?
A) All of Marth's smash attacks and his standing grab each have a 50% increase in range .
OR
B) Falcon Punch has half as much start-up lag, the knee never flubs, and the knee deals 25-26% (not counting stale move negation).
Which is more broken?
A) All of Marth's smash attacks and his standing grab each have a 50% increase in range .
OR
B) Falcon Punch has half as much start-up lag, the knee never flubs, and the knee deals 25-26% (not counting stale move negation).
_lemons
Smash Journeyman
I'm a little late on this, but does anyone else think Jigglypuff would be better with shine? (not better as in a better character, but better as in a more manageable matchup against most characters... so worse? I guess? 
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hungrybox
Smash Legend
Jiggs with Shine isn't that good.
MooseEatsBear
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Yes. She would be worse. So it would be better for us.I'm a little late on this, but does anyone else think Jigglypuff would be better with shine? (not better as in a better character, but better as in a more manageable matchup against most characters... so worse? I guess?
Rykard
Smash Ace
Just in case nobody's seen these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19MqEt9r_NI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJmBPiQqMok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19MqEt9r_NI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJmBPiQqMok
Dragoon Fighter
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Then jigs with da lazar.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
wobbling
10wobblings
10wobblings
CableCho57
Smash Lord
More like
puffs bairs as strong as falcns knee
or falcons knee as strong as a puffs rest
puffs bairs as strong as falcns knee
or falcons knee as strong as a puffs rest
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
You guys should clarify if damage is being modified or not
That affects things like shield stun, which is very important
That affects things like shield stun, which is very important
Devil Ray
Smash Lord
don't know what i think is **MORE** broken...but here are some ideas:
fox with falco's lazers---****
sheik with marth's up throw---awesome
samus with a charge shot was always charged for 25% damage lol. that'd be ****
now that i think about it, every character in the game would be massive **** with fox's shine. grabs are so good, almost all the chars would instantly become so friggin good
fox with falco's lazers---****
sheik with marth's up throw---awesome
samus with a charge shot was always charged for 25% damage lol. that'd be ****
now that i think about it, every character in the game would be massive **** with fox's shine. grabs are so good, almost all the chars would instantly become so friggin good
unknown522
Some guy
KirbyKaze again
Fox with Luigi's Nair
vs.
Falcon with Peach's Dash Attack
Fox with Luigi's Nair
vs.
Falcon with Peach's Dash Attack
Beat!
Smash Master
It will be hard to perform windmill of fury with peach's dash attack.
LLDL
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Yeah those are just move swaps. Not actually giving characters other moves.
makoforce
Smash Ace
marth with shine
or
Puffs bair gets marth fsmash range
or
Puffs bair gets marth fsmash range
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
double sheik or G&Ws would be so broken. think of de-synced f-tilts as sheik WTF? it would last forever and before it ends another f-tilt comes clovering even more range. G&W has longer lasting tilts that are more disjointed and junk.
double sheik would the most broken thing on the ground.
but how would sheik do vs fox with falco laser stun?
double sheik would the most broken thing on the ground.
but how would sheik do vs fox with falco laser stun?
makoforce
Smash Ace
Peach that only pulls stitch faces or fox with knee and stomp
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
What would be more broken.
Falco with a Knee?
or
Fox with Marth's f-smash?
Falco with a Knee?
or
Fox with Marth's f-smash?
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
the only reason knee would be too much for falco is because of the sheild stun.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
falco with knee is better
all you guys keep saying ranged character + shine but shine is a close range tool primarily and a lot of these characters don't have the potential to pressure in the same way fox/falco do because of their floaty physics, lack of good aerial for it, etc.
this is why it's not that good on puff and marth. it doesn't address their main issues as characters, which are usually mobility related or they're missing something for KO potential or something
one of falco's major issues is his lack of reliable KO move he can combo into on the fly, without effort like a 2-step (see: fox u-throw uair, sheik d-throw fair)
giving him a good throw (like, say, Sheik's D-throw), and the Knee solves a lot of problems for him because it enhances his grab game (which is comparatively weaker than the other top tiers, despite his ability to procure opportunities for grabs because of his gun), augments his strengths (pressure, aforementioned ability to procure grabs, non-grab combo potential) and gives him a reliable kill move he can fit into a combo easily, or throw out on occasion with significant less risk than like f-smash or whatever.
all you guys keep saying ranged character + shine but shine is a close range tool primarily and a lot of these characters don't have the potential to pressure in the same way fox/falco do because of their floaty physics, lack of good aerial for it, etc.
this is why it's not that good on puff and marth. it doesn't address their main issues as characters, which are usually mobility related or they're missing something for KO potential or something
one of falco's major issues is his lack of reliable KO move he can combo into on the fly, without effort like a 2-step (see: fox u-throw uair, sheik d-throw fair)
giving him a good throw (like, say, Sheik's D-throw), and the Knee solves a lot of problems for him because it enhances his grab game (which is comparatively weaker than the other top tiers, despite his ability to procure opportunities for grabs because of his gun), augments his strengths (pressure, aforementioned ability to procure grabs, non-grab combo potential) and gives him a reliable kill move he can fit into a combo easily, or throw out on occasion with significant less risk than like f-smash or whatever.
