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This is either going to be really great or really terrible

Jam Stunna

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I was in my local Gamestop, purchasing Sonic Unleashed with my wife. Next to the register was a little cardboard display for Monster Hunter Tri, with free demo discs. I’d never played a Monster Hunter game, but Tri was getting a lot of hype, and hell the disc was free, so I thought, why not? I grabbed one and threw it into my bag.

It sat on my bookshelf for a week or two, until I was bored enough to remember that it was there. So I popped it in, cursing the absurdity of the wiimote and nunchuck setup as I stumbled across the game world. I was a character with red, spiky armor and a gigantic sword. After wondering aimlessly for a minute or so, I came across two dinosaurs, minding their own business and eating grass in a field. I hadn’t used my gigantic sword yet, and this was the perfect opportunity. My character pulled it from off his back, lifted it high above his head, and swung it down ferociously. It slammed into the dinosaur, who cried out in agony and collapsed to the earth, writhing in agony for a few moments before dying.

For reasons that are still not entirely clear to me, I thought, “Cows are killed like this to make hamburger.” And in that moment, I decided to stop eating beef.

Now hold one second. Am I really suggesting that a videogame made me aware of the moral dubiousness of eating beef? I am, and believe me, I know just how stupid that sounds. For whatever reason, the two linked together in my mind on that day. That was back in April, and I’ve only had beef once since then, and only as a mistake.

Once it became clear that this was for real (and no one was more surprised than me), I began thinking about sealing the deal and going full vegetarian. What a development. I’d spent my entire life making fun of vegetarians as over-sentimental chumps, and here I was seriously contemplating joining their ranks. There was only one thing standing in my way: a footlong oven roasted chicken breast sub, with bacon, lettuce, tomato and ranch sauce. That’s the bootleg Chicken Bacon Ranch sandwich that I get at the Subway next to my job (for whatever reason, getting the chicken breast as opposed to the chicken strips makes the sandwich almost a dollar cheaper). That’s what I ate for lunch at work every day, six days a week. I loved it, and I’d be ****ed if I was going to start ordering a Veggie Delight sub.

But along came another videogame to ruin my fun. I blame Smash this time, because if there was no Smash there would be no SWF, and if there was no SWF there would be no WWYP, and if there was no WWYP I would have never read KrazyGlue’s story. You should read it, it’s pretty good, and without giving away the plot, that story pushed me to finally become a full-blown vegetarian. My wife had joined me in leaving beef behind, but how would she react to a firm “no face on my plate!” policy?

She took it pretty well. Extremely well, actually. My plan was to phase out meat gradually, and become fully vegetarian by January 1st. When I told my wife about it, she gave away all our meat the very next day. I am now going on one week being meat-free.

How is it working out? It’s still too early to tell. I’ve given up my Subway, and instead pack two peanut butter and jelly sandwiches to work. But PB & J isn’t going to sustain our family forever, so we have to learn how to cook vegetarian food. Today was my first trip to the grocery store since the transition. Here’s a sample of our list:

Bananas
Strawberries
4 tomatoes
Bag of lentils
Bag of black beans
Bag of chickpeas
2 avocados
Tumeric
Coriander
Potatoes
Curry Powder
And it goes on like that. I’d never even heard of coriander before today. What the hell is it? All I know is that I paid almost $7 for it. To be fair though, once I was done buying everything, my post-meat total expenditure was almost 33% less than what I spent when chicken, hot dogs, lunch meat and ground turkey were still on the list.

My wife has constantly asked me for assurances that I wouldn’t go back, that I’m committed to being a vegetarian forever. I intend to be. After all, this was my idea. But I’m human. I’m weak. And I like chicken. In the end, those “Meat is Murder” nutjobs got me. Let’s see how long they can hold me.

P.S.- I tried the Veggie Delight at Subway. It tastes like someone compressed hay and sawdust into a patty.
 

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You don't want to know how many times I've heard this debate. I guess it all goes to if you believe killing a cow is worth that steak dinner. I actually once tried to be vegetarian (I don't remember what the circumstances were, I think I saw a video on the subject for whatever reason), it lasted for about a week before I was in dire need of some grilled chicken. These days whenever I eat meat I just don't think about it's origins (although I can't even remember the last time I had a hot dog).
 

