VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)

[choknater]

why doesn't she ever enter tournaments

man

she's been playing friendliez at norcal tournaments for like 20 years

 

[Rosedemon]

She entered at the last one.

Tied with someone for last place, but it was a stacked tournament.

 

[crush]

I think its because singles usually start at around 5 and that's when her sammich making shift starts so she never gets to enter

 

[ConnorTheKid]

So since we're talking about girls so much, what is the Samus vs. Peach matchup like? Personally I don't like her cuz it's a space lesbian.

I think Samus vs Peach is a dumb *** match up but maybe it's because I play against HugS and another good Samus. It's just too campy for me. I'd rather just go Sheik and auto-win (unless it's HugS or someone really good with Samus).

Also, lesbians are da bess what are you talkin about?

 

[crush]

I noticed lots of peach players are good at the bk matchup

 

[Palpi]

LOL Crush. The man needs tending to after a long day at work.

Mafia...I finally started forcing people into shields and getting more grabs..it really works Especially at low %'s after a FC nair.

Also...Florence Welch has the sexiest singing voice...ever.

 

[thesage]

I am da best singer ever.

But I don't hate lesbians. I'm just scared of them. This one lesbian made me date this girl (the only I ever did that wasn't in elementary school). If they attack you, you can't fight back cuz they're girls and the majority of them are more muscular than me. And Samus is a lesbian from outer space, can imagine how terrifying that must be for me?

In all seriousness I was just joking, I think.

But the matchup is just farming (camping with turnips) and sitting in your shield basically? What moves work well against missles?

 

[MacD]

of course you can fight back with girls, wtf

man up

 

[Alex Strife]

you obviously do not know...cristin is a black belt in tae kwan do >_<.... its like a real life fighting game character...

then when she gets mad

I CANT CONTROL IT

real life phoenix
>_<

 

[Degree]

http://ajpanton.se/ssbm/110811-Beast2/Singles/Bracket/

From Beast 2, the Armada/Fuzzyness Pokemon Stadium match. Armada ***** Fuzzy's third stock like it's going out of fashion.

 

[crismas]

you obviously do not know...cristin is a black belt in tae kwan do >_<.... its like a real life fighting game character...

then when she gets mad

I CANT CONTROL IT

real life phoenix
>_<

*eyes glow red* DARK PHOENIX ARISES...

*then realizes my health has been nerfed to 350 and that I can only shoot one projectile in air at a time*

Welp.

HULK SMASH!

 

[Strong Badam]

oh my godd

 

[eet]

so anyway....Peach is a good character.

 

[crush]

her best moves are neutral b and up air imo

 

[Palpi]

In what instances can I / should I use up uair oos?

 

[crush]

In what instances can I / should I use up uair oos?

when youre shielding and they run up to you and taunt and theyre at 862% on corneria

 

[crismas]

Her best move is forward b, clearly.

 

[crush]

Her best move is forward b, clearly.

forward b is useful sometimes for stuff other than wallbombing. when my opponent has invincibility from respawning i usually run up and forward b them, then when the explosion from the forward b dies down, they dont have invincibility anymore, and theyre in my hands while i do the u throw animation

 

[choknater]

uair oos can be used if say falco decides to jull jump after a shield pressure or something

idk

doesn't seem like the best option in general, i like nair oos

 

[crush]

uair oos can be used if say falco decides to jull jump after a shield pressure or something

idk

doesn't seem like the best option in general, i like nair oos

up-b oos is always the best option oos

 

[Cia]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=309178

Guys, check this thread out. Seriously. Veril used to run the smash lab before school + life got in the way. I trust his data 100% and he gives very useful info about Uair and Dtilt so far. Study it. It's very important that we know kill percents and how to abuse frame advantage.

He's gonna add other moves and stuff later

 

[Veril]

Thanks Vanz, it means a lot to me that you even remember who I am lol. We had a conversation a while back where I said that I wished I had gotten into melee during its prime, but felt like it was too late for me because the skill gap was so vast. Decided I don't care. I'm still obsessed with minute details, and realized that there is still so much to explore in this game (especially with Peach).

There are some things that I felt were really obvious targets for research: effect of staleness vs. DI vs. CCing on KO% and combo potential, points when moves induce tumble with or without CCing (since this varies by character), a good list of KO% with DI at various positions on the neutrals, when Peach's moves can be punished if CCed (again, varies by character).

One thing I have not been able to find yet due to it being tedious and frustrating: the exact spacing necessary to phantom hit Jigglypuff with d-smash. Also of interest is whether this is actually the best punish. I feel that people just assume the phantom d-smash will do buttloads of damage, and I'm not convinced this is the case. There's a phantom hit with the very bottom of Peach's fair, and it only does 7%! I don't know enough about phantom hits obv, but the spacing for the phantom d-smash would likely be so tight that a single frame of walking beyond what was needed would screw it up. I know Armada tried to do this in teams to either hbox or mango (forgot the match) and was unable, so the difficulty must be absurd given how godlike that boy is.

 

[Palpi]

It is never too late to get into melee!!!

 

[Veril]

Indeed :D

I figured out the d-tilt thing (I know I'm probably not the first but notasingle****isgiven). The hitboxes are identical against a grounded opponent. Same knockback and trajectory, and apparently exactly the same properties (Fox gets launched when CCing the d-tilt at 97% regardless of hitbubble, is forced to tech in place from 26-96% etc, confirms what I saw already with Falcon). Basically, d-tilt vs. a grounded opponent is effectively 1 hitbox consisting of 2 hitbubbles which have a 90° trajectory. Against an aerial opponent Peach's hand will launch at a ~70° angle, and the elbow spikes. Knowing is half the battle.

