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Uair ground lock to falcon punch! *vid inside*
- Thread starter F5Hazardousdoc
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Ayaz18
Smash Champion
yeah i'm going to test this later.............it might not be today, cause I got mad homework to get on, BUT it will be known soon enough
Niko_K
Smash Master
This doesn't work. Lmfao.
Mit
Smash Ace
Would you like to prove it, or just spam?
Red-Blue
Was selected randomly
No, Niko_K is right. It doesn't work, because Niko's a legitimate source and all that. Right?
Ayaz18
Smash Champion
yeah bro, were thinking of set-ups now
Falcon has A LOT of resets it's just the set-up thats the problem.
Hiza
Smash Apprentice
- Joined
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Does not compute.
Niko_K
Smash Master
Stages have their own set knockback, and when someone is hit into the ground by a force lesser than the knockback of the stage(weight dependent,) the stage won't register the need to make them truly bounce. Instead you bounce off of nothing and thus you are forced to get up, because if you were to hit the stage, the game would register your options to tech and roll.
*Laser Locks, Block Locks, work because their knockback is less than the pre programmed stage knockback, and they continuously bounce off of nothing and a set percentage
Your solution to this is rather simple. DI. These ground locks only work because your opponent had not done anything about getting hit and bounced off the ground, thus causing the lock. It is not from X attack causing the lock..(Though, only X attacks have the pre reqs for the lock to occur)
This is why the famous Fthrow to fair with IC from 0 works until 33 against Bowser as well.
So before you guys blatantly tell me I'm spamming and sarcastically call me a legitimate source. Understand that the majority of you don't even have a thorough understanding of Brawl and never partook in the Melee competitive scene.
*Laser Locks, Block Locks, work because their knockback is less than the pre programmed stage knockback, and they continuously bounce off of nothing and a set percentage
Your solution to this is rather simple. DI. These ground locks only work because your opponent had not done anything about getting hit and bounced off the ground, thus causing the lock. It is not from X attack causing the lock..(Though, only X attacks have the pre reqs for the lock to occur)
This is why the famous Fthrow to fair with IC from 0 works until 33 against Bowser as well.
So before you guys blatantly tell me I'm spamming and sarcastically call me a legitimate source. Understand that the majority of you don't even have a thorough understanding of Brawl and never partook in the Melee competitive scene.
Xiahou Dun
Smash Ace
Which makes everything you post INVALID!!11
Niko_K
Smash Master
It justifies that your overall understanding of Smash Fundamentals are weaker than those who did. In Brawls metagame you can get away with things that you cannot get away with in Melee. Such as not DI'ing. Therefore if you only have played Brawl, you are most likely to not consider every possible mechanic to avoid such a technique, and thus you falsely believe it works.
Thanks for reading my post though.......
Thanks for reading my post though.......
Xiahou Dun
Smash Ace
No it doesn't. Your full understanding of Brawl's mechanics is not dependant on having played Melee.
Not responding =/= not reading. I read your post. I just didn't care to argue with you, I only felt need to comment on your elitism.
Ayaz18
Smash Champion
Attention Falcon boards:
STOP BEING STUPID
Niko is right, he's arguing that we cannot lock people in a continuous lock, I'm only interested in the reset that combo's into Falcon punch.......resets are something that Falcon NEEDS in order to become a threat.
STOP BEING STUPID
Niko is right, he's arguing that we cannot lock people in a continuous lock, I'm only interested in the reset that combo's into Falcon punch.......resets are something that Falcon NEEDS in order to become a threat.
I know he is right, and the reset?falcon punch is all we are looking into at the moment.
I am going to test the options luigi's mansion has to offer (as mentioned in the Q&A thread: Uthrow>Bair/Uair lock>falcon punch, etc.) later tonight, or tommorrow.
Hiza
Smash Apprentice
- Joined
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As of late, I find it progressively easier to deduce that such a concept eludes most of this board's attendees.
And you could also.... tech the dtrow... or JUMP out of it <.<
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
Hence the attempts to find set-ups.
As in, the end results are found, we're attempting to find set-ups because quite honestly, what else do we have to do around here?
Ayaz18
Smash Champion
Niko_K
Smash Master
I never said understanding Brawl's mechanics is dependent on playing Melee. I implied that, some fundamentals of SSB which are a necessity in game play in Melee, are not always necessary to do in Brawl. Thus, newer Brawl players often overlook certain aspects which could change the situation at hand.
Looking at the join dates of all the users in this thread (I'm not saying join date =/= experience), I made an assumption that the majority of the players in this thread are still learning more and more about Brawl, therefore they do not fully understand the game.