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I lold so hard cuz wen i read the part were u described the sandwich, a subway commercial came on TV!! And i agree on how the veggie sandwich tasted...
 

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By no means am I a vegetarian, but I adore Boca Burgers, sausages, and all the other vegetarian variants. A little Italian dressing, soy sauce, or some other topping of choice negates the "green" taste to it.
 

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And it goes on like that. I’d never even heard of coriander before today. What the hell is it? All I know is that I paid almost $7 for it.
That part made me laugh.

I decided to go veggie a few years ago. For me, what made the change was watching somebody chop a chicken's head off. I realised that that is something I could never do, therefore how can I eat meat? I've been much slower at making the change though. I've basically removed pork, beef and chicken from my diet but still eat fish and I'll eat meat if other people are throwing it away (I live with 4 other guys, things get wasted). Removing things one by one gives me time to find new substitutes and adjust accordingly. Its worked for me so far, I don't crave the meats I've cut out at all. I plan to stop purchasing meat by the time I graduate (hopefully 2 more years). Will I always eat food that's going to waste? Probably. At least for now, I don't feel the two principles clash - I didn't support the purchase of dead animals and I don't like food to be wasted.

The hardest part of being vegetarian is buying fast food - the veggie options are terrible. I struggled most on my trip to America in easter. Restaurants' ideas of vegetarian food is cheese and fried things over there. I don't like either :mad: The English do it much better. Personally I think Indian meals are the best way to go for home cooking. If I could have someone cook me curries for the rest of my life, I'd honestly switch to vegetarian right now and wouldn't miss meat in the slightest.
 

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Good job!

I love eating beef too much but I still salute you.

I'm the guy who sends the cows to the butcher shop.
 

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Don't cows produce large amounts of methane gas a year?

At least you're not eating tofu, that's stuff is nasty.

@REL38, No offense but just the other day I performed a massacre on ants...
 

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I could never be a vegetarian because I love meat too much. I would give you reasons why 'eating meat isn't wrong', etc. but I don't wanna start a flame war.

At least you got motivation to stick with what you decided. Good.
 

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Soy tastes good. Tofu is fantastic.

I went vegetarian for a few months to support my girlfriend, it was nice. I hope you can last bro.
 

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SuperBowser said:
I decided to go veggie a few years ago. For me, what made the change was watching somebody chop a chicken's head off. I realised that that is something I could never do, therefore how can I eat meat?
I would never detain someone in Guantánamo Bay, yet I can still live with being an American.
 

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I would never detain someone in Guantánamo Bay, yet I can still live with being an American.
I'm not sure if it's a good idea to go into this debate. People always ruin it.

Being an american means so much more. Do you feel your government's actions directly and always reflect your beliefs? Purchasing and eating an animal signifies one believes it is okay to unnecessarily kill another living creature. When I buy a kebab, my actions directly reflect my beliefs (or my apathy).
 

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I decided to go veggie a few years ago. For me, what made the change was watching somebody chop a chicken's head off. I realised that that is something I could never do, therefore how can I eat meat?
lolololololol really? Back when i lived on a farm with my grandparents i helped kill chickens and slaughter the pigs! i was 7 at the time and it didn't phase me at all lol. Then again we ate it, so it was for survival. I don't think mass slaughtering is right. I think people should just kill their own food or buy meat that has been killed by a real farmer. I feel like telling you guys how the pig was killed.

First, we had this really big steel contraption that looked like the thing you draw when you're playing hang man. then we hang the pig upside down from it (at this point its still alive). After about 30 or so minutes, we bring the pig down, lay is on a big stone kind of table, strap it down, and slit its throat. We drain all the blood but we don't let anything go to waste so we use that to make some sort of blood pudding. It sounds nasty but it is soooo delicious. I have no idea how they made it, but it was blood and chocolate, and believe me it is still the most delicious desert i ever had. You cant fake blood.

Oh and the small intestines are soaked in vinegar water, and rinsed extremely well (i cant spell thurolly) to make sure there aren't any traces of intestinal waste and they are used to hold the meat for a sausage. Home made sausages are the only ones i like :)
 

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Don't cows produce large amounts of methane gas a year?

At least you're not eating tofu, that's stuff is nasty.

@REL38, No offense but just the other day I performed a massacre on ants...


