The Official BBR Tier List v4 -> Sonic's HA Stall is NOT beaten by spot dodge!!!!!!!!

[stingers]

charizard is decent enough in most matchups except snake. don't hate on zard...

 

[Purple]

Reflex's Charizard is bad in comparison to his other characters. All it has is rock-smash and Reflex's extraordinary smarts.

No one really cares about his zard or ivy though, it's that god **** squirtle.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

ivy is actually my favorite to use against ike, so you're wrong again rise... but i'm sure reflex would know alot more about which pokemon to use in which matchup...

As long as it's not Squirtle, you have an even-evenish MU, so you might as well pick which one of the other two you want to use. Won't make a huge difference.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

This might sound weird to you, but I'm convinced that Ivysaur's best trait is her ability to edgeguard.

It's actually really good.

In other news, I just spent an hour playing against my older brother's Diddy Kong. Ivysaur-Diddy isn't so bad. Not easy, by any means, but I could see myself doing it in tournament play.

Charizard's close to worthless in that matchup.

Good thing Squirtle's so good. <3

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Charizard is good in mid-level play or when the opponent doesn't know how to fight one, that's it.

I don't see how you can make general statements like this when Reflex's results prove otherwise. Stop making such board generalization please it makes you look really bad.

 

[stingers]

invinci-nair is incredible, reflex.

 

[Kaffei]

This might sound weird to you, but I'm convinced that Ivysaur's best trait is her ability to edgeguard.

It's actually really good.

In other news, I just spent an hour playing against my older brother's Diddy Kong. Ivysaur-Diddy isn't so bad. Not easy, by any means, but I could see myself doing it in tournament play.

Charizard's close to worthless in that matchup.

Good thing Squirtle's so good. <3

Ivysaur is a girl?

 

[Espy Rose]

Yes Kaffei. Where have you been?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Ivysaur's voice actor is a girl.


Ivysaur's gender is unknown, but english uses the male pronoun in such cases. "Xe" would also be acceptable.

 

[Kaffei]

Yes Kaffei. Where have you been?

Trying to learn a lot about MK lol

 

[Espy Rose]

I think NEO made a documentary of all of the information you need about Meta Knight.

 

[Kaffei]

I think NEO made a documentary of all of the information you need about Meta Knight.

Have it on my iPod :nerd:

 

[humble]

Ivy is better then ganon because she at least has some matchups to her advantage.

Ivy is better then ganon because she has moves that are faster then reaction.

Ivy is better then ganon because she has viable means of hitting her opponents.

Ivy is better then ganon because she can space her moves.

Ivy is better then ganon because her gimp game is better.

Ivy is better then ganon because she has a projectile and a grab.

Ivy is better then ganon because ganon is trash.


Fyi, ivy would be F tier, below jiggs, but above zelda. Bottom of F tier. Zard would be upper F, or lower E tier. Squirtle would be middle of C tier.

 

[Shaya]

Ivysaur has really low damage output outside of an SDIable bullet seed...
And Ivy doesn't kill people like Ganon... can.

 

[Col. Stauffenberg]

But... but... usmash!

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Ivysaur has really low damage output outside of an SDIable bullet seed...
And Ivy doesn't kill people like Ganon... can.

Ganon has a really, REALLY low damage output since he can't land any of his moves.

 

[Shaya]

****it you're right, Reflex.

Except for, DAT UAIR.
But really, all ivy can hit with is her bair, which does like 3%

 

[Xyless]

Guys, we already have the ultimate guide for PT.

I'm no expert but I can safely say that if I had a chance to go to a tournament, I would place top 3 with Pokemon Trainer. For optimal use, I would suggest printing this guide out and reading it before every tourney you plan on using PT with.

The first thing you need to know is Pokemon Trainer is 3 characters that each can be used independently. This is probably a shock to the average Snake user who is focused on excelling with only one character. But anyways the 3 pokemon are Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard.

Squirtle - this little turtle is an annoying bugger. His fast speed allows him to perform combos. Your 2 main moves that you should be using are B-air and F-Air. Killing with U-Smash is your best bet.
Ivysaur - this character is pretty useless. I suggest just switching him out when he comes into play. If you are a stubborn seahorse and insist on sticking with Ivysaur, I would suggsest spamming B to rack up damage.
Charizard - This guy is a power house. If you don't get at least 1 stock out with Charizard, you shouldn't be playing PT. Some tips for him are to gimp with the D-air and use the boulder many many times.

This guide can hopefully propel you to elite status with Pokemon trainer. It helped my two friends out a great deal. I don't write much guides, so enjoy this rare opportunity. Don't thank me now. Thank me when you start placing much higher in tournaments.

 

[Tmacc]

Look at Reflex's sig and tell me dat Ivysaur ain't top tier.

But seriously, IMO Ivy can kill reasonably well. Fsmash, fair gimp, upsmash (lol). He's a decent character. Definately above Ganondorf.

