I think the main problem with Falcon is that he's not Melee Falcon. While I know that Falcon in indeed terrible in Brawl, I think that the majority of Melee Falconers left after seeing how severely he got nerfed, leaving him in a pretty hopeless situation. If we could get some really good Falcons, he might get bumped up a spot or two.
I think the main problem with Falcon is the fact that he really has nothing going for him to ever put him above Ganondorf, Link, Jiggs, or Samus... Falcon is just... bad this game. No amount of skill is going to change that (unless you're talking about hacking/homebrew skills, but they don't count in competitive play). He has horribly sub-par killing abilities (Like Toon Link I guess in a way. He has great kill moves, but he'll never land them, except TL has a much much bigger chance of landing his), no more Melee Knee, no more Gentleman, he has no range, no priority, no Melee combos (Uair Uair will only get you so far. It's not a big enough damage racker to make him that special Ganondorf has better combos than that), no Melee jump physics to take advantage of his speed, no dash canceling or dashdancing (meaning his speed is limited to just running away out of danger like half a dash dance counter, without the counter... and to set up aerials less effectively than Melee :<), no projectiles, no approach, no real defense, no more double jumping after an aerial falcon kick, a ridiculously average recovery (he can use Uair to fend off enemies to a degree, and both Raptor Boost and Falcon Dive have had their distance and recovery buffs, but they're still both ridiculously easy to gimp by most characters that matter). All in all, he's a ****ty, severely nerfed Melee character based on Melee and SSB64 physics, in a Brawl game, like if Brawl Jigglypuff didn't have the new Rollout, DACUS, or Fair, and only had one of her ****ty jumps, she'd still be better than Falcon, probably. He just plain SUCKS in this game. Sakurai hates Captain Falcon, though, and we've all known that since Brawl came out, so let's just move on now and argue about Yoshi/Sonic or something. Or let's talk about Lucario. He's fun to talk about.
No not really.have you ever seen a PT in a major tourney? How can someone like Yoshi and PT try to do well in a tourney,If there is noone playing as them? Lucario and Peach are a perfect example.
Learning curves should not be a factor on how XX good he is.All it means is a little more effort.If you think they have little reward,then you just do not know them very well.
I do not think they are High tier,but I do not think they are low tier either.
Haven't Reflex and Typh gotten their fair share of wins? They haven't exactly won any tournaments recently with Pokemon Trainer, but I do know they've gotten quite a few wins, especially against good players. Pokemon Trainer sucks, but people still use him and get some results. Really, though, if stamina didn't exist, Pokemon Trainer (or at least squirtle and charizard) would probably break throughmid tier. <<
Though I'm not sure if Lucario is a good example of a character who fought their way up into high tier because of a few late-entry fighters... Lucario has excellent stats that should've by default made them high tier, I'd imagine. I believe the H2YL list way back when had Luc and Peach in high tier, didn't they, or something like that? Sure, they had Azen in their crew, but meh. Either way, Lucario was brought into the spotlight by Azen when Brawl came out. Sadly, we'll never know how Lucario would've fared if he didn't get those first few months of fame, so we can only speculate based on his stats as a character and overall "greatness" from a distance, as we would've looked when the game came out. However, if you look at a distance at this complicated character, you get either a "this character has to be at super high %s in order to start ******, so it's not worth it, regardless of all his range, combos, and power at high %, because you need to be losing anyways to win" or "this character has great redeeming factors like range, combos, and one of the best projectiles in the game by far, so this character is definitely great, and he even becomes super strong at high %s, so you can just take some damage, get the first KO, and then wreak havoc on their next stock. I'd imagine a great survivalist would be nigh-impossible to stop if they just start a streak and keep it going throughout the second and third stocks, so long as they don't die..."
reflex is seemingly the best PT going right now
Reflex is the best everything right now. Pokemon Trainer, Wario, grab-release escape artist...He needs to slow down and leave some win for the rest of us.
But seriously, I thought there was some Typh or some PokemonMasterIRL that was a better PT, wasn't there? I could be wrong though. Reflex has an Ivysaurio avatar. It takes some severe... reflexes... to pull that off.
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