What's up with Justin Bieber

[El Nino]

But if you look at the even bigger picture you'll see that the music industry does not only encompass mainstream music, and that it has many different areas to it.

This is true, but since this conversation is about Bieber, then I guess people are going to talk about mainstream music. "The industry" is short-hand for the upper-tier of the industry, which is the most visible part of it. In reality, it's possible to be a part of the industry, be signed to a label, produce music, and still not pull in the income or the fame of Gaga et al.

It's like most industries. Publishing for example has different tiers too. Everything I post online is considered published. But that doesn't make me Stephen King.

Sending Justin Bieber to North Korea? *facepalm*

Yeah, man, what did N. Korea ever do to him?

how would you feel if people hate on you just because you are a talented singer?

If I made mad money they could flame me all over the Internetz and I wouldn't care. That's just me being honest. Money is important, and the ones that usually say it isn't are those who already have it.

 

[Shorts]

Sarcasm isn't uncivil in the slightest. He wasn't being angry, he was just mocking you. If you can't accept people mocking you, then I'm not sure why you're on a forum.

Haha, yeah, well youre not sarcastic. Half the time your just a total **** in every sense and definition of the word. Seriously. Idk how you do it. Its quite the talent. To be SO rude that people actually have to set aside time in their day to tell you how you are a total jerk. I dont like you, but

Have a good day

 

[El Nino]

If there's no need for sarcasm, then there's really no need for name-calling either. Everyone has an opinion, and most people are going to have an opinion on your opinion once you say it. That's fine. Be as snarky as you want, as long as it pertains to the subject matter. But the line gets drawn when people start throwing names at each other.

 

[§witch]

Haha, yeah, well youre not sarcastic. Half the time your just a total d*ck in every sense and definition of the word. Seriously. Idk how you do it. Its quite the talent. To be SO rude that people actually have to set aside time in their day to tell you how you are a total jerk. I dont like you, but

Have a good day

I must disagree with you; I am extremely sarcastic. I will concede that I'm a massive prick though, I know that already. I don't see why I should sugar-coat things on the internet. I don't give a **** if I hurt your feelings, and why should I?

EDIT: Still butthurt over the JRPG thing, I see.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

My opinions are important to me and no one else, I recognize that. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, I'm not going to try and tell you you should like Lady Gaga's music because A) You're apparently too close-minded for it to matter and B) I don't really give a crap if you like the same music I listen to or not because what type of music you listen to honestly has a very, very negligible effect on me.

Firus, if you honestly believe that I'm close minded and you don't care about my opinion behind music, then why did you even bother posting a response? Either one of those statements are false or you're just issuing responses for the sake of sparking an argument. According to your logic, anything you post (a) won't matter to me because I'm too close-minded. Also, (b) anything I post won't matter to you because you're also close-minded.

If someone said "I don't like apple pie", (or "I like apple pie", if you don't happen to like it) would you try and argue against them because of your so-called convictions? Because that's pretty much what you're doing by arguing against people who like different music from you.

Well Firus. I've never had a bite of "One Less Lonely Girl" before. I imagine that it would taste similar to apple pie. Except that it would be a bit more crunch when I bite into it. However, I think that stuffing apple pie into my ears might produce a better song than anything Justin Beiber has ever written.

Firus, I ask for substance because I'm a skeptic. I don't believe that people like Justin Beiber for his music, otherwise they would discuss Justin Beiber's music (actual tracks, lyrics, musical accompaniment, endorphin sparkles, and so forth), not Justin Beiber.

The reason why Justin Beiber has his own thread on smashboards is because he has become popular and iconic. Some people focus more on his image rather than his music. Thus the only track that has been brought up is "One Less Lonely Girl" which I consequently criticized and waited for a rebuttal. Do people truly like the music they listen to or are they simply being sheeped by mainstream media into liking a limited set of choices that have apparently been the center piece of this discussion? I feel it's a legitimate question that has been dodged numerous times in this thread.

Actually I was giving everyone something I've already written (there's a reason I didn't quote your post -- while you're the person who's been vocal about it, I know that far too many people in the world actually have a problem with people having their own opinion). I'd consider linking you to the entire large blog I made about it, but I somehow feel like you might not be able to handle the massive amount of acceptance of other people's opinions.