I'm not being an elitist, I'm giving an opinion and justifying it with fact, facts found within the game. So obviously you have a bit more to learn as well.
I argued that you cannot get a reset if the opponent is competent and aware of the situation.
Therefore these resets are a product of your opponents mistake.
Solutions to this(In order of their occurrence):
1. Tech the D-Throw
2. DI the D-Throw behind and up
3. Jump
4. Airdodge
Xiahou Dun
Smash Ace
Lol double negative.
Well more fool you.
Well more fool you. Perhaps you're right. But in this case they're still learning because they're new to Brawl not because they haven't played Melee's competitive scene. There's plenty of people extremely knowledgable about Brawl who never got into Melee.
Yes you are.
Where has this you guys don't understand Brawl becaus eyou never partook in the Melee Scene been proven?
Or maybe it's not a fact but just conjecture? Yes maybe that's the case.
Oh I'm not trying to argue this. I was just informing you that you were being a prick instead of just letting people know why this isn't guaranteed.
Yes it's the product of a mistake. And it's one hell of a useful product that pretty much all Falcon players wanna look out for that mistake and punish with no? So don't be so quick to shoot people down. It's still a good find.
t3h n00b
Smash Ace
Can you fthrow onto a platform? Like on Battlefield, standing on the right platform, to the left? If I can get on Brawl, I'll check, it probably doesn't work but I'll see I guess.
Xiahou Dun
Smash Ace
Evidently.
If that term has been redefined to mean "Politely requests people not be ***** when they talk to people and doesn't take kindly to people being douches" I gladly accept the title. If not then how so?
Niko_K
Smash Master
Quoting sentence fragments takes away the implication of a sentence since the full sentence is cut off....
Those points become invalid.
That being said, all of your points quoted were sentence fragments. Taking away what was really said, and arguing a point that I did not even make.
You justify that I wasn't proving why this isn't guaranteed, by telling me I'm being a prick??
I definitely justified why this isn't guaranteed.
Those points become invalid.
That being said, all of your points quoted were sentence fragments. Taking away what was really said, and arguing a point that I did not even make.
You justify that I wasn't proving why this isn't guaranteed, by telling me I'm being a prick??
I definitely justified why this isn't guaranteed.
Ayaz18
Smash Champion
Ayaz18
Smash Champion
to english class!
Niko_K
Smash Master
u wat u lose xD
Please stop this arguement. @Niko, we were never saying this combo was easy to set up, or practiacal. We are still looking for setups, wich will make this harder to avoid (as in, making it harder for the opponent to tech+avoid this). Although the chances are slim, we can still try, as lock>falcon punch racks does good damage, and the Non sweet spotted Bair lock>falcon punch can KO.
And@Xiahou Dun
Calling the other person taking part in the discussion a douche, or something along that line, is never the best option. I agree with you for the most part, but Niko does know his facts (and I am certain you do, too), So this arguement is going nowhere.
Make love, not war, and please help us find a possible setup for this
And@Xiahou Dun
Calling the other person taking part in the discussion a douche, or something along that line, is never the best option. I agree with you for the most part, but Niko does know his facts (and I am certain you do, too), So this arguement is going nowhere.
Make love, not war, and please help us find a possible setup for this
Xiahou Dun
Smash Ace
Your mum's invalid.
Sure if I take something out of context it may destroy the implications. but I didn't destroy the implications. I just directly responded to what you said. I was seperating things to make it clear what I'm referring to so there's no confusion. You say "This" and I respond with "That". It works perfectly fine in verbal conversation, and the same with type.
And you still have me wrong. So I guess even if you take it as a whole you can still get the wrong idea. I wasn't saying you're not proving it isn't guaranteed because you're a prick. I agreed that you gave a logical reason for why it wasn't guaranteed but said there's no need to be a prick about it when you're informing people that they are wrong?
pass that s hit fool!
Mit
Smash Ace
If you would've just posted this in the first place, you wouldn't have received any flack about it >_>
Anyhow, it does sound like you think that we think the d-throw part works. Reading a bit more you would know we are all well aware that it would never happen like that. We're just talking about if they DO bounce off the stage, regardless of what happened to cause it, we can uair the bounce and Falcon Punch (or other things. We can also bair the bounce).
It's just something good to know should it ever happen (like an unexpected foostool or something), and we're currently trying to find ways to set stuff like this up to occur more often (like Link throwing a bomb down at you and foostooling you as you soon as you bounce upward, then fastfall nairing your bounce).
Ayaz18
Smash Champion
one sec.....
I do too.
guys..........let's do something progressive!
stop being idiots and ignoring the facts.