What's up with Justin Bieber

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

If those are his views then he doesn't know about anything other than mainstream music, and therefore should not be generalizing.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

If you think every artist in the music industry is like this then I believe your views on it are a tad skewed.

I believe the phrase was as follows, "every other artist in the industry." I've already described the music I detest from a number of artists and the companies that publish such music constitute "the industry".

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Then what do you consider "the industry?"

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Then what do you consider "the industry?"

Off the top of my head, Disney would be an example due to the fact that they have backed the Jonas Brothers. In addition, Disney is well known for collaborating their actors with their music in an attempt to generate profit off of popularity.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

But many artists are signed to labels and don't do what you just said.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

But many artists are signed to labels and don't do what you just said.

Great. I'll take your word for it. Just like Meta-Kirby and his inner relationship with Lady Gaga. It'll be one of those things that I trust and take for granted without having any desire whatsoever for you to actually try and substantiate your opinion.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

There are tons of signed artists that don't get radio play, and therefore are not put into a position to exhibit the traits you just mentioned.

 

[Skrlx]

Lady Gaga's not too bad but sometimes it seems like she does bizarre things for the sake of being bizarre.

Yeah, I agree.

 

[Clownbot]

Acrostic, do you think that every artist in the industry does what they do for the sole purpose of money-making?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Acrostic, do you think that every artist in the industry does what they do for the sole purpose of money-making?

Clownbot, do you think that I would work thirty hours a week if I didn't make any money at all?

 

[Clownbot]

Clownbot, do you think that I would work thirty hours a week if I didn't make any money at all?

Yeah, if you enjoyed what you did.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Acrostic, would you say that you listen to a lot of music and do you consider yourself knowledgeable about most aspects of music in recent times?

 

[Fatmanonice]

Acrostic, do you think that every artist in the industry does what they do for the sole purpose of money-making?

Yes because that's why they stay in the industry. People who "do it for the music" are the bands you run into at local bars that play for 4 hours and make like 20 bucks in tips, not people who are paid millions for a single track. When you really care about the music, money seems infinitely less important. Money and attention are why people generally stay and go into full blown panic mode when they start to fade a little bit into obscurity. *points a giant foam finger at Brittney Spears*

 

[Clownbot]

Yes because that's why they stay in the industry. People who "do it for the music" are the bands you run into at local bars that play for 4 hours and make like 20 bucks in tips, not people who are paid millions for a single track. When you really care about the music, money seems infinitely less important. Money and attention are why people generally stay and go into full blown panic mode when they start to fade a little bit into obscurity. *points a giant foam finger at Brittney Spears*

Sorry, but I simply don't believe that there's not a single person in the industry that enjoys what they do.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Acrostic, would you say that you listen to a lot of music and do you consider yourself knowledgeable about most aspects of music in recent times?

Vrael, would you like to respond to someone who has regressed to ad-hominem analysis in order to gain dominance in a conversation?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Yes because that's why they stay in the industry. People who "do it for the music" are the bands you run into at local bars that play for 4 hours and make like 20 bucks in tips, not people who are paid millions for a single track. When you really care about the music, money seems infinitely less important. Money and attention are why people generally stay and go into full blown panic mode when they start to fade a little bit into obscurity. *points a giant foam finger at Brittney Spears*

What about artists who entered the industry to expose the world to social issues in their communities and the world as a whole?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Vrael, would you like to respond to someone who has regressed to ad-hominem analysis in order to gain dominance in a conversation?

Acrostic, I'm simply wondering whether or not you are exposed to large amounts of music or if your conclusions are based on things that you read, saw on TV, heard on the radio, etc. Sorry, my comment was rude.

Whoops, double post. Just thought this thread was going fast enough that this wouldn't happen. My bad.

 

[Firus]

Acrostic, you seem to think that analyzing the music for the lyrics or whatever factually proves your point that Justin Bieber's songs are bad. The only thing you seem to neglect is that lyrics are NOT everything about music and not everyone cares about meaningful lyrics.