I would let you eat the apple pie I just baked, but I stuck it up my butt and your hand might not be long enough to reach into my hole and pull it out. Again, another criticism about me being close minded. Yet you're being equally close minded by assuming that I can't be open minded. I don't understand why you would type out such a comment. Do you want me to say, "Oh no Firus! I can't participate in your blog because you don't want me to be in it. Woe is me!"

I'm being 100% serious here, would you mind explaining to me why it matters so much to you if people like music that you don't?

I am interested if people have a particular taste I don't in a certain piece. Perhaps they liked the arpeggios, the "power chords", the rhyme scheme, the characterization, or the magical endorphin sparkles. Maybe they notice something I missed. Take for instance Eminem's "Not Afraid" in which the chorus line doesn't really mix in as well with the lyrics as his other works like "Way I Am" and tends to clash rather than blend. I thought that "Not Afraid" was lyrically poor because I thought the piece was musically poor. But when my friend told me to take a second look, I did and went through the lyrics and found out that the chorus is pretty sold when it comes to rhyme. If people don't like the same type of music, then I want to know why they like it so I can get a better idea of something I might have missed.

Why do you care so much that someone you will never even meet doesn't like the same music as you, to the extent that you apparently think that one's opinions aren't strong enough and don't matter enough to them if they're not willing to fight people who disagree with them?

Firus, it's because at the end of the day, I want to know something that I didn't know before.

See I'd try to respond to that without sarcasm if it weren't for the fact that there really IS no way. You acted as if lyrics were all that mattered and I pointed out that they aren't. If you already knew that and don't want it pointed out, make it more obvious next time.

Yes Firus. Completely my fault.

There's a difference between LIKING a song and actually calling it a good song or a bad song. That might be where you're making your mistake here.

Firus, if you believe that liking a song is independent from whether a song is good/bad then you have the following divisions:

1) Like Good
2) Like Bad
3) Dislike Good
4) Dislike Bad

Firus, I think that it's pretty stupid to like a bad song and dislike a good song.

1) Like Good
4) Dislike Bad

Personally I think that this system makes a lot more sense.

And I expected you to actually read and see the part that said that I enjoy good lyrics just the same as you, but there are times when I'll like songs merely for the musical value and not the lyrical value.

Okay.

Apparently you decided to respond to that part separately and act as if I did something wrong because of the way you separated your responses, though.

Okay.

It's good to know that you actually have a problem with what music I like, because that kind of makes me laugh.

Okay.

You want proof? Background here

Yes. That IS Lady Gaga's Wikipedia page with a photo of when she got bitten by Zombie Britney Spears and turned into Gagazilla. I skimmed that when Meta-Kirby was trying to tell me that she was creating music for a good cause.

Talent here

[/Quote]

Yes. That IS Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta before she got bitten by a radioactive spider and turned into Lady Gaga.

[Lady Gaga] was actually a glitch; I typed 'Radio Ga Ga' in a text and it did an autocorrect so somehow 'Radio' got changed to 'Lady'. She texted me back, "That's it." After that day, she was Lady Gaga. She’s like, "Don’t ever call me Stefani again."

I don't care if you actually read or listen, but I'm giving it to you since you complained about not having justification.

Okay. Thank you for giving me something.

Finally, your comments are dripping with sarcasm and there's really no need for it. Seriously. Could you try to be a little civil? If you're not capable of having people disagree with you without being obnoxious about it, then I'm not sure why you're on a forum.

Yes. I'm sorry for being so obnoxious and uncivil. Next time I will learn from your example.

 

[Shorts]

I must disagree with you; I am extremely sarcastic. I will concede that I'm a massive prick though, I know that already. I don't see why I should sugar-coat things on the internet. I don't give a **** if I hurt your feelings, and why should I?

EDIT: Still butthurt over the JRPG thing, I see.

Haha not in the slightest, just still cant believe your being a d*ck. Sugar-coating and being curtious are two different things btw.