 

[Kitamerby]

Ganon has a really, REALLY low damage output since he can't land any of his moves.

And Ivysaur's is even lower because xe gets gimped before it can even attempt any of its moves. :V

 

[Mota]

Hahahaha Xyless that's too good.

 

[Browny]

Yeah that joke post wasnt entirely obvious...

 

[Espy Rose]

And Ivysaur's is even lower because xe gets gimped before it can even attempt any of its moves. :V

Kita, you ruined what could've been a glorious joke by forcing yourself to say it.

 

[Kitamerby]

Kita, you ruined what could've been a glorious joke by forcing yourself to say it.

Oh really? Well, how would you have phrased it, then?

 

[Espy Rose]

I wouldn't have said anything, because I know someone could've said it better.
And if they didn't, then it wasn't meant to be.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

And Ivysaur's is even lower because xe gets gimped before it can even attempt any of its moves. :V

Heh...I can appreciate the joke.

Still, you just have to be smart, and you can have an excellent gimping game as Ivysaur. You can turn the tables on the opponent without too much difficulty. I think Ivysaur should be played near the edges of a stage against many characters, as her gimping/edgeguarding potential helps to lessen the pain of her low damage output.

At least she has a decent amount of moves with great knockback.

 

[Kitamerby]

At least she has a decent amount of moves with great knockback.

I pray you're still not comparing it to Ganondorf. :x



Speaking of Ganondorf, a funny thing about his moveset. If you look at any one of his moves aside from pretty much utilt, jab, or dsmash (which was almost amazing), you'll notice that nearly every move is one of the best of its command slot. His Uair, Ftilt, Dtilt, Usmash, Fsmash, dair, fair, bair, DownB, SideB, Fthrow, and dash attack, are all superb moves on their own, but the only real problem with them is that they all do pretty much the same exact thing, which is killing on a punish. :V

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I pray you're still not comparing it to Ganondorf. :x

Of course not, hahah. I was just trying to defend her in general.

 

[Purple]

I pray you're still not comparing it to Ganondorf. :x



Speaking of Ganondorf, a funny thing about his moveset. If you look at any one of his moves aside from pretty much utilt, jab, or dsmash (which was almost amazing), you'll notice that nearly every move is one of the best of its command slot. His Uair, Ftilt, Dtilt, Usmash, Fsmash, dair, fair, bair, DownB, SideB, Fthrow, and dash attack, are all superb moves on their own, but the only real problem with them is that they all do pretty much the same exact thing, which is killing on a punish. :V

lol ganon sucks.

Honestly, even with all of that, that's ALL i got from that. You can say they're superb, but you would be lying. They are superb when it comes to Power, nothing else (for most of them).

 

[Blacknight99923]

ganon won't do jack against my disjoints

 

[YagamiLight]

Ganondorf has a boatload of both damage output (per hit) plus a ton of killing power. Unlike other 'strong' characters though, he doesn't really have anything else. Just power isn't going to get you anything, sadly.

That said, some of his moves are actually very solid (see: Dash Attack, Side B, Dtilt, Uair, Fthrow (not the grab, the throw)) the only problem is that they are all stuck on Ganondorf. If you gave Ganondorf's Dash Attack to say, Peach, she would shoot up a tier or so. Well, maybe. Possibly.

 

[Purple]

Well, it would've made matches easier to kill.

Honestly I like how peach's dash attack hit's twice, I don't think it's so bad

 

[Juushichi]

Give Ganon's fair power to Mario and it'll be like we have a better Dr. Mario in Brawl.

 

[Purple]

Well Juushichi, there would have to be a mario with a bad f-air too LOL

 

[A2ZOMG]

Ganondorf has a boatload of both damage output (per hit) plus a ton of killing power. Unlike other 'strong' characters though, he doesn't really have anything else. Just power isn't going to get you anything, sadly.

That said, some of his moves are actually very solid (see: Dash Attack, Side B, Dtilt, Uair, Fthrow (not the grab, the throw)) the only problem is that they are all stuck on Ganondorf. If you gave Ganondorf's Dash Attack to say, Peach, she would shoot up a tier or so. Well, maybe. Possibly.

Ganon's SideB is awful. It has like no priority and it can easily be spotdodged on reaction.

Just sayin...

Like if Ganon had a GOOD poke or a useable shieldgrab, he would instantly be like high tier lol.

 

[Juushichi]

Well Jushichi, there would have to be a mario with a bad f-air too LOL

Hey, it wasn't bad. Just situational. Also, "Juu" is fine. It's what everyone else calls me.

 

[Purple]

Well, everything is considered situational in brawl xD

 

[Z'zgashi]

Except MK

 

[Purple]

He's just nasty. like all top tier characters in their respective games.

 

[Blacknight99923]

Mks tornado is situational.....you can only use it everytime