The Snake FAQ/Q&A Thread

[gallax]

Who here is going to pound 4 or winterfest???

im going. me and radiX and hrnut are the snakes in central florida that are going. do you need housing? an airport pickup? get at me if you do. i have a secret that may interest you.

 

[So Fatal]

I like secrets too

 

[RATED]

where to SDI and TDI as Snake against Peach's dair "combos"? since peachs tends to move forward or stay in the same place while doing them ,so I been thinking of SDI to her back but her bair may get me. so I been wondering if I could SDI back and down so that I could tech. what do u guys think where I should?

 

[TLMSheikant]

I dont think u can tech it since it doesnt put u in a tumble animation RATED. Just do what I do and SDI to the back and up like this \ Quarter circle helps give u that extra "push" so that she cant follow it up with bair.

PS- Looking for ways to beat zero? ROFL.

 

[RATED]

I dont think u can tech it since it doesnt put u in a tumble animation RATED. Just do what I do and SDI to the back and up like this \ Quarter circle helps give u that extra "push" so that she cant follow it up with bair.

PS- Looking for ways to beat zero? ROFL.

stop stalking me on SWF , first on ddd boards now here? I am joking,

thanks, and yeah ur "PS" is true XD .

 

[smashkng]

Is jab cancel into ftilt or grab a true combo?

 

[Black_Heretic]

jab-grab isn't, I'm not sure about jab-ftilt

 

[RATED]

jab-grab isn't, I'm not sure about jab-ftilt

JAB> ftilt is a combo( against all characters) with the exact timing.

also : is the 1st jab when the oponent is hit on midair to Uptilt a combo ? I am gettiing sure that it is.

 

[IxxI]

I'm pretty sure Jab>FTilt is a true combos on some characters.

 

[Black_Heretic]

jab to grab or f/utilt is guaranteed on midair characters

 

[RATED]

jab to grab or f/utilt is guaranteed on midair characters

I always do, but I wasn't sure if it was guaranteed or not, since I though that with SDI and TDI could someone GTFO of that.

 

[.decoy]

although the second hit of ftilt often doesn't happen i believe

 

[IxxI]

Have to play some decent Warios tommorow. When I get a grab, use DThrow when I'm near the edge, grab release>UTilt for giving damage when I'm in the middle of the stage , and grab release>UAir for KO'ing.

Right? Or does someone else have better ideas?

 

[Ken Neth]

Those are pretty good. But if the wario's good, he's not going to be getting grabbed too much, so it doesn't matter that much.


You could always grab release to sticky You'll get uaired, but it's worth it XD

 

[IxxI]

Those are pretty good. But if the wario's good, he's not going to be getting grabbed too much, so it doesn't matter that much.


You could always grab release to sticky You'll get uaired, but it's worth it XD

Lol you're right. I should change that "When I get a grab..." phrase to "IF I get a grab...". XD

I was thinking of doing the grab release sticky if I have a percent lead like 50+, or if I can tell that the Wario isn't that good. Yes, it's worth all the awesome points in the world.

 

[Gr1mmy]

Hey, with grenade reversal, you end up going in the opposite direction with the momentum spiking? For some reason, I "reverse" in the same direction and get a slight jump in momentum.

?_?

 

[Ken Neth]

Hey, with grenade reversal, you end up going in the opposite direction with the momentum spiking? For some reason, I "reverse" in the same direction and get a slight jump in momentum.

?_?

I'm confused at what you're trying to say... When you reverse it, it switches your momentum in the opposite direction, but with the same horizontal speed as you were going before you reversed it.

And to reverse it, you are always going to be hitting the joy stick in the direction of snake's back. (which isn't necessarilly going to be the opposite of the direction you're currently moving... So like if you jump backwards, you'll still hit towards snake's back, even though it isn't the direction you're trying to reverse to. Kind of confusing at first, until you get the hang of it all.)

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Can someone volunteer and help the new Lucas MU Discussion Thread. We're just starting Snake and some Snake help would be appreciated. Thank You

Here's the link - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=246877

 

[Gr1mmy]

I'm confused at what you're trying to say... When you reverse it, it switches your momentum in the opposite direction, but with the same horizontal speed as you were going before you reversed it.