*walks away before getting too sucked in*

 

[El Nino]

I don't know which is worse, music threads or religion threads.

Firus, if you believe that liking a song is independent from whether a song is good/bad then you have the following divisions:

1) Like Good
2) Like Bad
3) Dislike Good
4) Dislike Bad

Firus, I think that it's pretty stupid to like a bad song and dislike a good song.

1) Like Good
4) Dislike Bad

Personally I think that this system makes a lot more sense.

I think it would be similar to being a boss and giving a performance evaluation for an employee whom you personally dislike but who does his job well. You may personally hate everything he stands for, but you hired him to wait tables and he does it like a beast. Then you'll just have to give him a favorable evaluation and keep him on the job, even though you won't ever hang out with him outside of work.

I sometimes admire someone's technical skill even while saying that the medium or the subject matter is not my cup of tea.

*walks away before getting too sucked in*

More people should be so wise.

 

[Clownbot]

Out of curiosity, how can you objectively rate music as good or bad?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Clownbot. I'm not sure if Firus was attempting to convey this point, but this is how I interpreted his quote, "There's a difference between LIKING a song and actually calling it a good song or a bad song. That might be where you're making your mistake here."

I tried to break up "LIKE"/"DISLIKE" and "GOOD"/"BAD" into two separate categories because there was a "difference" between the two and then tried to figure out the possibilities in which I ended up with the four variations. I could have misinterpreted Firus and unintentionally set up a straw-man by trying to interpret his words and reason with it on a literal level. As stated before, I got lost in my own philosophical analogy when I tried to respond to El Nino's comment.

 

[§witch]

More people should be so wise.

That's what he/she says, but all I have to do is say Cloud is an emo ***** and it'll get all ragey.

EDIT:

I don't give a **** if I hurt your feelings, and why should I?

I think you missed that sentence, I made it a little easier to read.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Edit: Nevermind.

 

[Darkshadow7827]

Man, this thread is flaming hot. I don't like Bieber cause I don't like his music and I personally don't like his attitude from what I see on tv. If I meet him in person, who knows. I wouldn't give two ****s if I saw him on the street though. Might get an autograph so I can sell it on ebay or something, haha.

@Acrostic: Kudos for being beast enough to not get censored on the first page

@Fatmanonice: 1)That username is really easy to remember, haha. 2) I agree with a lot of your posts 3) You sig with Supermario RPG Final Fantasy boss replaced with Bill Cosby... it's just awesome and fun to look at.

My post is practically worthless since I don't keep up with pop culture, but it's so fun to read all these posts, haha.

 

[Kaffei]

I don't hate him or like him, but his music is god awful

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I really don't know who this kid is, the first time I heard about him was from this thread. http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=280142&page=1

I also voted for him to go to Korea just for the hell of it.

 

[Firus]

Firus, if you honestly believe that I'm close minded and you don't care about my opinion behind music, then why did you even bother posting a response? Either one of those statements are false or you're just issuing responses for the sake of sparking an argument. According to your logic, anything you post (a) won't matter to me because I'm too close-minded. Also, (b) anything I post won't matter to you because you're also close-minded.

Ultimately, when I say I don't care about your opinion behind music, I meant that I don't care what kind of music you like/dislike. I wish people wouldn't judge other people about the type of music they listen to because I spent the first god-knows-how-many years of my life feeling like I couldn't listen to some of the music I liked until I stopped caring what people deemed bad to listen to.

You have a point with your last bit, though...

Well Firus. I've never had a bite of "One Less Lonely Girl" before. I imagine that it would taste similar to apple pie. Except that it would be a bit more crunch when I bite into it. However, I think that stuffing apple pie into my ears might produce a better song than anything Justin Beiber has ever written.

Firus, I ask for substance because I'm a skeptic. I don't believe that people like Justin Beiber for his music, otherwise they would discuss Justin Beiber's music (actual tracks, lyrics, musical accompaniment, endorphin sparkles, and so forth), not Justin Beiber.

