VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)

[Xyzz]

@bones: your throw choices are pretty weird at times, and I think you sometimes challenge him at places where I wouldn't do so (but that second one is pretty much a question of playstyle I guess)

But i was talking about fighting fox not falco, but i do believe u might be right i just need to adjust my height so the high laser does not hit the high laser and then hit him above the low laser.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7dea-5pI5U&feature=player_detailpage#t=517s :D
Just wanted to throw out a video example of the stuff that can happen of lhdl

 

[VA]

lol, wow. bones...wow...lol

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7dea-5pI5U&feature=player_detailpage#t=517s :D
Just wanted to throw out a video example of the stuff that can happen of lhdl

I will try it next time i play with g$ and see how it works

 

[Strong Badam]

Bones can you please use Peach some more before posting a video here? I watched like 30 seconds and all of your moves were 1 bair, an ftilt, an fsmash, and 4 fairs.

 

[Xyzz]

I often go the first 30 seconds doing nothing but fairs :D

 

[ShroudedOne]

I like that cute shield drop uair you did, Bones. I always intend to start practicing shield drops with her, but I never do. They're really good.

 

[baka4moé]

whos going to FC!?

 

[Strong Badam]

I am.
And VaNz and I are teaming.

DK/Peach baby

Taking suggestions for team names

EDIT: Epic 15,000th post.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Team name should have something to do with DK kidnapping Peach

 

[Bones0]

Bones can you please use Peach some more before posting a video here? I watched like 30 seconds and all of your moves were 1 bair, an ftilt, an fsmash, and 4 fairs.

When you get to my level, it's not really about what moves you use, but rather how you use them.

 

[KirbyKaze]

no it's still what moves you use

 

[MacD]

and that is why i just dsmash!!!!

and of course the occasional dash attack

 

[darkatma]

and that's why mccain is better than 98% of us =[

 

[baka4moé]

cool beans strong bad, itll be nice to see u again

hope others are coming as well!

 

[Van.]

heres an interesting project for you guys-- try to describe in a few sentences some advice on being the gayest, campiest, most degenerative peach possible. I'm talking cheapest possible strategies in every scenario.

what do you look for in standard MU's with this playstyle? Like what openings/punishes that aren't obvious should one look for?

thanksss

p.s. i see all of you haters that are going to make a post like "just watch vids of X's peach, he plays exactly like this"... yall n/ggas is lame

 

[Rosedemon]

 

[Ryobeat]

I feel like there's not really a gay way to play peach. You cant spam anything because then you get punished REALLY hard. And its hard to camp.

 

[ShroudedOne]

I couldn't even envision this super defensive, campy Peach. I don't think she exists (rather, I don't think she works).

 

[Rosedemon]

It works, you just have to be patient and playing the right matchup.

 

[ShroudedOne]

The right matchup? As in, it only works for certain matchups, right? Like which ones?

 

[Rosedemon]

Like fake characters. Ganon, Yoshi, Luigi etc.

Pink Shinobi went hardcore camp mode against matchups he didnt know.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Ah, right. I was only thinking of real characters. Yeah, he was super good at that, and I can see it being pretty effective vs characters with limited options and even less mobility than her.

 

[Xyzz]

heres an interesting project for you guys-- try to describe in a few sentences some advice on being the gayest, campiest, most degenerative peach possible. I'm talking cheapest possible strategies in every scenario.

what do you look for in standard MU's with this playstyle? Like what openings/punishes that aren't obvious should one look for?

thanksss

p.s. i see all of you haters that are going to make a post like "just watch vids of X's peach, he plays exactly like this"... yall n/ggas is lame

***** downsmashes on platforms / in general if he isn't up to punish those.
Spam turnips and/or fc fair, depending slightly on what he does.
Spam dash attack if he wants to evade them with wd back -> stuff and fails at it, which just about everybody does, because dash attacks has like the best range ever.

Those are hella obvious but still work, because people are horribad and you'll probably do fine against people who don't know the matchup well (which is quite a few, nevermind that Peach is like 6th on the tier list and the best player in the world uses her... no need to prepare for her lol).