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
you'd break more sheilds than ever before
slartibartfast42
Smash Lord
Hungrybox, you do realize that Jiggs is invulnerable until frame 27 when she uses rest, right? JC rest so broken. Why not give BOTH climbers shine, jiggs would still be more broken.
What I've always wondered is which character would do best with falco's lasers. Now mind you, it replaces their neutral B (most characters have almost worthless neutral b's anyways), and on fox it would be just as slow, so he could only do one in a jump. I'm thinking peach if she could do it out of float... Maybe jiggs or fox.
What I've always wondered is which character would do best with falco's lasers. Now mind you, it replaces their neutral B (most characters have almost worthless neutral b's anyways), and on fox it would be just as slow, so he could only do one in a jump. I'm thinking peach if she could do it out of float... Maybe jiggs or fox.
Crazy Cloud
Smash Journeyman
Let me try
A) Marth with Falco's Lasers (Marth retains his fall speed, laser mechanics stay the same)
or
B) Fox's gun shoots Sheik's needles
A) Marth with Falco's Lasers (Marth retains his fall speed, laser mechanics stay the same)
or
B) Fox's gun shoots Sheik's needles
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
fox would be worse with needles
Crazy Cloud
Smash Journeyman
slartibartfast42
Smash Lord
both of those combinations would set up for kills so well... laser>fsmash, needle>usmash anyone? I'm going to have to say fox though since he has more options for following up on the projectiles more quickly I think.
Kyu Puff
Smash Champion
I would definitely take Peach's dash attack. Falcon would be able to force people into the air more easily with his ground speed and dash attack/grab mix-up, or he could dd camp until they commit to a sh/descending aerial and punish. It would also give him an easier way to start combos on other fastfallers. Luigi's n-air on Fox... seems kind of unnecessary. Maybe you could explain that one...
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Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous.
Falcon/Sheik with Falco's shine is about the only "x character with a shine" thing I've found decent.
A 1 frame jumpcancelable move that hits all around your body? Even if you can't combo out of it it's still a great move. Only character I can think of who wouldn't want it is Jiggs because of rest and arguably Ganon due to recovery issues. Not saying it's broken but it's far superior than the fast mayority of downBs.
Edit: Zelda doesn't want it either i guess...
On that note, which two characters would benefit most from having a transform system between them? Assume the tranform button doesn't mess with any existing moves. Otherwise it's exactly the same as the sheik/zelda system.
Here Rests A Cemetery
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hungrybox
Smash Legend
Falcon with Falco's Shine
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Riddle
Smash Lord
A) Falcon actually used his gun to shoot falco lasers
B) Ganon actually used his sword from barwl
B) Ganon actually used his sword from barwl
thesage
Smash Hero
Fox with Peach's d-smash
MooseEatsBear
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A.
Falcon with lasers like that? running SH laser would be crazy. And laser to knee? I'd die on the inside.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
Id give m2 rest. or shine.
basically upthrow into rest with m2 would work Well since m2 is ****ing huge. Also dj c fair into shine grab or shine nair would ****.
Also downthrow into tech chase rest or if possible keep disable into rest.
id rather have foxs shine since waveshine into dtilt is ****. and it would extend m2s edgeguards like quick aerial turn arounds.
omg. jump out of shine into fc sb would ****. or jc shine into teleport.
1 Push of down and B
2 rest comes out Press jump
3 first available frames of jump cancel rest. push down and B again
4 rest comes out and press jump
5 you are in first frame of your jump animation.
see 5. Wayyy more than 2 lol
basically upthrow into rest with m2 would work Well since m2 is ****ing huge. Also dj c fair into shine grab or shine nair would ****.
Also downthrow into tech chase rest or if possible keep disable into rest.
id rather have foxs shine since waveshine into dtilt is ****. and it would extend m2s edgeguards like quick aerial turn arounds.
omg. jump out of shine into fc sb would ****. or jc shine into teleport.
Noob. lol. In order to double rest ur looking at wayyy more than 2 frames.
1 Push of down and B
2 rest comes out Press jump
3 first available frames of jump cancel rest. push down and B again
4 rest comes out and press jump
5 you are in first frame of your jump animation.
see 5. Wayyy more than 2 lol