The reason why Justin Beiber has his own thread on smashboards is because he has become popular and iconic. Some people focus more on his image rather than his music. Thus the only track that has been brought up is "One Less Lonely Girl" which I consequently criticized and waited for a rebuttal. Do people truly like the music they listen to or are they simply being sheeped by mainstream media into liking a limited set of choices that have apparently been the center piece of this discussion? I feel it's a legitimate question that has been dodged numerous times in this thread.

Okay, I understand your position much better now. I didn't realize that's what you were trying to say.

Not liking his music myself, and tending not to listen to very much mainstream music at all, I can't really help you there, but I would second the question.

I would let you eat the apple pie I just baked, but I stuck it up my butt and your hand might not be long enough to reach into my hole and pull it out. Again, another criticism about me being close minded. Yet you're being equally close minded by assuming that I can't be open minded. I don't understand why you would type out such a comment. Do you want me to say, "Oh no Firus! I can't participate in your blog because you don't want me to be in it. Woe is me!"

I misread where you were coming from, which is why I thought you were close-minded. Well, a combination of that, and the fact that I've pretty much come to the point where it seems so rare to find someone who actually respects that people have different tastes than them that given any sort of hint, misleading or not, I'll jump to that conclusion.

Spoiler

I don't have much faith in people. =/

I am interested if people have a particular taste I don't in a certain piece. Perhaps they liked the arpeggios, the "power chords", the rhyme scheme, the characterization, or the magical endorphin sparkles. Maybe they notice something I missed. Take for instance Eminem's "Not Afraid" in which the chorus line doesn't really mix in as well with the lyrics as his other works like "Way I Am" and tends to clash rather than blend. I thought that "Not Afraid" was lyrically poor because I thought the piece was musically poor. But when my friend told me to take a second look, I did and went through the lyrics and found out that the chorus is pretty sold when it comes to rhyme. If people don't like the same type of music, then I want to know why they like it so I can get a better idea of something I might have missed.

Firus, it's because at the end of the day, I want to know something that I didn't know before.

All right, that makes sense, and I definitely respect that.

Firus, if you believe that liking a song is independent from whether a song is good/bad then you have the following divisions:

1) Like Good
2) Like Bad
3) Dislike Good
4) Dislike Bad

Firus, I think that it's pretty stupid to like a bad song and dislike a good song.

1) Like Good
4) Dislike Bad

Personally I think that this system makes a lot more sense.

El Nino pretty much got it spot-on.

There are some songs which I know have little to no lyrical value and possibly little musical value, but I may find incredibly catchy or something along those lines and therefore will listen to. "What is Love" is a good example of this -- I don't listen to it for the lyrics, I listen to it because it's catchy (even then it's not one of my favorite songs, but it's all right).

Then, there are also songs which I may thoroughly recognize have wonderfully deep lyrics and incredibly hard work and talent applied musically, but simply don't enjoy listening to.

That's what I was driving at.

Yes. I'm sorry for being so obnoxious and uncivil. Next time I will learn from your example.

Sorry. Didn't mean to be so harsh.

 

[Man of Popsicle]

There's plenty of things I like, just because they're bad, why shouldn't music apply?
I don't like Bieber though.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Music threads, eh.


LOLZ this threat is ful of pop-listening ******s. grow up and be a real men and listen to some good music lik slayer n slipknot ****ing ******s lady gaga sucks metal 4 life \.../

 

[Browny]

I for one have a rather strong dislike for him because all his fame wasnt earnt through actual good music.

His target audience, young girls love him for his looks. It doesnt matter how awful the lyrics are to his songs, as long as he is in a video clip, it will sell millions and set him up for life. He targets a market that really makes him immune to criticism because of how nieve these girls are and whether his music is worth money is never an issue, these kids' parents will pay for everything.

Compare that to any other artist who targets an older audience. Firstly, the older your target audience, the more likely your song is to be illegally downloaded. secondly these artists will get slammed if they make a bad song, again Justin is immune to this. Add to this Justin cant play an instrument, doesnt write his own music and youve got nothing but a performer, not a musician. But do these girls care?

eh, I just feel sorry for the countless of other singers/songwriters who will never get anywhere near Justin's level of fame despite being far better musicians than he will ever be

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Meh, music artists and celebrities are doing nothing special for society, and nothing for anyone really, so they're a waste of life; completely pointless human beings just adding to the cesspool of **** and typical Capitalism that runs this horrid country. In 50 years, no one will care who Justin Bieber is, and no one will listen to his music anymore because it's not good. It never was, and it never will be.

