VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)

[john!]

told ya

 

[MacD]

dude, i'm kinda stoked to read your brinstar post cause all i can think of about it is

use the lava

don't be stupid

YOU CAN ****ING FLOAT LIKE WTF

 

[DoH]

Here's my latest set vs Mangooooo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q59vT_pOsA

 

[ShroudedOne]

I was really excited, cause I thought you'd beat him first match (and I despise Falcon).

But why do you DI Falcon's throws up? Isn't it better to DI them down and away, to avoid followups?

 

[DoH]

Eh, probably because they expect you to go away and then they go for it and you're above them.

 

[mers]

The ending to the first game made me so sad.

 

[Composeur]

Does anyone (Veril?) know for sure if and when parasol oos is a better choice than nair oos?

 

[VA]

Does anyone (Veril?) know for sure if and when parasol oos is a better choice than nair oos?

I used it on pepito because he used full jumps dair approaches a lot with falco on FD. I was thinking, I can't beat this out and I don't really want to block. I guess no one good would really do it though.

basically, when whatever you're dealing with has massive downward priority, you can beat it out with a brolly.

 

[DoH]

I do it if I don't feel confident in my nair oss or if I didn't powershield

 

[Rosedemon]

I was really excited, cause I thought you'd beat him first match (and I despise Falcon).

But why do you DI Falcon's throws up? Isn't it better to DI them down and away, to avoid followups?

I feel as if it doesnt matter.

Falcon's should be reacting to your DI, not trying to predict. Theres nothing Peach can do about down throw --> follow up.

 

[KirbyKaze]

While I agree with Alan in that Falcon should be good enough to do it, there's no reason to make life easy for them. Make them jump through hoops to get that kill. If you can catch them getting complacent, or expecting a certain DI (rather than reacting to it), you might save that stock (and enough saved stock can win a match!). And it costs nothing to do on your part, so why not?

I generally think whatever DI puts you closest to the middle of the stage is best for the throw. You have a better chance of surviving the Knee that way. Platforms and other business obviously change this, however.

 

[Rosedemon]

Playing hard to get works even smash, go figure.

 

[DoH]

Is that what you two call it? I thought it was you all just being prudish virgins

 

[ShroudedOne]

I always thought, at least, that DI down and away was harder to react to for them than up. But I'll start mixing that up and see what happens. Anything I can do to put Falcons in their place is fine by me.

 

[Rosedemon]

Is that what you two call it? I thought it was you all just being prudish virgins

Dodgin dat censor tsk tsk

 

[Rosedemon]

**** is a censored word?

Edit: Well i'll be damned....

 

[Teczer0]

Apparently so.

Yea, its sorta hard to guess if it would be one so I get where you are coming from.

 

[MacD]

sooooooooo, idk where my matches are but my set vs jman should be watched

teams are whatever aight

and tec0 is a super meanie jerk and used voodoo magic on me to make me lose

 

[Fly_Amanita]

Did he use New Orleans voodoo, or the Haitain or West African variety? This information is relevant to my interests.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I used it on pepito because he used full jumps dair approaches a lot with falco on FD. I was thinking, I can't beat this out and I don't really want to block. I guess no one good would really do it though.

If Fox is FJ Dairing for pressure, I find his Dair has this annoying habit of beating my Nair for some inexplicable reason. So I use the umbrella. It seems reasonable, although if I could just make my Nairs use their full potential this wouldn't be necessary

My guess would be New Orleans. I am fairly sure Teczero has never been to West Africa. Haiti is possible, but I am doubtful he's been to the Caribbean.

 

[VideoKidHEERO]

Fly just asked the greatest question ever.
Holy fuuuu-

Uhhh any tips against Ganny?

 

[Turazrok]

Did he use New Orleans voodoo, or the Haitain or West African variety? This information is relevant to my interests.

Hey man dont joke about that ****, it's real serious.

My cousin scooter once got cursed by his buddy nook nook and he aint set foot outta da amberlance in like a whole WEEK

 

[ShroudedOne]

Psh. Voodoo.

Ganon? Uh, turnips? Turnip > fair, don't run into him, and edge guard. And the front page of this thread.

