What happens when both players lose their last stock at the same time?

[Fortress | Sveet]

There are 2 ways to get sudden death, one is by the game timing out when both players have the same stocks and that sudden death is ignored and the lower percent player wins.

The other way to get a sudden death is by both players losing their last stock on the same frame. While unlikely, this has happened a number of times and i'm sure we've all seen it at least once or in a video somewhere.

How does a TO handle this situation? Do we go off of percent just like if the game timed out or should the players play the sudden death or what?

 

[Charlesz]

Good question, I would think we should go off by percent.

 

[Zodiac]

It goes by percent, if everything is tied then they replay the last stock.

 

[Boxob.]

It goes by percent, if everything is tied then they replay the last stock.

This. Isn't that kinda of just, obvious?

 

[MT_]

Isn't determining who wins in a situation like this based off of percent biased against characters that take stocks primarily by gimping? Honestly I think that's also true with timing out, but never have I seen a tournament match time out. Then again, I haven't seen a tournament match go to sudden death from losing your stock on the same frame.

Just a thought.

 

[AnDaLe]

Yea, a tourney match of PC chris and M2K had this happen. I think they just replayed a match with one stock left.

 

[Charlesz]

Is the match recorded?

 

[AnDaLe]

yea, pretty sure it is.
btw, 1000th post

 

[MarsFool!]

When this happens, the players HAVE to play another match. Any legal stage, DSR, chances are they will agree to play the same stage again. Basically I'd treat it like it didn't happen at all because at most I consider it a fluke and its the only fair way I believe it can be treated.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I think determining by percent is dumb in this situation.

Either replay the whole match on the same stage, or the last stock on the same stage.

 

[Lovage]

i've only seen this happen once in my whole life of playing ssbm

 

[Cosmo!]

at FC6 Omnigamer Kirbycided eightenspikes' Doc
It went to sudden death
While spikes was asking what happens when its a sudden death, Omnigamer quick ran up to eighteenspikes and KO'd him.

They didn't get to replay the match

 

[VA]

Why not play sudden death, that would be awesome.

 

[KosukeKGA]

Just goes to show you how faulty the "official ruleset" is when things like this are liable to happen.

I mean, what's the point with the 8 minute time limit if NO MATCHES EVER RUN THE CLOCK?

 

[ETWIST51294]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTHfcafE9ig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTNaAUJZz5k

^^

 

[KosukeKGA]

I'll give you that, but really. It should be lowered to something like 4 minutes. Would give a whole lot more pressure towards players.

 

[ETWIST51294]

I would experiment with that. Falco would be the **** tho. lol

 

[adumbrodeus]

How about no?


Way too many matches would go to time when they're just playing regularly.

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

Some of Samus' matchups can easily go over 6 minutes.

 

[SolidLiquid]

I think determining by percent is dumb in this situation.

Either replay the whole match on the same stage, or the last stock on the same stage.

I agree. Certain characters win by building giant percentages. Others just go for a spike at around 50%. I'd say at least replay the last stock, regardless of percentage.

at FC6 Omnigamer Kirbycided eightenspikes' Doc
It went to sudden death
While spikes was asking what happens when its a sudden death, Omnigamer quick ran up to eighteenspikes and KO'd him.

They didn't get to replay the match

Lol, bummer.

Why not play sudden death, that would be awesome.

As far as I know, it's sort of unfair because of the speed of characters attacks. Falcon vs. say... DK? It would be extremely easy for Falcon to just land a quick blow. Even if the DK player pressed the attack button BEFORE the Falcon player, Falcon's move could still come out first.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

Man up, play sudden death

seriously though, replay the last stock.

 

[Charlesz]

i've only seen this happen once in my whole life of playing ssbm

Ditto. First time I saw it, I didn't think it would happen.

 

[joeplicate]

i've seen that happen a lot *shrug*

 

[BigD!!!]

if it went by % i would just lie and say my % was way lower than it really was and nobody could prove anything

i probably wouldnt really do that, but seriously i probably wouldnt even know who had a higher % at the time if it was close at all

 

[JPOBS]

They should Quit out, then it should go according to the total Style points awarded on the no contest screen.

That would be the manly way to do it.

 

[salsa~]

The question is.. what happen if they die at the same frame IN sudden death?

 

[CaptainEvilStomper9]

We should all argue about for 10 pages even though the situation rarely occurs.

For real though I think they should replay the last stock (or game).

 

[SolidLiquid]

We should all argue about for 10 pages even though the situation rarely occurs.

For real though I think they should replay the last stock (or game).

Hey, at least I explained something about why it wasn't fair and added to the conversation. And trust me, I've seen way worse and pointless arguments than this in my nearly 7 years here.

 

[-Ran]

As a TO, I'd just make them replay the match.

 

[RainissoLink]

I think they should just do another match with one stock. Not like it matters. I myself have only seen this happen like 2 times ever lol

 

[BigD!!!]

they should arm wrestle

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Depends on the tournament, really. But it usually goes by percent.

 

[Magus420]

i probably wouldnt really do that, but seriously i probably wouldnt even know who had a higher % at the time if it was close at all

This. Unlike a time out you don't really expect it to happen and would be keeping a close eye on the exact damages, and the percents also disappear the very instant you both die so after it happens it's already too late to look.

The question is.. what happen if they die at the same frame IN sudden death?

The player with port priority (lower numbered) gets the win iirc.

 

[jugfingers]

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The player with port priority (lower numbered) gets the win iirc.

this can't be right?

why wouldn't you just play a one stock match again, its not like theres going to be a problem of two players dieing at the same time over and over.

 

[Quenk]

this can't be right?

why wouldn't you just play a one stock match again, its not like theres going to be a problem of two players dieing at the same time over and over.

I'm pretty sure that's just how the game chooses the winner. If it comes up in a tournament, it'll probably be up to the TO.

 

[Mokumo]

i always thought it was sudden death...

 

[Quenk]

i always thought it was sudden death...

I'm almost 100% certain that it goes regular match -> sudden death -> lower numbered port.

 

[Magus420]

Yeah, I was just talking about what the game does. I always thought the 1 stock rematch rule was pretty standard. It's been around for years.

 

[AlphaZealot]

The old ruleset for Melee use to mention that this situation should be dealt with. The new ruleset has a bunch of oversights do to...well it being made by like 10 people.

The current MLG ruleset for Brawl stipulates that, in this situation
-Play a game on the SAME stage with the SAME character with ONE stock and 3 MINUTE timer.

This is for: players dying on same frame, players dying from suicide KO moves, matches timing out with percentages tied.

Percentage should definitely NOT be used as some determining factor because in Smash your percent is meaning less when it comes to a complete loss of stock. The only reason percent is used as a tie breaker when time runs out is because neither opponent succeeded in satisfying the removal of stock criteria. In the event BOTH players do then you clearly should not be using percent.

 

[pockyD]

bowser ditto on brinstar depths