Truly great music, however, is remembered for hundreds of years. Can you guess what kind of music that is?

Though, it's all personal preference. Little teenage girls enjoy listening to silly music with no heart or soul, and real people who have a good eye for true music enjoy listening to things that have depth.

Modern artists do not have depth whatsoever.


Is real music what you seek? Music that has, and always will be remembered for hundreds and hundreds of years to come?

If you've not heard of "Baroque", I suggest you take a look at this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8pFIU65B_g

 

[SuperBowser]

I always thought classical music was a bit of an aquired taste.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

I appreciate history very much, and it just so happens that history comes in music form as well.

I was raised listening to Baroque lullabies, as well as being taught to play many instruments from the age as well.

So sure, acquired it was.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Truly great music, however, is remembered for hundreds of years. Can you guess what kind of music that is?

Though, it's all personal preference. Little teenage girls enjoy listening to silly music with no heart or soul, and real people who have a good eye for true music enjoy listening to things that have depth.

Modern artists do not have depth whatsoever.


Is real music what you seek? Music that has, and always will be remembered for hundreds and hundreds of years to come?

If you've not heard of "Baroque", I suggest you take a look at this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8pFIU65B_g

How is this any different from pop? No one knows (obviously not if you study and go deeper into it) most of the classical artist, except for the huge ones like Mozart and Bach. Exactly the same happens with Pop and Modern music. They will remember the genre later, most will ridicule you for it because it's old and sounds bad, but still everyone knows the few legendary names like Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley.

Also, I like the music, but I never thought classical music was deep. It rather leaves open space for the listener to interpret it their way. It's very easy to make "deep, meaningful" music that way.

 

[Teran]

Last warning.

Calm down guys, this isn't even a religon debate and you're all over each other like Allah's Jihad Posse.

It's just music. Our brains are wired differently so we like different things, it's like with food and whatever. Disagree all you guys want but ultimately it comes down to the simple fact that SOME PEOPLE LIKE DIFFERENT STUFF.

ACCEPT IT.

Granted Justin Bieber's cuteness gives him the fangirl horde but his music would still have to appeal to enough people for a YT singer to become a worldwide sensation.

Give it up.

Jeez.

Any more flaming and this thing gets locked.

 

[Dre89]

I love how people bash Beiber for not being talented and just making money by targetting a profitable audience, and act as if that isn't the case for 95% of modern music artists.

Also This/That Guy, I'm no expert on music, but I think the difference between classical and modern types of music is that classical music is supposed to be on a far more intellectual level. A classical music enthusiast told my friend that classical music was mathetmatically calculated to be beautiful, there was more thought and more dynamics to it.

Modern music is basically just about making money but producing the style that's fed to the public. Nearly every music purist I know of bashes modern music. In fact, I've even seen one or two of these purists argue that modern music isn't even real music at all.

Again I'm not an expert on music but these are the impressions I got from other people.

 

[UberMario]

Depends on what you define as modern. Rock is heavily based off Classical and to a certain extent so is Jazz. Pop and Rap are pretty much loops now adays, but when you think about it most Classical songs feature repetition aswell, however, unlike Pop, the subject in Classical songs changes rather than just being an one statement for the entire song as the melodies [unfortunately] usually are today.

As for Justin, I never liked his singing and honestly I'd rather [not] hear Miley Cyrus over him, but he does have one thing going for him, his voice is different. Granted it's more likely than not he's going to be screwed when he goes through his apparently delayed puberty, but as of right now the fact he sings differently is the reason everyone flocks to him, not necessarily because of his music. I never really hated the kid, but honestly after stuff like the Australian interview he lost a LOT of respect for that (not necessarily just from me, especially if you look at most of the comments on YT for his videos which usually reference that and the door-walking-into.). I don't mind other people likinig him, but honestly if I had the choice of listening to him and having the radio off, the latter would be my choice.

