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Agh, I want this sooo bad.Imagine if switching was nearly instantaneous, and could be done in air.
PT would be high tier.
Best comment in the entire discussion.- If you tether and just wait there, he'll make a ridiculously cute wiggling motion and pull himself up.
This is the exact same thing that happened to me...I was shocked when I started thinking about it. I'm positive I know what every other move in the game looks like from every character but when I tried to think what Ivysuars Dtilt looked like I drew a blank.
Not true at all. Say you play squirt, die, come out as ivey and switch immediately to charizard, then die again at some point, then come out as squirtle again...fatigue was no bigger issue in that case than it would have been had you used ivey. The squirtle comes out fully refreshed at the end.No, but the fatigue system may make it impractical to do. By not spending time as all Pokemon, you make the time limits even worse for the ones you're using. Unless it's a complete **** matchup, it's better to use all three at times.
To be honest, I'd almost place him at the pure bottom simply due to the fact that anybody can just plain play run-away for a couple minutes and win via forcing that stupid Stamina mechanic down PT's throat. Individually, all three pokémon are easily better than some of the other "worst" characters (especially Squirtle), it's just that one severe limitation really holding them back. You could replace the pokémon with MK/Snake/Dedede and PT still wouldn't make it past mid-tier because the opponent can just play super-evasive to fight weakened versions of each (and/or set up to punish the switch PT eventually has to make).people put him second to last and bottom of low on the tier lists, which is just ridiculous.
That actually works pretty well on Bowser, I don't know why it doesn't work on Charizard very well.- Flamethrower is pretty long (because he slightly extends his neck out), and it can be awesome to hit an unsuspecting enemy with it. I LOL everytime someone tries to Melee DI the flamethrower to land behind me but end up taking like 50 damage before they realize that they can't.
ROB's BAir is super-effective!Ivy ***** fat people. It's disgusting. Huge targets for BS (lulz), bair/tilts spacing, Razor Leaf, grabs, uair/dair/nair...even though ROB tears Ivy a new one off stage, on stage ROB will be frustrated if he can't keep Ivy at long range with projectiles.
Are you serious? I am going to have to disagree. I say it's the opposite, although I do agree that Ivysaur does have the most potential. But seriously. Charizard best and Squirtle worst? GTFW!!Charizard is probably the best overall.... Squirtle is the worst by a significant margin.
LOL that's what she said.Squirt squirt squirt squirt squirt squirt squirt squirt
Speed-wise, Squirtle's the slowest of the three. Charizard should get more grabs than Squirtle for the most part - he has one of the longest non-tether grabs.Anyone saying Charizard and Ivysaur are better than Squirtle seriously have something wrong with them.
Squirtle is amazing. His speed and quickness of attackes let him punish pretty much anything. Everytime someone lands he can grab them. After every attack he can punish with at LEAST jab combo.
Haha, I tend to take people to a high % with Charizard then switch to Squirtle for the D-throw KO :3I don't know what you guys are talking about. Squirtle's d-throw's only purpose it to switch pokeys. It doesn't kill for jack if your opponent knows how to DI (which isn't hard considering it sends ppl at a perfect 45 degree). It might just be me but it won't even kill fresh @ 120%. :<
Squirtle's down-b is his best killing move <3
How is Squirtle slowest? He seems speedier than Ivysaur...Speed-wise, Squirtle's the slowest of the three. Charizard should get more grabs than Squirtle for the most part - he has one of the longest non-tether grabs.
Haha, I tend to take people to a high % with Charizard then switch to Squirtle for the D-throw KO :3
I personally think its worse than Olimar's just because Olimar has much better horizontal movement and whistle armor. Razor Leaf can consistently get them off the edge but sometimes it moves pretty slowly and they can time the invincibility right anyways. I get the feeling that Ivysaur does have more tether range than Olimar horizontally, but they're about the same when they're far below the ledge.Ivysaur
- His recovery isn't as bad as, say, Olimar's. This is because of his side-B. Most opponents will grab the ledge while Ivy is far away, and expect him to just die. But you can razor leaf them off the edge and immediately up-B to recover, and his up-B is quite long. The number of gimps that happen will drastically reduce if the Ivysaur player can use the side-B correctly on recovery.
- His jab is like wtf awesome. I've yet to see someone consistently punish Ivy after getting hit by his jab attack.
Charizard
- His Dair has a pretty big disjointed hitbox. I land quite a few spikes because nobody sees it coming. And a full hop dair actually hits most of the taller opponents while they're standing. And ends with no lag.
Also, for those who don't know, there are different times for how long it takes to switch between the Pokémon. Squirtle to Ivysaur takes the longest, and Ivysaur to Charizard is the fastest.
Itburns' Instant Tether would like to have a word with you...2. Ivysaur's at his best when on the ground, spacing, shooting razor leafs, hope your opponent blocks the razorleaf, run up and grab. Ivysaur is terrible at edge guarding and off stage..