I remember attracting out a swarm of ants with scrap food only to drown them with a bucket of water

I feel kinda bad looking back at it :/


@Skinny

My dad kinda did the same thing, but drove a sword through the back of its neck to heart to kill it

He also mentioned how a lot of butcher's used the blood for a soup
 

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I'm not sure if it's a good idea to go into this debate. People always ruin it.

Being an american means so much more. Do you feel your government's actions directly and always reflect your beliefs? Purchasing and eating an animal signifies one believes it is okay to unnecessarily kill another living creature. When I buy a kebab, my actions directly reflect my beliefs (or my apathy).
In your original quote, you stated that the reason why you became a vegetarian was because you couldn't imagine yourself killing a chicken. Due to the fact that you could never do that, you could never eat meat. To be honest, I don't care whether you eat plants, bugs, birds, or snakes on a plane. I just don't understand the correlation between being unable to kill an animal and being unable to eat an animal. We aren't hunter gatherers like in Turok or Monster Hunter. We have groceries where we buy our food in a very civil manner, cook it in a very civil manner, and eat it in a very civil manner. Purchasing and eating an animal means that you really like the taste and the nutritional benefits that come form eating that animal.

In a similar vein, being an American doesn't mean that you have to imagine yourself torturing prisoners in Guantánamo. It is illogical to state that you have to imagine building a cell phone when you buy one or think about writing a book when you read one. There is simply a big difference between killing something and eating something that has been packaged and processed.

Purchasing and eating plants signifies one believes it is okay to kill another living organism. When I buy corn, my actions directly reflect my beliefs (or my apathy).
 

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I just don't understand the correlation between being unable to kill an animal and being unable to eat an animal.
If you can separate yourself from what you eat so easily, then great for you. But I personally can't do such a thing. I should have gone to more length on my original story but it wasn't intended for justifying my beliefs in a debate. That story is from India. I went to a butcher's to get meat for dinner one evening. I watched the man write down my order, pull a chicken out of a crammed, dirty, tiny cage, place it on a bloodied stone outside his shop and then behead it.

In our civilized society it's so easy to turn a blind eye to where our food comes from. We don't need to acknowledge such cold, hard truths. But ignorance changes nothing. When I buy a chicken I pay somebody to kill it; I may as well be killing it. I do not wish to eat an animal because I do not believe an animal should suffer for such little gain.

Purchasing and eating plants signifies one believes it is okay to unnecessarily kill another living creature. When I buy corn, my actions directly reflect my beliefs (or my apathy).
You know what I meant and you know this is silly; a strawman in fact. Plants don't have a nervous system.


...I loved snakes on a plane. :bee:
 

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I am a vegetarian. Have been for...not sure exactly. But since i was young, really young. Like early single digits young. (i'm 17, almost 18 now).

The reason is because i don't like how it tastes. Which i know, sounds crazy. I don't like the taste of any meat, fish, etc. I don't really want to go into the reasons why, because it is a long story/personal reasons.

I try some meat and things every once in a while, but i still never like it. I only eat certain foods. It is a very small list, compared to 'normal' people.

I have been made fun of/insult/etc because i don't eat meat throughout my life. I am also quite skinny, so people make fun of me for that/relate it to "because i don't eat meat". I have always tried to hide it, or just make it not noticeable. I tend to do a good job at hiding it usually. I just don't want to deal with it.

bleh, could go on. Now i'm in a bad mood.
 

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You know what I meant and you know this is silly; a strawman in fact. Plants don't have a nervous system.
I believe that there was a study that proved that plants do indeed have a nervous system. Some sort of reaction goes on when you cut them/pluck them similar to the reaction animals undergo when they are hurt. Just because they don't squeal/scream doesn't mean they aren't in pain. ;)
 

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^ wow, thanks. i just spent tons of time the past few days being forced to do dumb pointless yardwork with my parents, now you tell me that i'm hurting plants?! =/
 

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^ wow, thanks. i just spent tons of time the past few days being forced to do dumb pointless yardwork with my parents, now you tell me that i'm hurting plants?! =/
Lesson learned: When your parents ask you to mow the lawn or weed the garden, refuse on the grounds that you aren't a mass murderer.



Then, go on to eat nothing, because by eating anything you have forced someone to kill something. It's clearly better for one to starve and die themselves than to cause the death of an animal or plant that doesn't even know what is going on. Survival of the fittest FTW!

