VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)

[OliClutch117]

I don't really understand when to use turnips I see that a lot of people pull after a KO but in certain MU's when do you pull and at what frequency.

Specific MU's are Marth, Sheik, Fox, Falcon and, Puff

 

[Ryobeat]

I don't really understand when to use turnips I see that a lot of people pull after a KO but in certain MU's when do you pull and at what frequency.

Specific MU's are Marth, Sheik, Fox, Falcon and, Puff

You probably wanna pull as many turnips as you can. The best time to pull them is usually when they are out of range. You get to know the feel of it after a while. Just think how long it would take for your opponent's run speed to pressure your space/punish. If they are not in the range to punish, you pull. Other times to do it is like, if you get a knock down(to a point where you can follow up or something), you can pull. Or if they are off stage you can pull. Like you said, you can also pull after your opponent dies, but that risks having to deal with getting trapped and the turnip limiting your options. What I do is I pull a turnip and go to the top platform or something. Because if they chase, they cant combo/kill off of it for the most part. And if I have to come down and I'm having difficulty, I still have a turnip to help out.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I don't think it's wise to keep the turnip you pluck between stocks when your opponent respawns unless it's Puff or someone similarly slow. Or if you pull a stitch.

 

[MacD]

so your new favorite person sleepyk has started uploading the matches from Super Smash Sundays (so cal's new biweekly tourney series). he is not going to go back and do the first few, but you can finds my sets from the last two on there. here's his youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/durhamred/videos

you'll find things like me and fiction winning teams, westballz beating me, and me pooping on toph 2 weeks ago

and things like me and westballz winning teams trolling my way though matches with dsmash, me fighting a puff (not my best showing but whatever), me vs fly, me vs lucky, and me vs fiction from this weekend

stayed tuned for vids every 2 weeks and feel free to check out the stream every sunday, where i also do commentary. it's also the stream with so cal marvel/sf4/other fighting games wednesday/thursday and whatever else alex valle decides to stream. http://www.twitch.tv/leveluplive

 

[TheLake]

I saw all these mckain i reckon you looked down right fearsome

especially against lucky

 

[Get Low]

I just want to make a note here that people are jumping into platform Dsmashes more now than ever before. Has anyone else noticed this?

 

[KirbyKaze]

It's because people get used to Peach NOT dressing on the platform. So then you get to dress on the platform.

 

[Get Low]

I'll spill some dressing on the platform.
But on the real, I hope people keep jumping into it, because it's a habit that's so engrained into my brain that I'm probably never going to stop doing it.

 

[Xyzz]

Some people have pretty respectable punishes for Peach whiffing dsmash on plats, you should really be able to stop yourself from doing it against them, or else you'll be in trouble. Most people just take some crappy up air that doesn't lead to anything, but if they tend to not challenge you, it's probably still better to calmly get down and regain your footing.
Well, it's a mixup situation, so see what the likelihoods and payoffs are and base your decision of what to do on that. Having super exploitable habits like always going for dsmash on plats is pretty bad

 

[MacD]

I saw all these mckain i reckon you looked down right fearsome

especially against lucky

well thank you good sir.

hopefully i can fix some of my full ****** moments and actually beat dem foxes next tourney!

 

[Xyzz]

Haha, yeah, when watching you I'm always like "ohh, that was sooo nice. *takes notes*" and then you break my heart by doing stuff that can't ever work :D

 

[DoH]

Watching McCain play is so nonsensical, my brain can't even

 

[Xyzz]

That's actually a good thing. If we - with all the time in the world to analyze - can't figure out why he's doing things... how is the poor opponent supposed to do it in the middle of the match? :D

 

[knightpraetor]

the best high level strats are the ones that others cannot understand and duplicate. it is very easy to produce an irrational strat that others cannot understand, it takes armada to leave an entire generation of foxes clueless

 

[Redd]

MacD is so good. I wish we had a Peach over here that plays your style. You and DoH are so different. I love playing new peach styles T_T

 

[The Irish Mafia]

I've been watching armada a lot lately and I've noticed that he jumps back a lot
just a little something I never think to apply so directly

 

[Jethrotex]

Jumping back is good cause you move back like a feather in the wind.

Interpretive dance is really overlooked in smash.

 

[DoH]

Am I not all you need Redd?