 

[Teran]

Classical music is called classical because it's old, but honestly if you actually observe its evolution you'll see how drastically it changes over time.

"Classical" music is just a lumped and overly broad category for the pop music of the day.

 

[UberMario]

Classical music is called classical because it's old, but honestly if you actually observe its evolution you'll see how drastically it changes over time.

"Classical" music is just a lumped and overly broad category for the pop music of the day.

Agreed. 100%

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I love how people bash Beiber for not being talented and just making money by targetting a profitable audience, and act as if that isn't the case for 95% of modern music artists.

Also This/That Guy, I'm no expert on music, but I think the difference between classical and modern types of music is that classical music is supposed to be on a far more intellectual level. A classical music enthusiast told my friend that classical music was mathetmatically calculated to be beautiful, there was more thought and more dynamics to it.

Modern music is basically just about making money but producing the style that's fed to the public. Nearly every music purist I know of bashes modern music. In fact, I've even seen one or two of these purists argue that modern music isn't even real music at all.

Again I'm not an expert on music but these are the impressions I got from other people.

Mainstream music sure, but not if you know where to look.

 

[Wrath`]

All I have to say is picture yourself in 15 years. Are you in a better position than Justin Bieber will be? If you answer yes, then why the hell do you care about a 16 year old pop singer?

 

[cookieM0Nster]

First of all, let me say that I detest pop to the fullest because of the lies and ridiculous lyrics put into it.

From there, lets talk about his "songs". They are not good. He has a voice, but none of his lyrics are written by himself, except for a select few. Even if they weren't written by himself, the lyrics are terrible! I can't stand it whatsoever.

Now, I said I detest pop. That's not 100% true. I'm Yours by Jason Mraz is one of my favorite songs, and I listen to Hip-Hop, Jazz, Blues, and a little Soul. That's it, no more pop for me. The lyrics are amazing, and so is everything else. That's what pop should be, not just a 16 year old boy singing pre-written lyrics that are, to be blunt, annoying as ****.

You can't have any respect for someone who doesn't believe in what they say.

 

[Rain(ame)]

I've got something to say about people being upset of "industry" and all this crap. I apologize for the wall of text, but I get frustrated when I see some stuff.

Music hasn't changed for like 50 years. (probably longer) Not EVERYBODY writes their own lyrics. Not everyone even believes their own lyrics. Even the older artists are were so great. There were more flash in the pan artists during the Jackson 5 era and before and after than we have. There are SO many one hit wonders back in the day it's sickening. At least the artists now can get more than one. You think it's mass produced now? Take a look back then SO much worse.

Case in point: The "Industry" and "manufactured" statement is a load of crap. It hasn't changed any at all. That's what music is for the most part. Even our beloved 80s/90s era. Pop music was annoying back then and is annoying now. Still...we listen to it because every once in a while we'll get that song that's really catchy.

Record labels for decades have done nothing but look
for the newest thing. Whatever sells, they find any act that could be appealing. it's why artists who actually DO have talent get lost in the mix.

Oh...also, people respect a lot of female singers who can really sing. Most of the time...they don't even REMOTELY believe the songs they talk about. The man hating and so on and so forth. They themselves have men, and plenty of them. If men were so bad, then they'd go celibate or look for a man that wasn't "amazing" or "already got their own" (aka rich) Just the guy that has the personality in which they want.

There are a LOT of artists that make songs like that and don't exactly practice what they preach. They're liked, and popular. They also make good music.

Mike Shinoda compared hip-hop to Cigarettes. In reality....that's music, period. It's something we do because we're addicted to it.

If people wanted to respect artists, then they shouldn't respect a LOT of artists. It's just that NOW we get to see their personal lives. Older artists were drug addicts, abusive, violent, vindictive, and so forth. Yet they didn't sing about that. We only say that about people now because we've got access to their personal lives.

Did Ray Charles sing about drugs and smoking and cheating on his wife? Nope. So there for he wasn't real. Still, people respect him.