 

[ShroudedOne]

He has a fantasy where he will fall in love with a girl who plays smash brothers. Then they'll become the best teams/singles players in all versions of the game and create dozens of babies who are genetically pre-determined to dominate the future of the game.

/****.

Thanks for ruining my dreams as well, Brookman. This was my only hope... *tears*

Chu's sister and kiwii

But why would anybody want to date a girl smasher? It's a lot easier to find a guy that plays smash.

So since we're talking about girls so much, what is the Samus vs. Peach matchup like? Personally I don't like her cuz it's a space lesbian.

Maybe it's the Samus I played against, but I personally see that matchup as free. Well, not free, but rather easy. We've got so many ways to destroy her missiles, and you've just got to be wary of her crouch cancel.

Actually, now that I think about it, you should probably just read the front page, cause I don't trust my Samus matchup experience. I just FC fair a lot, powershield missiles, and try not to get crouch cancelled. =P

It is never too late to get into melee!!!

You sure? I got into the game competitvely just last year, in September, and I fear that I'm too late. Like, by the time I'm able to go to tourneys, Melee could be a forgotten relic of the past! Then I'd have to play Brawl...Brawl Peach is not fun.

Well, now that I know that there are female smashers, I need a new smash theory.

ShroudedOne's smash theory:

Female Fox/Falcon/Falco mains do not exist. That is all.

 

[Palpi]

As long as you are having fun, you will improve and that is all that matters. I don't see myself becoming a top player any time soon...if at all, but I have fun, improve and hopefully turn a few heads at tournaments

 

[Armada]

Veril: I rememer a comment from that video but to be honest I never tried to phantom d-smash him.

I guess I should try and see if it works
And thanks for the compliment =)

 

[Winston]

Also Vist's girl, who plays daisy. Other EC peaches, we might need to have a talk with her about that.

she... doesn't really... play... >__>

like doesn't know how to float cancel and stuff

 

[ShroudedOne]

Phantom downsmash...if it's possible to get phantom on the first hit, I don't know if it's possible for all the hits to be phantom. But I don't really know.

Also, phantom stitchfaces are really demoralizing. And phantom kicks (Zelda).

EDIT: Is their a shield tier list? It's not really important or necessary, I'm just curious. I only know that Shiek would be near the top, and DK, G&W, and Pika would all be at the bottom.

 

[Veril]

Veril: I rememer a comment from that video but to be honest I never tried to phantom d-smash him.

I guess I should try and see if it works

Oh, my bad.

I couldn't get it to work with Jigglypuff, sadly. I've seen it occur with Characters that have a hurtbubble which could be positioned diagonally above the d-smash hitbox (ex. Bowser). I can't pretend I understand the mechanics behind it. I'll have to ask Cape next weekend when I visit. He knows waaaaaay more about melee than I do.

If you can pull it off that would be sweet.

And thanks for the compliment =)

I started playing Melee again because of your Peach. <3

Phantom downsmash...if it's possible to get phantom on the first hit, I don't know if it's possible for all the hits to be phantom. But I don't really know.

Also, phantom stitchfaces are really demoralizing. And phantom kicks (Zelda).

EDIT: Is their a shield tier list? It's not really important or necessary, I'm just curious. I only know that Shiek would be near the top, and DK, G&W, and Pika would all be at the bottom.

Phantom d-smash would land multiple hits if the opponent was stationary (like Jiggs after a missed rest), since peach doesn't shift position during the move afaik. The problem is landing it at all.

Phantom stichface lolwut?!

I don't really get why people love tier lists for everything... ok maybe I do. Peach's shield is mad good. That's all I really care about.

 

[Nicole]

HELLO MELEE PLAYERS HOW ARE YOU? GLAD I COULD PROVIDE CONVERSATION WITH MY SMASH INFLATION!

sup

 

[Rosedemon]

GURLS!

So I just found out that one of riots UI programmers is gay, and little bit cute (and obviously plays LoL).

But thats not what got me.

DIS ***** PLAYS MELEE!

And plays Peach.

Im ****ing in love.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

You might say he...

... drives you crazy?

 

[crush]

Sveet is that asian guy you?

 

[Veril]

GURLS!

So I just found out that one of riots UI programmers is gay, and little bit cute (and obviously plays LoL).

But thats not what got me.

DIS ***** PLAYS MELEE!

And plays Peach.

Lol who else would he play?

er... besides his Zelda/Shiek/Marth/Jigglypuff secondary.

 

[Rosedemon]

You might say he...

... drives you crazy?

Indeed I would

 

[MacD]

GURLS!

So I just found out that one of riots UI programmers is gay, and little bit cute (and obviously plays LoL).

But thats not what got me.

DIS ***** PLAYS MELEE!

And plays Peach.

Im ****ing in love.

oh damn, let's make a new friend alan

 

[thesage]

Personally I prefer Falcon mains. =/
They also tend to be marines. =)
They also turn out to be rather empty in the head. =(
Now I just edgeguard and combo them to death. Not worth the risk.

 

[mers]

Peach's dsmash hitboxes expand horizontally as the move continues, right? So you can't make all the hits phantom from next to somebody.

However, you can do it from above. The best example is when someone is shielding, because it holds their character model perfectly still. If their head is sticking out of their shield (*cough* Marth *cough*) and you're on a platform above them (FoD works great) it's surprisingly not that hard.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

you can make all the hits phantom, thats how the peach NBA WR is done http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQbRfJa73Q4