 

[Xyzz]

All we need is DoH?
aka amazing power shields and disturbing fsmashes into subpar conversions?

 

[KirbyKaze]

DoH may have better f-smashes vs Puff but McCain has the best f-smashes vs Sheik.

 

[DoH]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWQ7q3mvR7g&feature=player_detailpage#t=554

This is a pretty good conversion.

And my fsmashes at the ledge are pretty baller

 

[Xyzz]

Consistency. Your neutral game is probably only second to Armada, but you don't get enough from it.

Sure, we all get fun stuff at times, but on average what you get from your openings should be much more, and if you did, you'd probably easily be undisputed #2 Peach in the world

 

[Redd]

Hahaha Landon you're still my favorite. But I feel like I get slapped in the face by other Peach styles and I have to adapt super fast to avoid embarassment, which usually leads to platform camping til they change their game plan. <3

 

[DoH]

teach me to moonwalk redd

it's been two years since you promised

 

[DoH]

If people would stop banning FD against me you all would see my 0-death conversions

Also I'm going to train with cactuar soon, so that should level me up a bit.

 

[Cactuar]

Lol. I'll teach you to moonwalk. And I'll never ban FD vs Peach.

 

[Rain(ame)]

I need to re-learn how to fight Marth and Peach, xD. On the bright side I can fight Fox and Sheik like a Boss.

No seriously, though...I can't fight lame Marth for the life of me. Someone remind me how to beat a lame Marth!!!

Peach will just come back at some point, so I'm not worried about that.

 

[Cactuar]

What does "lame" mean? Uses strategies that effectively beat your own?

 

[Rain(ame)]

"Runaway"

No, it doesn't fit the description that way. I still respect the "runaway" game because I play it in MvC2 and a few other games. I still call it lame, since a continuous runaway is pretty lame. (It also used to be referred to as that...)

 

[Redd]

NO CACTUAR HE ASKED ME

he means my super-unused peach moonwalking techniques that I may or may not have been working on for a long time. Perhaps.

 

[Cactuar]

You should see my super-unused luigi moonwalking techniques.

@rain: I feel like... when Marth runs away... Peach can just pull turnips for free... which are like super fun approach tools when you want them to be...

 

[Rain(ame)]

Hmm...I guess I just need to pull out the old ways and mix it in. I'll see if it works out better for me this weekend. (9/10 it usually does)

 

[ShroudedOne]

Marth shouldn't be "running away" from you, anyways. Well, not enough so that you can pull turnips for free. So just pull them and chuck them till he stops.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

started using peach bomber and toad more
peach illuminati has been covering up how good those moves are for years
in all seriousness bomber is really gimmicky but you can get some serious mileage off it baiting shieldgrabs. it fits nicely into the "dash attack / grab" rushdown stuff.
Also OMFG fsmash is so good.
I'm trying to practice wavedashing a lot so i can move around like armada. I still feel like what I'm missing is his air movement. How do you get peach to be less stagnant once she jumps?

 

[MacD]

you sir, need to work on your edgeguards more than anything from what i've seen

i bet if you could edgeguard well, you would seriously level up 2 fold

CACTUAR!!!!! teach me falcon.... and how to be super cool <3

 

[CyberZixx]

Peach is way cooler than Falcon. So you are making progress already.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Consistency. Your neutral game is probably only second to Armada, but you don't get enough from it.

Sure, we all get fun stuff at times, but on average what you get from your openings should be much more, and if you did, you'd probably easily be undisputed #2 Peach in the world

I don't agree. Which is not so much a shot at DoH but more likely my disagreement with Xyzz on what neutral game exactly encompasses. And subsequently what a really good neutral game actually means.

My disclaimer is that this is strictly in reference to singles.

 

[DoH]

TBH in singles this is me most of the time:

Gonna try and record some stuff with cactus/hax this weekend

 

[Purpletuce]

If you would have just typed "I don't know what the f*ck I'm doing", I would have been so confused as to what you meant. Glad you used a gif!

 

[Xyzz]

I don't agree. Which is not so much a shot at DoH but more likely my disagreement with Xyzz on what neutral game exactly encompasses. And subsequently what a really good neutral game actually means.

My disclaimer is that this is strictly in reference to singles.

Would you mind elaborating further (and name Peach whose neutral game you prefer)?

My neutral game could be a lot better, I think... so I'm always looking for more on that (: