Theory about Marth Mains and how they progress.

[ChaosKnight]

So I have played melee to a very high level and for me im going to assume that most of you played Melee at one point before you played brawl... but some just picked smash when brawl came out..

My theory for Marth mains and how they progress is based on if you ever played melee or at least played some melee(to at least learn advance tactics.) ... i know there are some marth mains that just started playing at brawls release...here is a question to the ones that just started at brawl .....
do you think that not playing melee slows down your progression???

I for one think melee ....... and how far i got into it helped me greatly with my marth..


do you guys consider it to hinder your progression or make it better because that way you don't have memories of how you used to play in melee??

i think that progression would greatly increase if you played melee but thats just my theory...

here are some categories -- Look at which one you fall into and answer accordingly


Marth Main #1 -- Played melee to a great Extent actually did very well in there own regions-- how do you feel you are progressing

Marth Main #2 - Played melee to a lesser extent but at least learned advance tactics .. ----how do you feel you are progressing?

Marth Main #3 - Did not play Melee at all and picked up the game at brawl..
-------How do you feel you are progressing?


post your answers and which category you consider yourself in... and Theorize about how to improve your progression..:******:

 

[Pr0phetic]

I played Melee a lot, but got into the ATs and competitive seen all to late. But yes I agree, I personally believe it helps a lot.

I'd be Marth Main #2, I've been getting really good thanks to the boards and the practice I receive.

 

[BacklashMarth]

^Ditto. Learned some advanced tactics but stopped short of wavedashing. Actually, i am sorta glad i didnt learn it because it feels more natural to play brawl marth now. Problem is, the small modifications made to brawl (airdodge mechanics and shieldgrab rapeness) make brawl feel like a completely different game when i flip between the two. However, playing marth as i did in melee from the release of brawl did give me a good basic and somewhat effective playstyle. I learned what things in melee didnt work in brawl and i ended up discarding those things quickly.

In short, playing marth in melee i feel helped me progress faster with marth in brawl.

 

[VietGeek]

"Marth Main #3 - Did not play Melee at all and picked up the game at brawl."

I believe you personally know my answer to this since there is a slight...sensation in your eyes...

 

[BBoyindo]

I'm Marth Main #2 as well. I learned the basic advanced thech such as Dash dancing, Wavedashing, L-canceling, SHFFLing, Crouch cancelling, and other ****. Never played it competetively though.
I think, because i know at least the basic competetive melee stuff, that i progress faster then newcomers, because Melee is often used as a point of reference. I knew all the characters and their moves already before i played brawl, so i knew what to expect earlier then non melee'ers.
If you have played Melee with AT's and ****, you know a lot more about the game, and you can improve easier and faster.
But still, even though i am at a reasonable level now, i want to get so much better!!! I am actually learning to play Melee again lol. Partly to get some more tech skill, and also because the game is just so much faster, so Brawl will seem easier lol.
Btw does anyone know a good Marth of the 3rd category? I don't think there are many.
EDIT: Didn't see Viet's comment yet lol.

 

[Jimnymebob]

I had played Melee for a few days at Christmas 2005, but it broke, and I only got to play it in Feb or March 2008, just a few months before Brawl's release. I played it and unlocked everyone, but I only played it single player, and didn't learn any AT's. When I got Brawl I played multiplayer, and developed a lot of my skill through the SSE.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

I was a scrub at melee i knew some AT's and such and for some reason i couldn't finish Marths DB in melee. Actually one of the reason i started picking Marth was because his DB was so easy to do in brawl. However, the small improvements in brawl that i've made so far has really improved my melee marth. Even though i still can't DB in melee i do notice the differences though. I used peach in melee cuz of her dsmash and comeback.

 

[ChaosKnight]

i am marth main #1 just in case i didnt answer it in my first Post

 

[BBoyindo]

I had played Melee for a few days at Christmas 2005, but it broke, and I only got to play it in Feb or March 2008, just a few months before Brawl's release. I played it and unlocked everyone, but I only played it single player, and didn't learn any AT's. When I got Brawl I played multiplayer, and developed a lot of my skill through the SSE.

And how are you progressing? Do you feel like you are much slower because you have no Melee experience, or are you doing fine?

 

[LanceStern]

Brawl kinda ups your game in melee I found out.

Especially the usefulness of jabs and spacing. Brawl kinda opened that up to my eyes.

 

[TreK]

marth main 2.5 lol
i know about melee ATs and know how to do them, but i suck so much at this game it's ridiculous xD

being a #3 marth helps at NOT having melee habits like going for the ken combo everytime and stuff o_o'
from what i saw, melee marths were aggressive and always running... my is campy, defensive, walky, everything-but-aggressivy xD
The stuff i miss is DI-following. I see pro marths doing stuff i wouldn't even try o_o'

 

[Remzi]

#2 here, I learned about the competitive scene far too late to ever really get into it. But I learned all the **** and ***** my friends.

Anyways, basic melee knowledge did a lot to help me, though I wouldn't consider it a pivotal factor in my improvement.

 

[ZHMT]

Well...I played Melee, I was good locally, not on any Power Rankings or anything. I knew the basic concepts and some AT's, spacing, exc...

I tried to play Melee Marth in Brawl and got *****. I started getting 'better' once I found out it was a different game xD.

But thats just me....everyones different.

 

[∫unk]

I didn't know about competitive fighting until my first brawl tourney 3 months ago

I've probably improved more than anyone but it's cause I started so low and constantly played the best

 

[BBoyindo]

I didn't know about competitive fighting until my first brawl tourney 3 months ago

I've probably improved more than anyone but it's cause I started so low and constantly played the best

You know Junk i have so much respect for you.

 

[VietGeek]

Junk I think you deserve to stand my Steel on my Jealousy Tier List...

Sigh...<_<

 

[ChaosKnight]

I didn't know about competitive fighting until my first brawl tourney 3 months ago

I've probably improved more than anyone but it's cause I started so low and constantly played the best

awesomeness but you notice progression right and the best like BoA and DSF right ex melee players :x

 

[VGSteve]

I think I would be considered between 1 and 2. I learned the Ats, and played a little competitively. I played other competitive smashers and I was able to hold my own against them.

I've been playing Marth for several years now, and I would say that the melee experience could be carried over to a certain extent. The same basic premise is still intact, Marth is a character best suited to switching between offense and defense, and that transferred over to Brawl. Actually, when Brawl first came out I told myself that I wasn't going to play Marth because I wanted to have the feeling of learning a new character. I picked Lucario, and played as him for quite a while. I got bored one day and picked Marth for old time sake, and as it turns out, I was pretty good with him. I play semi-competitively and I only needed to tweak a few thing to round out my game better.

 

[Nightshine]

I had been playing Smash since it's N64 days and when melee came out got it and started playing Marth, but I didn't know about this site or how competitive people play it until last year a month before Brawl so i say im number #2. I knew some things but could never really do them well.

I think having played Marth in melee helps a little bit in a way. But so does playing Melee before Brawl came out anyway. It gives you experience of the way the game is played, maybe not competitively, but you'll still know basic things about the game so you don't start playing Brawl completly not knowing how anything works or what does what.

 

[Remzi]

A lot of things translate over, and having played Melee will obviously make it significantly easier to adapt. Things such as short hopped aerials, familiarity with a characters moveset, edge hogging, edge guarding, etc were all much easier to get up to speed with for someone who played Melee.

Beyond that, playing any competitive fighter before this would put you in the right mindset. Someone like CK who played Melee competitively probably knew what to expect upon entering the competitive Brawl scene. He probably had an easier time picking up peoples habits and analyzing his own game. He more than likely avoided the whole nervous phase as well.

Playing Melee helped, playing Melee competitively helped more. Neither would make or break your performance in Brawl, though.

 

[Steel_Samurai]

I would fall between 2 and 3
I played melee a lot, but I played with items 4 player FFA with items on
When Brawl came out, I just decided to get better, and I found playing competitively was the most fun way to play

I sometimes wish I could go back to when melee was released and start from there, I think my progression would be better with melee under my belt. At tournies I feel like some people have kind of a headstart over me

 

[magikguy]

Marth main #2 yep i practiced the advanced techniques , That's where i got most of my basic info on smash baros

 

[Kishin]

I'm Marth main #3, I feel special.

I didn't even use a gamecube controller at first because I didn't have one. After a long pattern of thinking I was good, then getting completely owned afterwords... I decided that I was going to start playing brawl more serious and actually learn the game. My first step was to get a gamecube controller, and I did. My second plan was to start small, Gamefaqs. So I joined Gamefaqs in November 27th, about 4-5 months after I got brawl, and 8 months after it was released in the US. I quickly noticed they had some sort of competition for the best <insert character here>. I quickly realized my first goal at hand, to get a chance to play against the Marth Champ of Gamefaqs (which back then, and at the time of this post, is Bizkit047). So the task of getting better by challenging random gamefaqs people began. I knew that the crappy wi-fi wasn't going to make me better very quickly, so I went here on Smashboards to ask questions and learn a bit. Well I'm bored of typing all this crap, this is really boring.

TL;DR
I sucks at brawl, I've gotten better, but I'm still bad

I think how mature you are has a large role in how you progress. Playing melee back then for sure increasing your ability to comprehend brawl. Melee already trained your technical skill and what not as for completely new players of the series had to learn from the beginning. Probably most 14 year olds such as I never had the chance to experience melee back then. In fact, I think that's the area of the game I fail at the most, technical skill. Inputting buttons is probably the thing I fail at the most, or maybe that's just online wi-fi delay since I never have the chance to play offline.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

I don't use a GC controller I don't like them.

 

[BanjoKazooiePro]

Easy for me to say #2. I played melee when it came out, and I loved it, but I was never really good at it because I was much younger when I was really into it. However, now that I've recently been playing it more and trying to get better, I feel like it has only done my brawl game good. It's easy for me to visualize my next move and advanced techniques come much easier to me. I definitely think that after playing melee for a while your brawl game will be better. Only thing that can screw you up is being able to air dodge multiple times, I'd say. Brawl is also in my opinion a bit easier to play, so if you're pretty good at melee, you'll definitely succeed at brawl. (With practice, of course)

 

[MikeSanti]

I was # 2, only knowing the L-Cancel and Wavedash.

When I first picked up Marth in October I was pretty bad at spacing so I constantly tried to improve on that. I only watched videos of probably all of you marths in the marth boards (those who have videos) and took ideas from such. Wasn't until December when I got better, then January til' I got much better than before. At the moment I'm trying to see what's good for me as lately I've been trying certain things and haven't quite been working out. What I really need is to face the pros to improve.

 

[ViCTORiOUSViC]

I wud consider myself a Marth main #2
I learned da ATs n everything n it helped with my BrawL gameplay..but Melee Marth's DB is kinda laggy

 

[Punishment Divine]

I'm almost number 2 lol. I knew about them but I didn't care enough to try too hard to do them. I mostly spammed smashes and played with items. I mained Shiek in Melee mostly, too, but I played a little Marth.

I feel like I did advance slower than others who played Melee. A lot slower really lol. I mean from February I decided pretty much to get into this game competitively and the first few months were me learning basic serious gameplay. Then all the bad habits along the way, spacing, everything I had to spend a lot of time on. I still am lol

Now I'm playing Melee a lot, though and Brawl has certainly helped my Melee game

 

[Steel]

I learned about competitive melee a month before brawl came out.

 

[Rave925]

I was marth main #2.

Mainly because I got into melee competetively way too late. i got down most of the AT's, but I only had one other guy who was around my level that i played with. Plus, by the time I got really good at melee, brawl came out. I must say though, I still play melee every now and then and I think with the fast thinking skills and reactions in Melee(very similar to that of Brawl), it helps out very much so.

 

[legion598]

I didnt play melee before brawl much and I found that learning the brawl strategies first may have sped up my brawl marth progression. I think he has achieved a happy medium between offense and defense when im playing well. Then I tried to pick up melee after playing brawl and although I can do all the ATs I am not able to use them in a strategic match and my melee progression is slowed down significantly because I also play brawl.

 

[OmegaXF]

I played hella Melee back in my GCube days. My habits of DD have also transferred into my Brawl game along with my aggressive nature while playing Marth as I feel in control. And I'm trying to find a way to bring the broken NAir back lol so yeah Melee definitely helps.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I'm #3, and I got into the Brawl scene in November. I'm improving. Kinda. All in all I'm pretty bad.

 

[Drews0]

I'm a number 2, but I was pretty much the only person who played melee in my area, so I knew everything, but had no humans to fight.
Overall I'd say the human contact aspect is really much more important than pure tech skill (though you still kind of need it), since in melee I had developed an incerdibly over-the-top offense that was as crappy in a real comp as it was insane.
Now that I've started getting into the ACT Brawl stuff I think that melee might have helped me do alot of movement and tech "tricks", but it wasn't as helpful as just learning matchups progressively and steadily getting used to the physics/more defensive Marth style you sometimes need.

Finally : Experience in Brawl > Playing melee where the speed of my progression is concerned (especially spacing G&W, Mario, and Wolf, eeek I still suck.)

 

[Kishin]

Maybe a list should be added?

 

[BBoyindo]

Maybe a list should be added?

A list of what?
Btw i'm playing a lot melee lately but i'm having problems putting the wavedash into my game. Any tips?

 

[§witch]

A list of what?
Btw i'm playing a lot melee lately but i'm having problems putting the wavedash into my game. Any tips?

It's basically an advanced spacing tool, you're probably better off perfecting shffl's and just use WD for edgehogs.

 

[xxmoosexx]

I have no expiereince with melee at ALL, i played the first and got realy good at it for a 7 year old.


Really im kinda stuck, i dont know what to do anymore. The only thing i havae trouble with is DB, but i can do it if i try, its not a second nature.

Ya know how ur like IN THE ZONE and its second nature to everythign u do and there's nothing to pull you out, well i have to get out of that zone to do DB and thats like the whole game, its really annoying. D:

Can anyone help me get across the giant effing platuae in front of me? I dont even know what im missing, before i knew how to get over the curve now its....well....i dunno lol.

I need a marth to help me find the prob and to get over the curve, any takers?

 

[Sixonesix]

I'm kind of like the opposite of #3. I played Melee for years, but never was any good at it and strongly disliked playing as Marth. Then when I got Brawl, I started doing things like looking up tactics on the internet, practicing them, and playing a variety of people, and eventually Marth became my secondary. Then when I started to play Melee again a while back, all I had to do was tweak my strategy from Brawl a bit and I was good to go.

 

[Vitamin_x]

LoL.
I played melee like... one time.
Didn't really play much smash until brawl came out.

Buuut...
I'm progressing pretty well.
Every week I get a lot better.
Pretty good, considering I haven't gone to any tourneys yet.