IxxI
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DMG, what are some good follow-ups after a D-throw?
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Wario Q&A Thread
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SuSa
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Learn to hold down to go through STUPID platforms and don't start the aerial until right after you go through?
Or CP stages where he can't camp under STUPID platforms with his STUPID lasers.
tl;dr
lurn2powershield
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Under what circumstance would you guys say Wario becomes the most vulnerable? I've never really seen anything that ever puts you guys in a "oh **** dat ***** gonna get *****" situation. Wario seems to have answers to pretty much everything...it's like a little MK without 40 jumps...
smashkng
Smash Lord
Is the jab good to try to force Snake to use Cypher or there is other option for it? Fiction used it once on a Snake.
Chileno4Live
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Lol @ this. I think Wario can't get grabbed. He has some ugly **** grab releases, its so gay. Trying to not getting grabbed is pretty difficult, even for Wario. But yeah, i don't kno any other reasons when he's in a bad position.
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Yeah but I think that **** only applies to like what Snake and other Warios? and I think DDD
edit: oh wait i forgot that like theres 20 other characters in this game, so like Peach and ZSS and Yoshi LOL i guess.
edit: oh wait i forgot that like theres 20 other characters in this game, so like Peach and ZSS and Yoshi LOL i guess.
Wario does have an Oh **** situation, but only against certain characters, and that's if he's below stage level and has no spare jump/waft and is forced to bike against someone with good, lingering/rangy moves and good enough recovery to return on stage. If they have weak hits that you can't DI up, you can pretty much say bye to your stock.
Also, DMG, jabs are massively good. They clash with almost everything, which then leads into your move of choice (as you'll have buffered). Any time you jab you can grab after it, it combos into fsmashes at higher percents. It's basically an extra 3 percent every time you grab. I just throw it out when I'm at a decent range from them and it's unsafe to ftilt b/c their range is huge anyway. I find very little use for double jab, but jab canceling is amazing.
Jabbing is fine to force up b if you're close enough to do it, I like using weak fairs or weak nairs, personally.
Also, DMG, jabs are massively good. They clash with almost everything, which then leads into your move of choice (as you'll have buffered). Any time you jab you can grab after it, it combos into fsmashes at higher percents. It's basically an extra 3 percent every time you grab. I just throw it out when I'm at a decent range from them and it's unsafe to ftilt b/c their range is huge anyway. I find very little use for double jab, but jab canceling is amazing.
Jabbing is fine to force up b if you're close enough to do it, I like using weak fairs or weak nairs, personally.
_Phloat_
Smash Champion
If I start to come at him and fall through the platform, he sees it coming and either runs away and pivot grabs, or just spot dodge -> D-smashes.
And you can't win on CPs silly. I did beat the guy in question on my CP though.
And powershielding justs keeps the situation even, doesn't really help me by reflecting stuff. I am starting to regular shield and try to grab the top, but he just shields than and we are back to square one.
I like falling through to a bite though, but that doesn't always work.
Popertop
Smash Champion
getting predicted is really Wario's biggest weakness.
and that's the players fault
MorphedChaos
Smash Lord
This basically. DMG has it pretty much nailed down.
FattyFatFatso
Smash Apprentice
DMG you are under-estimating the grab. Although lately I have found myself in situations where it is much better to grab than to jab (lol rhyme) I do feel that the jab has many uses that lead to funny mind games or set up for combos. The stun from the jab is amazing. I think jab grab strategies should revolve more around how your opponent is playing. If he spot-dodges more, jab combo more, if he shields more, grab more. Like Phantom said you can buffer the jab into many sweet things. I like to D-throw to jab to F-smash. Really funny especially on those tricky Snakes who like to spot-dodge everything so they can pummel you with their tilts.
On the Wario vulnerability issue, DMG and Phantom both have it down, coming back on a big slow bike under the stage is no fun and playing catch up is no fun because it makes you play sloppier. Don't spam those F-smashes!