 

[Rosedemon]

Turnip --> all day.

I wrote a very good post on this. Mccain be a dear and find it for me!

There are cookis and stories for you if you do.

 

[VA]

If Fox is FJ Dairing for pressure, I find his Dair has this annoying habit of beating my Nair for some inexplicable reason. So I use the umbrella. It seems reasonable, although if I could just make my Nairs use their full potential this wouldn't be necessary

My guess would be New Orleans. I am fairly sure Teczero has never been to West Africa. Haiti is possible, but I am doubtful he's been to the Caribbean.

I find it's just very situational, not that there are many situations where umbrella straight up beats out the nair oos as a great option. I just find that sometimes it's ok, or if you're being pressured so effectively that you can only think to umbrella out.

 

[MacD]

Turnip --> all day.

I wrote a very good post on this. Mccain be a dear and find it for me!

There are cookis and stories for you if you do.

so i searched all posts in the this by rosedemon with the word ganon in them

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=12643308&highlight=ganon#post12643308

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=11113202&highlight=ganon#post11113202

from here, you can scroll up/down to see the other posts about the topic

tl/dr: i'm amazing

 

[Rosedemon]

Edit: Finds my amazing posts AND gives me a new sig? Someone deserves a cookie.

 

[Scrubs]

Hey some matches of me from a recent tourney

LF vs. Falcon

http://www.youtube.com/user/thedifinitive#p/u/1/xFai2DtbFRQ

WS vs. Falcon

http://www.youtube.com/user/thedifinitive#p/u/5/sJTFuE-CDwk

I really dislike this matchup

Oh yeah and the AR tag was the only one w/o rumble so I used it..(not that big of an Armada fanboy)

 

[choknater]

haha alan i saved that pic for animation references

 

[ShroudedOne]

Doctor Mario has a STUPID nair. Getting stronger as it stays out. WTF.

 

[DoH]

Behold, the power of viagra.

 

[Rosedemon]

Im not gonna lie, i've been laughing at that for a cool minute.

 

[thesage]

What should you do in the doc matchup. I really suck at it. More information than what Vanz's post gives would be helpful. My cc'ing doesn't work and pills make it hard for me to approach with bair.

 

[john!]

approach under his pills. or from above. you lose the projectile war, so get near him and make him feel uncomfortable. you can't really combo doc, he's kind of like jigglypuff. just go in and **** him up with your better moveset, and never let off the pressure. i'm pretty bad at giving advice but i hope you know kind of what i mean. lol

 

[Wake]

Booty pop that doctor.

 

[ShroudedOne]

LOL, Doh. He's probably got access to other drugs/supplements, too, so that makes sense.

Uh...Doc...floating doesn't really work over his pills, so I guess go under him. Once you get close, you have no reason to let him go. DI HIS DOWN THROW BEHIND HIM OR YOU WILL GET FAIRED AND IT WILL NOT BE FUN. Crap kills at dumb percents. And DI his uairs down and away, cause they combo really well. And keep in mind that his forward smash is also dumb.

 

[Rosedemon]

Just spam bair against Doc, it works. You can bair through pills, or nair, or uair, or dair trolololololol.

You dont have to approach Doc, make him approach you, then just bair him all day. Shield pressure is key against Doc cuz all he can do is roll, or up-b outta shield (which sucks on every stage but yoshis)

And Ding behind him isnt enough, you need to spam nair as well because Doc can just pivot fair you.

Also, never be caught below his jump height without your 2nd jump because Doc can edgeguard the **** outta Peach. Recover high as well because you can be caped in the middle of your up-b animation and spiked.

 

[choknater]

i thought caping peach's up B sent her further upwards

 

[ShroudedOne]

I think so, choknater, but I'm not sure.

Even with all of our aerials, can we just destroy pills until they have to approach? What if the Doc is REALLY patient? I don't wanna sit there for 8 minutes bairing pills, and then realize I have 8% more than Doc and lose (though I don't think that's a possibility).

 

[choknater]

i think approaching doc is possible, i think what alan was saying is you can't just run towards him from full stage. but inching toward him with high priority bair is fine, until you can get into a position to shield pressure him.

doc wins the mid range, but peach wins the close range