Now, there is nothing I enjoy more than a great song with deep, meaningful lyrics which I analyze and still am left in awe and confusion by, like Tool's "Rosetta Stoned". I seek songs out that have meaningful lyrics, and I tend to reject those that don't. But even I will find a song here or there with blatantly obvious, not very deep lyrics that I like anyway.

Point is, everyone gets something different out of the music. Just because YOU are looking for some deeply analytic music, that doesn't necessarily mean everyone else is.

Also, say what you will about Lady Gaga, but she has talent, and her background is impressive. She's not just some corporate money-making machine. I've been skeptical about her in the past, but once I knew more about her I had a hard time pretending she was just another crappy pop artist. Doesn't mean everyone will like her music, but she's not some mindless skank.

There's nothing wrong with Justin Bieber either. I don't like his music, whatever, but all of these people that pounce on him and start spreading false rumors and crap are idiots. Who the hell cares, honestly? I wouldn't go as far as to say they're jealous or anything, but there's no reason to take it so seriously.

As I pretty much say in every thread about music ever...

Suum cuique. To each his own. Like what you will and screw anyone who honestly tries to tell you that you're wrong. I'm waiting for the day when the world will finally realize: YOU DON'T CHOOSE THE TYPE OF MUSIC YOU LIKE, ANY MORE THAN YOU CHOOSE WHAT FOOD TASTES GOOD TO YOU.

I guess I'd better not hold my breath waiting for that day.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Sorry, but I simply don't believe that there's not a single person in the industry that enjoys what they do.

This is what I believe Acrostic was driving at; they only do it because they make a buttload of money and recieve a lot of publicity doing it. Remove that and the number of people in "the industry" would be only a handful of individuals if even that. Most people aren't like me and you: they will grin and bear their jobs if they get paid enough. In fact, a lot of biographies about pop and rock stars say exactly that; they were miserable when they were famous but put up with it.

What about artists who entered the industry to expose the world to social issues in their communities and the world as a whole?

We're talking about "the industry" which has the sole purpose of making money. You're thinking of Indy music which is much different just like how Indy movies are much different from mainstream movies.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

We're talking about "the industry" which has the sole purpose of making money. You're thinking of Indy music which is much different just like how Indy movies are much different from mainstream movies.

Doesn't the industry consist of anyone that makes, promotes, publishes, or has something to do with music?

"The music industry (or music business) sells compositions, recordings and performances of music. Among the many individuals and organizations that operate within the industry are the musicians who compose and perform the music; the companies and professionals who create and sell recorded music (e.g., music publishers, producers, studios, engineers, record labels, retail and online music stores, performance rights organisations); those that present live music performances (booking agents, promoters, music venues, road crew); professionals who assist musicians with their careers (talent managers, business managers, entertainment lawyers); those who broadcast music (satellite and broadcast radio); journalists; educators; musical instrument manufacturers; as well as many others." -Wikipedia

I don't see anything in there requiring people to be solely devoted to making money.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Literally, yes, but we're obviously talking about different parts of the industry. We're talking about mainstream as opposed to independent and musicians who aren't even part of the industry.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Okay, I was under the impression that we were talking about the music industry, not mainstream music. Those aren't synonymous.

Anyway, what about people like Tupac? He was mainstream but a good amount of his music was aimed to expose the world to the various hoods in which he lived? I don't see why all of you are generalizing all over the place.

 

[M.K]

Because people are stupid and are incapable of NOT generalizing.

Which is made evident by the fact that I just generalized in insulting people for generalizing.

=)

But in all honesty, you can nitpick all you want, find specific examples of specific instances in time where your theory is correct, but it'll always come down to the big picture.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

But if you look at the even bigger picture you'll see that the music industry does not only encompass mainstream music, and that it has many different areas to it.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Acrostic, you seem to think that analyzing the music for the lyrics or whatever factually proves your point that Justin Bieber's songs are bad. The only thing you seem to neglect is that lyrics are NOT everything about music and not everyone cares about meaningful lyrics.