On the Wario vulnerability issue, DMG and Phantom both have it down, coming back on a big slow bike under the stage is no fun and playing catch up is no fun because it makes you play sloppier. Don't spam those F-smashes!
Fsmash works, and it's 9 frames before it hits, so a 5 frame waft should as well, assuming you're close enough... I'm always scared of wasting it though.
omegablackmage
Certified Lion Rider
lol jab is good cuz it does 6 damage, and its ridiculously fast. worth it to throw in front of any grab if you can.
That jab is 8 frames... that's super slow.
smashkng
Smash Lord
Wario's jab like dair is not so predictable visually though, and though it's slow for being jab it is a very good jab.
Popertop
Smash Champion
it's range and combo sensibilities make up for its lack of speed
darkchaos59
Smash Cadet
How do you build up Wario Down B?
handsockpuppet
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Just wait. It builds up over time. but try to release it before you start glowing brown, so your opponent doesn't know it's fully charged (and two near-charged are better than one fully-charged).
darkchaos59
Smash Cadet
k thanks 4 the info
IxxI
Smash Fence
How can fair be a good approach?
It's not a good approach, it's a good poke move.
smashkng
Smash Lord
Fully Waft does amazing 40% damage though, and the rising knockback of it is better than the 40% Waft. Can the opponent avoid a rising fully Waft after an up throw?
omegablackmage
Certified Lion Rider
i thought just the first hit of the jab combo did 6 damage? i don't feel like turning my game on to check so maybe somone knows offhand
Lord Viper
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☆ I wanted to ask this question for a while, anyone that uses a Classy Controller or have knowledge of a Classy Controller knows the best alt controls to able to do DACUS more simply? ☆
stnapknah
Smash Journeyman
you know, i'd assume no for sure. The fart just takes way too long to get to them and up-throw is a little laggy. However, now that i think about it, you can probably easily follow their DI and bait some air dodges, then waft. I'm gonna try that.
As for the questions about the 6% jab and the classic controller, i have no idea lol
Popertop
Smash Champion
yes, the bike stops all momentum, but you have to buffer it during an airdodge.
it's only usable really when you get knocked cross-stage at high percents
otherwise it is better to momentum cancel with Dair
it's only usable really when you get knocked cross-stage at high percents
otherwise it is better to momentum cancel with Dair
smashkng
Smash Lord
With Wario it's better have the tap jump on or off?
It's all personal preference. Wario doesn't really need to uptilt, so you can keep it on if you'd like. It personally messed me up a lot and I end up wasting jumps, but that's also b/c I'm so accustomed to Tap Jump OFF.
I actually have tap jump on, a lot of people I have talked to say they can't stand having tap jump on with Wario. For me, it makes Uairs easier, and it also doesn't force me to press the jump button two times quickly if I need to Double jump from the ground quickly (with tap jump on, I can press Jump, then press up on the control stick and hit A to do a quick Uair).
Tap jump off is just too weird for me, if it helps you play better then turn it off.
MorphedChaos
Smash Lord
Basically this. I've got it on for the same reason basically. That, and its easy to launch attacks with the Cstick, and DI with the control stick at the same time.
slikvik
Smash Master
people put tap jump off if they were bad at melee
Shadow 111
Smash Lord
obviously... every single person with it off automatically sucks at melee. that's perfectly logical
slikvik
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I specialize in random baseless comments. sup shadow. you drop meta for wario
Lovely
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Or they want to use Wario's Up Air without the worry of random jumping. If you play a different control that's not GameCube then you might have to turn it off like the Classic Controller. 
Shadow 111
Smash Lord
i see. secondarying wario.
after seeing fiction fight the mks so well i have a new interest in using him in that matchup though. i just seem to have trouble approaching when they have the percent advantage and i can't just camp lol. f tilt + dtilt destroy me >_<
Stop being terrible, then Shadow!
I don't have too much trouble vs MKs either. It's one of my favorite matchups, as gay as it may be that he can upair a million times.
I don't have too much trouble vs MKs either. It's one of my favorite matchups, as gay as it may be that he can upair a million times.