The Bieber kid has talent...if he lasts he lasts. If not...then oh well. It happens, that's the music industry.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Classical music is called classical because it's old, but honestly if you actually observe its evolution you'll see how drastically it changes over time.

"Classical" music is just a lumped and overly broad category for the pop music of the day.

Yeah, classical refers to 1730-1820 when it comes to music while most people pretty much use it to throw together any music that's at least 100 years old. "Classical" music is another reason why I don't really care for most modern music. A symphony is a work of art. To make music for sometimes more than a dozen instruments and then construct it so that they play together compatibly to form one piece is something that's nothing short of amazing.

 

[Skrlx]

Yeah, classical refers to 1730-1820 when it comes to music while most people pretty much use it to throw together any music that's at least 100 years old. "Classical" music is another reason why I don't really care for most modern music. A symphony is a work of art. To make music for sometimes more than a dozen instruments and then construct it so that they play together compatibly to form one piece is something that's nothing short of amazing.

oh god....

 

[Firus]

Symphonies are indeed works of art, to be able to construct the parts so they meld together perfectly seems near impossible to me -- but it's silly to say that because symphonies are so impressive, other music ceases to be art. (You might not have meant that, but that's the impression I get from the way you worded your post. Feel free to correct me if I misinterpreted that.)

 

[M.K]

You know, there are a ton of reasons for people to like certain music. It doesn't have to be some creative, inspirational piece for it to be something you cherish.
For example, the end of Ke$ha's "Your Love is My Drug" is my "pump up" tune for my swim meets. I listen to it, it gets my blood flowing, and I get excited. That's similar to Three Six Mafia's "Feel It". I like these tunes because they make me feel....like I'm more important, I suppose? Are these the most lyrically refined songs? Of course not, but that's not the reason I love them. I love them for what they give to me, and that's energy, and comfort, because meet situations are so incredibly stressful.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Symphonies are indeed works of art, to be able to construct the parts so they meld together perfectly seems near impossible to me -- but it's silly to say that because symphonies are so impressive, other music ceases to be art. (You might not have meant that, but that's the impression I get from the way you worded your post. Feel free to correct me if I misinterpreted that.)

Yeah, that's not what I meant. To me, songs/tunes can be art if they have a deeper meaning to them or it's obvious that a decent amount of work into them. I can appreciate complexity and simplicity but most modern music is disgustingly simple and hallow, in my opinion.

 

[cookieM0Nster]

If people wanted to respect artists, then they shouldn't respect a LOT of artists. It's just that NOW we get to see their personal lives. Older artists were drug addicts, abusive, violent, vindictive, and so forth. Yet they didn't sing about that. We only say that about people now because we've got access to their personal lives.

Did Ray Charles sing about drugs and smoking and cheating on his wife? Nope. So there for he wasn't real. Still, people respect him.

The Bieber kid has talent...if he lasts he lasts. If not...then oh well. It happens, that's the music industry.

Well what about "I've Got A Woman"?

If you think the music industry hasn't changed, look at hip-hop. They used to look for talent. Now, they look for what sounds like everything else.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Yeah, classical refers to 1730-1820 when it comes to music while most people pretty much use it to throw together any music that's at least 100 years old. "Classical" music is another reason why I don't really care for most modern music. A symphony is a work of art. To make music for sometimes more than a dozen instruments and then construct it so that they play together compatibly to form one piece is something that's nothing short of amazing.

False. The central norms of this tradition became codified between 1550 and 1900. In fact, the term "classical music" did not appear until the early 19th century, in an attempt to "canonize" the period from Johann Sebastian Bach to Beethoven as a golden age. The earliest reference to "classical music" recorded by the Oxford English Dictionary is from about 1836.

In practice, the style of "classical music" has been around since the Middle ages.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HZl0qHUbJc

 

[PassWurD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GW3iArO-RQ

This song gets me so pumped. Also it's fun to see a dude sport the black nail polish and black eyeliner look without that emo hair.

 

[TheOriginalSmasher]

Personally, I see him as a person you almost HAVE to make fun of. Obviously you don't HAVE to, but you just... do. Like how everyone makes fun of Brittney Spears, or Lindsey Lohan, or Miley Cyrus. No difference.