Well Firus. I honestly thought that songs were just lyrics being read without any music behind them. Your comment blew my mind apart. Thank you Firus for enlightening me, that there are more to songs than just words. You are so enlightening.

You're right Firus. I should have broken down "One Less Lonely Girl" into treble and cleft analysis. Compared musical score patterns of the song to other pieces that I can recall off the top of my head. Talked about my feelings and how "One Less Lonely Girl" saved me from jumping off a building and impaling myself head first into a pit of spikes. I can't believe I forgot to do all that. I am such a prick. This clearly indicates that I only believe that songs consist of lyrics.

You're right Firus. Not everyone cares about meaningful lyrics. It's the magic inside the music that fills your body with super sparkles that trigger endorphins in your body and make you happy. Some people just feel the magic within their bones and knows a good song from a bad song.

Now, there is nothing I enjoy more than a great song with deep, meaningful lyrics which I analyze and still am left in awe and confusion by, like Tool's "Rosetta Stoned".

Well that's odd Firus. You just told me that a song should be more than just lyrics and then you graciously tell me that you enjoy a song that has good lyrics. One would expect for you to focus on something that is not lyrical when your preceding opinion was that I was focusing too much on the lyrics.

I seek songs out that have meaningful lyrics, and I tend to reject those that don't. But even I will find a song here or there with blatantly obvious, not very deep lyrics that I like anyway.

Well that's great Firus. It's good to know that you enjoy songs that have blatantly obvious and shallow lyrics.

Point is, everyone gets something different out of the music. Just because YOU are looking for some deeply analytic music, that doesn't necessarily mean everyone else is.

That's great Firus. It's good to know that everyone else is looking at shallow music.

Also, say what you will about Lady Gaga, but she has talent, and her background is impressive. She's not just some corporate money-making machine. I've been skeptical about her in the past, but once I knew more about her I had a hard time pretending she was just another crappy pop artist. Doesn't mean everyone will like her music, but she's not some mindless skank.

That's great Firus. I will take your word and your beliefs at face value without any justification whatsoever, thank you Firus.

As I pretty much say in every thread about music ever...

Wow Firus, you're giving me something you've already written already, awesome.

Suum cuique. To each his own. Like what you will and screw anyone who honestly tries to tell you that you're wrong. I'm waiting for the day when the world will finally realize: YOU DON'T CHOOSE THE TYPE OF MUSIC YOU LIKE, ANY MORE THAN YOU CHOOSE WHAT FOOD TASTES GOOD TO YOU. I guess I'd better not hold my breath waiting for that day.

That's great Firus. It's good to know that you respect the opinion of other people regardless of how tasteless or bad their preferences actually are when it comes to the reality of the situation. It's good to know that you have opinions, but they aren't important enough that you feel your opinions are right and when conflicted with an opposing belief that you would rather compromise than try to convince other people of your convictions and question their preferences which are baseless and unsubstantiated. Firus, I will respect your opinion that you do not choose the type of music you like, you are born to buy Justin Beiber or Lady Gaga because of the genes from your mother and father. I respect all your opinions Firus and am glad that you responded to my comment.

 

[Shorts]

Idk, I like some of his songs. He's attractive, and popular. I would say its the screaming fans that ruin it for me. Theyre the reason i didnt go to his concert. (I have money out the yin yang, i spend it on lots of bs) However, i will be attending a Lady Gaga concert :D

 

[Godbrother11225]

Sending Justin Bieber to North Korea? *facepalm*
just because you don't like his music doesn't mean he sucks.
how would you feel if people hate on you just because you are a talented singer?

 

[M.K]

Idk, I like some of his songs. He's attractive, and popular. I would say its the screaming fans that ruin it for me. Theyre the reason i didnt go to his concert. (I have money out the yin yang, i spend it on lots of bs) However, i will be attending a Lady Gaga concert :D

Mm, same here, September 19th, I have tickets!! ^_^

Acrostic, you can respond respectfully, then you can be a complete douchebag. You are the latter. V_V

 

[Purtle]

I would like to say that I voted for him to go to North Korea.

I think that's all I will say. Since, after reading all 5 pages, there is clearly no point of me saying anyhting.

 

[Godbrother11225]

I would like to say that I voted for him to go to North Korea.

I think that's all I will say. Since, after reading all 5 pages, there is clearly no point of me saying anyhting.

*facepalm*

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Mm, same here, September 19th, I have tickets!! ^_^

Acrostic, you can respond respectfully, then you can be a complete douchebag. You are the latter. V_V

Thank you Meta-Kirby. I'm sure that this is what many posters were trying to tell me, but they just couldn't find the right words.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Okay, I was under the impression that we were talking about the music industry, not mainstream music. Those aren't synonymous.

Anyway, what about people like Tupac? He was mainstream but a good amount of his music was aimed to expose the world to the various hoods in which he lived? I don't see why all of you are generalizing all over the place.

Because trying to be completely politically correct is annoying and creates conversation that's disgustingly polite.

@ About sending Justin Bieber to North Korea:

I actually thought that was pretty funny. Imagining Il Kim Jong's reaction alone makes me want to ROFLcopter like a ****** at Chuck E. Cheese.

 

[Firus]

(a) I "pounced" on him because I don't like his music and have reasons which I elaborated. (b) I'm not spreading false rumors about him. (c) Apparently GorditoBoy wants us to, "Leave Bieber Alone!" (d) Firus, this is hardly a discussion, much less a serious discussion.

That was actually a general commentary on the treatment of Justin Bieber like 4channers mass-spreading rumors.

Well Firus. I honestly thought that songs were just lyrics being read without any music behind them. Your comment blew my mind apart. Thank you Firus for enlightening me, that there are more to songs than just words. You are so enlightening.

Well, you're very welcome.

Spoiler

See I'd try to respond to that without sarcasm if it weren't for the fact that there really IS no way. You acted as if lyrics were all that mattered and I pointed out that they aren't. If you already knew that and don't want it pointed out, make it more obvious next time.

You're right Firus. I should have broken down "One Less Lonely Girl" into treble and cleft analysis. Compared musical score patterns of the song to other pieces that I can recall off the top of my head. Talked about my feelings and how "One Less Lonely Girl" saved me from jumping off a building and impaling myself head first into a pit of spikes. I can't believe I forgot to do all that. I am such a prick. This clearly indicates that I only believe that songs consist of lyrics.

You're right Firus. Not everyone cares about meaningful lyrics. It's the magic inside the music that fills your body with super sparkles that trigger endorphins in your body and make you happy. Some people just feel the magic within their bones and knows a good song from a bad song.

There's a difference between LIKING a song and actually calling it a good song or a bad song. That might be where you're making your mistake here.

Well that's odd Firus. You just told me that a song should be more than just lyrics and then you graciously tell me that you enjoy a song that has good lyrics. One would expect for you to focus on something that is not lyrical when your preceding opinion was that I was focusing too much on the lyrics.

And I expected you to actually read and see the part that said that I enjoy good lyrics just the same as you, but there are times when I'll like songs merely for the musical value and not the lyrical value.

Apparently you decided to respond to that part separately and act as if I did something wrong because of the way you separated your responses, though.

Well that's great Firus. It's good to know that you enjoy songs that have blatantly obvious and shallow lyrics.

It's good to know that you actually have a problem with what music I like, because that kind of makes me laugh.

That's great Firus. I will take your word and your beliefs at face value without any justification whatsoever, thank you Firus.

You want proof?

Background here

Talent here

I don't care if you actually read or listen, but I'm giving it to you since you complained about not having justification.

Wow Firus, you're giving me something you've already written already, awesome.

Actually I was giving everyone something I've already written (there's a reason I didn't quote your post -- while you're the person who's been vocal about it, I know that far too many people in the world actually have a problem with people having their own opinion). I'd consider linking you to the entire large blog I made about it, but I somehow feel like you might not be able to handle the massive amount of acceptance of other people's opinions.