I often feel I get the bonus of playing a pretty legit character with the added bonus that my opponent doesn't have a ****ign clue what I want to do in the matchup, like I was playing Mewtwo.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

@bones:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7dea-5pI5U&feature=player_detailpage#t=517s :D
Just wanted to throw out a video example of the stuff that can happen of lhdl

Nair did not work vs g$. But fc fairs did help and i would suggest using it once and a while to add pressure to a falco on the edge

 

[Xyzz]

Fair always works. If it doesn't you're using it wrong :D

Nair at that point is ofc situational. I don't know how g$ shoots his lasers, but I'm fairly (nah, that pun is not intended. Not at all) certain, you can punish any lhdl stuff, if you call the right variant (and the payoff is pretty much that he dies (offstage, no dj, hitstun till he is below stage level. If we miss that edge guard, we're doing it wrong, I guess)).
If I'm not mistaken PP (easily the best Falco in the matchup imho) also said that he only does LHDL if Peach is pretty far away.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

Like i said i now support fair at edge, and u r right to say u cant give him to much space the fc fair seemed to work better when i moved closer to the edge. I also got a pimp fair kill while he was holding the edge (that always feels good)

 

[MacD]

i miss the days where doh would come in and ***** out everyone for using gay

good times. need more 3 muskequeers or however it's spelled

 

[ShroudedOne]

I've always believed that lhdl was a terrible option, and I never knew why Falcos continue to spam it. Is everyone just that bad that it works?

 

[darkatma]

Nair did not work vs g$. But fc fairs did help and i would suggest using it once and a while to add pressure to a falco on the edge

DI lasers away enough to avoid the shine, but close enough so that when you spam A you'll nair him out.

Only works on high lasers.

 

[Xyzz]

I believe LHDL is the best thing you can do if your opponent is too far away to punish, but incredibly risky if he is near. If he can't hit you out of it, you've just shot two lasers in his face, the lockdown of one of those things is amazing, and two are even better and you don't have any lag afterwards. It's not that much slower than doing a ledge dash and protects you with two lasers, so I believe that's good.

Many characters have a hard time punishing it though, even if they are close, so I guess Falco often gets away with it (and it often leads to him getting a good approach). Peach imho is one of the best characters to punish it with, but the rule 6 videos have some nice examples of other falcos countering it as well (I just remembered those... there's certainly others as well :D). One did some stylish shine -> bair OOS <3

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

DI lasers away enough to avoid the shine, but close enough so that when you spam A you'll nair him out.

Only works on high lasers.

He didnt even shine me, idr what he did but i know it wasn't a shine (and i mashing mashing nair). Also i should thank g$ yesterday he helped me break (or start breaking) some bad habits (Feels good)

 

[DoH]

I miss using the word codified in my daily rhetoric

 

[mers]

i miss the days where doh would come in and ***** out everyone for using gay

good times. need more 3 muskequeers or however it's spelled

Trying to keep people from being ****s gets real old real fast (especially when it's the smash community and they take any suggestion that they could maybe improve their behavior as a deep personal insult).

 

[Cia]

heres an interesting project for you guys-- try to describe in a few sentences some advice on being the gayest, campiest, most degenerative peach possible.

Play like Doll

lol.

Actually.

Armada's pretty campy too.

not degenerative tho.

lol

 

[DoH]

Pink Shinobi is worse than Doll.

 

[Rosedemon]

*and better at the same time.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Pink Shinobi vs characters he knew how to fight legitimately (and where the MU kind of necessitated legit combat) was a monster.

I often defer to his matches vs SS when I want ideas vs Falcon.

 

[DoH]

I meant worse as a human being.

 

[Deleted member]

I want ideas vs Falcon.

1. trick him into not dashdancing
2. get him to shield, space an attack on it
3. hit falcon when he jumps out of his shield, but before a move can come out
4. do bad things to him

send me a dollar or two on paypal whenever you play against a falcon at nationals.

canadian money is fine.

 

[Brookman]

lol @ leftovers