:034:
 

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I believe that there was a study that proved that plants do indeed have a nervous system. Some sort of reaction goes on when you cut them/pluck them similar to the reaction animals undergo when they are hurt. Just because they don't squeal/scream doesn't mean they aren't in pain. ;)
I don't think you know what a nervous system is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nervous_system
 

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Lesson learned: When your parents ask you to mow the lawn or weed the garden, refuse on the grounds that you aren't a mass murderer.



Then, go on to eat nothing, because by eating anything you have forced someone to kill something. It's clearly better for one to starve and die themselves than to cause the death of an animal or plant that doesn't even know what is going on. Survival of the fittest FTW!

:034:
i c wut u did thar
 

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Link to original post: [drupal=3492]This is either going to be really great or really terrible[/drupal]



I was in my local Gamestop, purchasing Sonic Unleashed with my wife. Next to the register was a little cardboard display for Monster Hunter Tri, with free demo discs. I’d never played a Monster Hunter game, but Tri was getting a lot of hype, and hell the disc was free, so I thought, why not? I grabbed one and threw it into my bag.

It sat on my bookshelf for a week or two, until I was bored enough to remember that it was there. So I popped it in, cursing the absurdity of the wiimote and nunchuck setup as I stumbled across the game world. I was a character with red, spiky armor and a gigantic sword. After wondering aimlessly for a minute or so, I came across two dinosaurs, minding their own business and eating grass in a field. I hadn’t used my gigantic sword yet, and this was the perfect opportunity. My character pulled it from off his back, lifted it high above his head, and swung it down ferociously. It slammed into the dinosaur, who cried out in agony and collapsed to the earth, writhing in agony for a few moments before dying.

For reasons that are still not entirely clear to me, I thought, “Cows are killed like this to make hamburger.” And in that moment, I decided to stop eating beef.

Now hold one second. Am I really suggesting that a videogame made me aware of the moral dubiousness of eating beef? I am, and believe me, I know just how stupid that sounds. For whatever reason, the two linked together in my mind on that day. That was back in April, and I’ve only had beef once since then, and only as a mistake.

Once it became clear that this was for real (and no one was more surprised than me), I began thinking about sealing the deal and going full vegetarian. What a development. I’d spent my entire life making fun of vegetarians as over-sentimental chumps, and here I was seriously contemplating joining their ranks. There was only one thing standing in my way: a footlong oven roasted chicken breast sub, with bacon, lettuce, tomato and ranch sauce. That’s the bootleg Chicken Bacon Ranch sandwich that I get at the Subway next to my job (for whatever reason, getting the chicken breast as opposed to the chicken strips makes the sandwich almost a dollar cheaper). That’s what I ate for lunch at work every day, six days a week. I loved it, and I’d be ****ed if I was going to start ordering a Veggie Delight sub.

But along came another videogame to ruin my fun. I blame Smash this time, because if there was no Smash there would be no SWF, and if there was no SWF there would be no WWYP, and if there was no WWYP I would have never read KrazyGlue’s story. You should read it, it’s pretty good, and without giving away the plot, that story pushed me to finally become a full-blown vegetarian. My wife had joined me in leaving beef behind, but how would she react to a firm “no face on my plate!” policy?

She took it pretty well. Extremely well, actually. My plan was to phase out meat gradually, and become fully vegetarian by January 1st. When I told my wife about it, she gave away all our meat the very next day. I am now going on one week being meat-free.

How is it working out? It’s still too early to tell. I’ve given up my Subway, and instead pack two peanut butter and jelly sandwiches to work. But PB & J isn’t going to sustain our family forever, so we have to learn how to cook vegetarian food. Today was my first trip to the grocery store since the transition. Here’s a sample of our list:



And it goes on like that. I’d never even heard of coriander before today. What the hell is it? All I know is that I paid almost $7 for it. To be fair though, once I was done buying everything, my post-meat total expenditure was almost 33% less than what I spent when chicken, hot dogs, lunch meat and ground turkey were still on the list.

My wife has constantly asked me for assurances that I wouldn’t go back, that I’m committed to being a vegetarian forever. I intend to be. After all, this was my idea. But I’m human. I’m weak. And I like chicken. In the end, those “Meat is Murder” nutjobs got me. Let’s see how long they can hold me.