And to reverse it, you are always going to be hitting the joy stick in the direction of snake's back. (which isn't necessarilly going to be the opposite of the direction you're currently moving... So like if you jump backwards, you'll still hit towards snake's back, even though it isn't the direction you're trying to reverse to. Kind of confusing at first, until you get the hang of it all.)

Sorry, but it's rather hard to explain. It's sort of like I b-reversal along with momentum reversal at the same time?

 

[Ken Neth]

Aren't b reversal and momentum reversal pretty much the same thing?

 

[copacetic]

Not that many pro players get FD'd anymore, but somehow this happened:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7vTuCjm8ag

Might be worth looking into how it happened, though it could just be a glitch. Either way Snake instantly got his cypher back and didn't take damage. And I definitely didn't hit him

 

[Gr1mmy]

-delete this please-

 

[Gr1mmy]

Aren't b reversal and momentum reversal pretty much the same thing?

You can b reversal without a shift in momentum.

 

[Ken Neth]

Oh, that's what you meant by b reverse. I just figured you meant the b sticking type of b reverse.

And copacetic, that snake got footstooled right as he started his cypher. Around :02-03 you see the kirby fly up right as he's doing his dair. The hieght on that jump was way too high to be a normal jump. Snake gets his up-b back if he gets footstooled.

 

[Yumewomiteru]

If Marth DBs Snake's shield, is it possible to FH Nair OOS to punish?

 

[Ken Neth]

You can SDI out of the nair and then snake get punished in the lag.. Marth can also up b inbetween hits of the nair. Ftilt is a better option.

 

[Yumewomiteru]

But F-tilt requires sheild drop and that would def not work during marth's dancing blade.

 

[Vorguen]

I'm having a hell of a time vs Marth's. Can I have some advice? I know the basics...

Never jab-> F-tilt just F-tilt (or you'll eat an Up-B)

Don't try to grab off of F-airs or you'll eat a tipped F-smash

Dash attack works wonders

Grenades grenades grenades

Try to read his dancing blade mixups


You're screwed on the ledge.


Marth just has too many mixups and you have to basically fight completely on reaction, which I hate.

I still seem to get eaten by Marth's though.. halp!

 

[MiniTroika]

When a DDD sidesteps right next to you, are these options viable?

1) AAA (I don't know if DDD can shield the entire thing)
2) D-Air (Usually the last two hits get him)

Sorry for asking, I don't have a wii.

 

[Yumewomiteru]

1) Yes, if you hold A snake will just continuously do the 1st jab until he hits, then he'll do the AAA combo, but I think dedede can powershield the last hit sometimes.

2) Yes, dedede is a huge target so dairs **** against him and dk

Also if you're ballsy, try predicting it and f-smashing him.

 

[BloodySnake]

y'know...
snake's forward smash is real slow... but it does alot of damage, so that tactic is viable...

 

[Black_Heretic]

Thank you for trying to contribute, we need more people willing to help, but I suggest reading the stickies and learning more about Snake's play

Fsmash is really slow and can be punished on reaction. The only way you'll land it is through a super prediction or a super mistake (see Ganon Punch instead of Murder Choke or something). Ftilt is always a better option than fsmash and does only 2% less (iirc, fsmash does 23 uncharged, ftilt does 21) but comes out in 4 frames

 

[Nic64]

Ideally you should use fsmash like...never, I actually use it a pretty decent amount because it's so awful though, it's fun when you can actually catch someone with it. But if you're trying to win/not be a ******* like me, just stop using it, seriously.

edit: I can't believe that's censored, wtf smashboards, wtf

 

[IxxI]

Woah, Syx is being nice for once. ;P

 

[Black_Heretic]

it happens from time to time

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Alright, what moves can Fsmash punish because of lag?

 

[Black_Heretic]

Warlock Punch

 

[xLeafybug =D]

Warlock Punch

LOL. It's sad that this is probably the only move that F-Smash can punish 100% of the time.

What the easiest way to deal with ZSS and Diddy? This probably belongs in match-up discussion, but whatever.

 

[IxxI]

Warlock Punch

Warlock punch. I lol'd.

 

[*JuriHan*]

uh is jab to f-tilt a legit combo with snake (against kirby) because i dont think i ever seen anyone offline do that and this wifi nub did it to me online...