That's great Firus. It's good to know that you respect the opinion of other people regardless of how tasteless or bad their preferences actually are when it comes to the reality of the situation. It's good to know that you have opinions, but they aren't important enough that you feel your opinions are right and when conflicted with an opposing belief that you would rather compromise than try to convince other people of your convictions and question their preferences which are baseless and unsubstantiated. Firus, I will respect your opinion that you do not choose the type of music you like, you are born to buy Justin Beiber or Lady Gaga because of the genes from your mother and father. I respect all your opinions Firus and am glad that you responded to my comment.

My opinions are important to me and no one else, I recognize that. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, I'm not going to try and tell you you should like Lady Gaga's music because A) You're apparently too close-minded for it to matter and B) I don't really give a crap if you like the same music I listen to or not because what type of music you listen to honestly has a very, very negligible effect on me.

If someone said "I don't like apple pie", (or "I like apple pie", if you don't happen to like it) would you try and argue against them because of your so-called convictions? Because that's pretty much what you're doing by arguing against people who like different music from you.

I'm being 100% serious here, would you mind explaining to me why it matters so much to you if people like music that you don't? Why do you care so much that someone you will never even meet doesn't like the same music as you, to the extent that you apparently think that one's opinions aren't strong enough and don't matter enough to them if they're not willing to fight people who disagree with them?

And wait, my opinion that you don't choose what music you like? You DON'T. You can't say "I want to like this music", you either do or you don't. If you're "choosing" what kind of music you "like", you're doing it wrong.

Finally, your comments are dripping with sarcasm and there's really no need for it. Seriously. Could you try to be a little civil? If you're not capable of having people disagree with you without being obnoxious about it, then I'm not sure why you're on a forum.

 

[Skrlx]

I like you Acrostic

Why haven't you accepted my FRIEND REQUEST?

 

[Rychu]

I dont like him because he does not deserve to be famous. Dont get me wrong, hes mildly talented. He can sing. All of his songs are the same. he writes nothing(except pointless lyrics). He is part of the reason why other, more talented musicians cant go mainstream. he pretends to be street, i could out-sing/rap him in a heartbeat. hes helping to cause the downfall of hardrock/metal. he sets a standard that in order to be successfull, you have to not only be good-looking, you have to conform to whats popular. there are a million more talented pop musicians than him. I dont like him

 

[§witch]

Finally, your comments are dripping with sarcasm and there's really no need for it. Seriously. Could you try to be a little civil? If you're not capable of having people disagree with you without being obnoxious about it, then I'm not sure why you're on a forum.

Sarcasm isn't uncivil in the slightest. He wasn't being angry, he was just mocking you. If you can't accept people mocking you, then I'm not sure why you're on a forum.

 

[Skrlx]

hes helping to cause the downfall of hardrock/metal.

hahahaha

Curse you Justin Bieber for the downfall of hard r0ck and metulz!

EDIT:

What do you guys think about LINKIN PARK

 

[Firus]

Sarcasm isn't uncivil in the slightest. He wasn't being angry, he was just mocking you. If you can't accept people mocking you, then I'm not sure why you're on a forum.

Uncivil: without good manners; unmannerly; rude; impolite; discourteous.

Sarcasm: harsh or bitter derision or irony.

I'm pretty sure derision/mocking isn't polite or well-mannered, so I'm not sure where you come to that conclusion.

You don't have to be angry to be uncivil, by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Rychu]

hahahaha

Curse you Justin Bieber for the downfall of hard r0ck and metulz!

EDIT:

What do you guys think about LINKIN PARK

Okay, thats taking what i said WAY out of context.
Fact: Metal and Hard Rock(both serious genres full of hardworking individuals, so i'd appreciate you not mocking them) are less popular then they where 15 years ago.
Factop/Dance music is taking over mainstream music, leading to less Hard Rock and Metal represented
Fact:I do enjoy other TALENTED artist such as Lady Gaga
Fact:you are obviously a Justin mega-fan
Fact:...Linkin Park is awesome

 

[Godbrother11225]

hahahaha

Curse you Justin Bieber for the downfall of hard r0ck and metulz!

EDIT:

What do you guys think about LINKIN PARK

Overrated NUFF SAID