P.S.- I tried the Veggie Delight at Subway. It tastes like someone compressed hay and sawdust into a patty.
tl;dr 5 dollar, 5 dollar, 5 dollar foooootlongggggggggggg

chicken bacon ranch tastes better than a chicken breast with bacon, because the patty is frozen and the strips are not.
 

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You miss out on a lot of nutrition by not eating meat. (However, I doubt Subway's meats are any good for you to begin with.) Meat and fish have important fats oils and proteins that are extremely hard to replace with fruits vegetables and supplements.

Granted the vegetarian diet is probably more healthy than the standard American diet of processed EVERYTHING, your body requires certain nutrients that come from from certain foods. The amounts are different from person to person, but if you ignore some for an extended period, your health and mood can be effected drastically.
 

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I disagree. Which nutrients are you specifically thinking of?

Granted, it's good to do a little research before you change your diet to vegetarian, but I don't think it's particularly hard to find foods that replace meat.
 

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For reasons that are still not entirely clear to me, I thought, “Cows are killed like this to make hamburger.” And in that moment, I decided to stop eating beef. .
It's also similar to how animals kill other animals in the wild to survive, so I don't see what's wrong with it.

If you're going to say we're just animals too like the rest of them, then there'd be nothing wrong with eating meat, considering it's natural for other animals to do it too.

Or if you're going to say that humans are different and therefore shouldn't kill animals, then you've just basically admitted that humans aren't really animals and that we're superior to them.

If it isn't natural for humans to eat animals, it doesn't make sense then why our bodies are structured so that meat has health benfits for us, and why our taste receptors are deisgned to give a positive reaction to the experience of meat (ie. they make meat taste good).

The only reason why we find it so disturbing is because we're so privellaged and spoilt that we can sit at our computers, in a society completely dettached from nature, and have other people do all the work for us. So as soon as our bubble is broken and we are exposed to the harsh reality of the world we're disturbed and make out it's so wrong just because it's not compatible with the illusion we live in.

I bet killing animals isn't that disturbing for all those poor rural tribes around the world who have to hunt for themselves everyday merely to survive.

It's ironic that in western society we label killing animals 'unantural' and disturbing, yet we're the ones who are most dettached from nature, and anyone who is familiar with nature knows how disturbing the reality of it is. It's the people in those rural tribes who are most familiar with nature, not us.
 

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I have a similar story as to why I will never become a vegetarian, Jam.

Several years ago, while pondering going veggie because I felt bad about killing animals, I was reading Eragon (it might have been Eldest, actually). At one point in the book, Eragon becomes really in-tune with the life force of the world, feels awful whenever he has to kill an animal to eat it, and becomes a vegetarian. Saphira learns this, and says something similar to "Plants are prey's food."

Something clicked in me that I wasn't prey, and I stopped caring about killing animals for food.

Also, for the record, plants can feel things. How else would venus fly traps know when to close?
 

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You miss out on a lot of nutrition by not eating meat. (However, I doubt Subway's meats are any good for you to begin with.) Meat and fish have important fats oils and proteins that are extremely hard to replace with fruits vegetables and supplements.

Granted the vegetarian diet is probably more healthy than the standard American diet of processed EVERYTHING, your body requires certain nutrients that come from from certain foods. The amounts are different from person to person, but if you ignore some for an extended period, your health and mood can be effected drastically.
I USED to think this was true, but now I've found this argument completely untrue for vegetarianism

There are various ways to obtain nutrients such as Iron, Protien and Vitamin B12 aside from eating meat, fish and fowls
 

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I don't think I'll ever become a vegetarian. I don't care if I eat animals, it's natural.
And it's not like I am saving them or anything like that, they will still be killed and eaten by someone else even if it isn't me.
Also, meat tastes good and is an easy way to get iron, protein, vitamin B12, etc...
 

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The only meat (or meat company) I really have a beef against (haha pun) is Tyson mother carping chicken.
The way they produce meat is sickening.
 

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I had a 1 lb homemade backon cheeseburger the other night and it was ****ing delicious. And for the record, not eating meat because you dont like how the animal dies is kind of......well odd(I'd put it another way but I <3 you Jam so I'll spare the ridicule) Would you eat a burger if you found out the cow died of natural causes?
 
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