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So your telling me that Ike has a harder time finishing off characters than Zelda? Then no wonder at his position on the tier list.
Zelda's dtilt>utilt works on everyone. By the way her utilt is also nearly as strong as Snake's.
If it trips the opponent. I smash DIed out of down tilt before tripping every time today. Outside of guaranteed killshots, I pointed out a 0-death scenario for ike that is very very common against anyone but meta, marth, and mario. So if you can figure out a practical way to take someone's stock in 3 moves I'd be happy to hear it. his recovery, as established, is in NO way worse than farore's wind (you can ask snakeee what I did to farore's wind today, granted we went about even in matches because his zelda is pretty spectacular). He survives longer, he has a better poke game, a more solid/punishing aerial game, and outside of plain guaranteed killshots (something this game does not have in abundance in any way shape or form) ike kills way way way way WAY earlier.
because no one plays her and so she's not winning tournaments. you can't move her up the teir list solely based on theoretical potential.Why is everyone saying she will move down
She isnt that bad at all...just misunderstood
Truth.
sheik hardly WRECKS olimar, but sheik is at least goes pretty much even with olimar whereas Zelda REALLY strugles. I personally pull out peach or sonic for the matchup because I do much better with them Vs. Olimar, but sheik can get me throgh if I'm CPd.... but it's so **** tough with just zelda to win that matchup.... I've done it, of course, and normally that's on luigi's mansion with good luck and precision.
Not really. Sheik in general has a higher chance in beating Olimar because she has the speed to keep moving, and is rather hard to grab when one plays Sheik smart (In some cases, she's like Wario in that aspect). Besides, Sheik is really hard to spike since she has an incredible second jump height.
Tell me how farore's wind is anything but predictable, if someone with half a brain goes out after you after you've used your second jump, they can predict where you're going to recover. Horizontal recoveries IN GENERAL are horrible (DK's being the flat out best one and only because there isnt a lot a character without a disjointed hitbox can do about it), people are starting to straight jab falco out of illusion nowadays, do you think your long *** startup maneuver changes the fact that if I grab the ledge on the way back that every exit option you have is likely to get smashed? Bait an air dodge, an aerial, any sort of manuever that makes her drop vertically on her way back and her options for exit decrease dramatically, especially if you hog the ledge with proper timing. My slow *** character can fsmash zelda for baiting farore's wind, I've tippered her with marth, I've laid down claymores, countered it, left a grenade at the exit point, power shielded her then stuck her with a c4 afterwards, the move is predictable. The ONLY player to this day to use farore's wind in a way that left me straight stuck on stupid was ninjalink and it's only because I never predicted the straight down option to grab the ledge. Since then I got teleport canceled once by spAzn and uh... that's it.
Then it's not a guaranteed setup since they most definitely can smash DI hard to the left or right to avoid that killshot as I've done that more times than I personally care to count. Aside from being at the absolute full range of the first jab there is no DI that will cause that fist to hit but the sword to miss.
Agreed.
No, just no. I mean, that's true, but how does that automatically give her a 60/40 advantage?
If you grab the ledge to edgehog Zelda, then I won't get smashed if I recover on the stage because you'll be at the ledge. What you said makes no sense to me, so either I'm misunderstanding what you say in your block of text, or there's something wrong with the way you describe things.
That's probably true for a fresh dtilt if Zelda is trying to do it at the percent an OP would die even if he DI away from Zelda (that's generally good DI for surviving the up tilt, too). With proper decay, though, dtilt should still launch while the knockback is too weak to DI effectively. The closer, the better.
DM, you should show him the vid of your Sheik versus Pat's Ganon from yesterday...Darkmusician Im a big fan of your Zelda...u actually inspired me to use Zelda
Have you ever considered using Sheik in any of your tourny matches to help Zelda out?
Ive seen all your Zelda vids and Ive never seen you switch to Sheik
Do you think Zelda could possibly be better with the help of Sheik??
Zelda has a 0-death chaingrab on the entire cast.
MrEh you know stuff like this gets me excited everytime so you must refrain from doing this lol!
I think zelda will be where I vote her, added to the scores of the other 40 or so votes, and then averaged out relative to the rest of the cast. If I had to guess.
Marth CLEARLY attacked before Zelda grabbed him. And they still called it a CG????
Not to burst your bubble (kidding, it's entirely to burst your bubble), but I can let go of the ledge after I see you start farore's wind to a place where I know you're going to be and properly set up a smash for you by the time you exit, regardless of what percent I am at... If I know you're too low to head for anywhere but the ledge, i'll just ledge refresh and hog your sweet spot. If i know you're going to land on the stage right next to the ledge and I don't have enough time to actually move (which isn't entirely common), then I'll forfeit the smash and just ledgehop an up air during your lag. Otherwise, yeah, it's a stock more often than not.
If you stay out too long I'll just aerial you from an angle that I'm safe from retaliation, you act like FW isn't easy to read and doesn't have a long startup.
I like this answer.
I hate it when people do that ledge hog thing. My friends have done it to me so much. If you're under 100%, I usually feel pretty safe about going for the ledge anyway. You'll have to leave the ledge after your invincibility frames go away because you don't want to get stage spiked. Zelda has a little bit of time to consider her options, since she can usually get back on stage or to the ledge from a number of points while she's falling.
No I burned my computer and all of the data that was recorded on it. I also erased all of my Brawl data on the wii for good measure.
Nayru's **** is seriously underrated. NL at edge > Spike. Few people can recover in time and if you bait the enemy well it's instant win even from 0%.
