Event - MLG Anaheim 2014 The M2K Challenge: Will the Legendary Smasher be Unseated in D.C.?

[Merkuri]

hahahahahaa...

no

First Brood then Rich Brown beating the best Metaknight in the world? I'm kinda thinking Olimnar does.

 

[Enzo]

I think it is 55-45 oli favor @ highest level of play. I mean unlike many other top players, m2k practices...HARD
and yet this is the second time is loses to a top olimar. Connect the dots guys.

Either that or
m2k doesnt know the mu

 

[theunabletable]

@merkuri: I wouldn't go so far as to say that M2K is the best MK in the world. I think Akira could easily give him a run for his money.

And M2K does have trouble with some matchups (notably Diddy, for instance). Although the matchup certainly doesn't look that bad. It might be evenish, and, hell, it could potentially, one day, be in Olimar's favor, but I'm not going to believe that it is for a while. I mean it's a pretty big statement to make that someone BEATS MK.

It's certainly winnable enough to call it even, though, imo anyways.

 

[DanGR]

Either that or
m2k doesnt know the mu

This is infinitely more likely.

 

[Merkuri]

This is infinitely more likely.

And how do you come by that reasoning? Lol, I'm pretty sure you're be the type to say he doesn't know the match up regardless of who he lost to.

 

[LanceStern]

I don't think m2k knows the matchup fully.

 

[DanGR]

And how do you come by that reasoning? Lol, I'm pretty sure you're be the type to say he doesn't know the match up regardless of who he lost to.

Start here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7EbULlx9ds
End here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0cZ-Y3yRA8

If you actually knew the matchup, you'd know he doesn't have a clue what to do.

That said, I'm only guessing he hasn't learned the matchup since he faced Brood, considering I didn't go to MLG DC.

 

[Ussi]

Olimar has trickies to not die which CPU Olimars don't do.

 

[Mota]

Unseated by 2 players, Noice!

Two olimars beat one MK main (being M2K) does not mean it's in Olis favour...
If olimars were beating a range of MK mains then you may have a point, but it's just M2K at the moment, who has his problems in a few specific MUs, namely Diddy and supposedly Oli now.

Go watch other Mks and see if they have the same problems against Diddy and Olimars. Anti(?) is the "Diddy Slayer" they say lol

 

[ph00tbag]

Start here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7EbULlx9ds
End here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0cZ-Y3yRA8

If you actually knew the matchup, you'd know he doesn't have a clue what to do.

That said, I'm only guessing he hasn't learned the matchup since he faced Brood, considering I didn't go to MLG DC.

This. The suggestion that Oli beats MK based on the way M2K plays (played?) the match-up is laughable.

 

[professor mgw]

Olimar ftw!

Lol olimar will never be even with mk in this MU

 

[Life]

Olimar does not counter MK.

Olimar counters M2K.

*smirk*

I, for one, welcome our new astronaut overlords.

 

[professor mgw]

Hurray 4 ADHD placing 1st :D lol.

 

[OverLade]

For some reason being good enough with any character counters M2K but doesn't counter other top MKs....

 

[rathy Aro]

For some reason being good enough with any character that M2K doesn't know counters M2K but doesn't counter other top MKs....

Fix'd.

I think M2K relies on matchup knowledge a lot for his wins. M2K is a really smart player, but I don't think he's the best at adapting to situations he's not used to.

 

[Arikags]

Totally expected ADHD to win, and Richbrown did beat M2K. It was obvious M2K wouldn't place 1st this time.

 

[Damix91]

My thoughts

I think whether a character counters another character should be based on the highest levels of play where a characters known potential is being realised. Saying other Mks dont have problems with olimars which arent as good seems irrelevant to me because the matches dont show off the full known ability of each character. So imo if the top metaknight loses to two top olimars then it is worth considering that olimar may have a slight advantage in the MU.

Honestly I dont think some people will ever be able to believe MK has a disadvantaged MU.

 

[Merkuri]

My thoughts

I think whether a character counters another character should be based on the highest levels of play where a characters known potential is being realised. Saying other Mks dont have problems with olimars which arent as good seems irrelevant to me because the matches dont show off the full known ability of each character. So imo if the top metaknight loses to two top olimars then it is worth considering that olimar may have a slight advantage in the MU.

Honestly I dont think some people will ever be able to believe MK has a disadvantaged MU.

QFT. It's like those idiots in melee who thinks that Fox beats everyone.

 

[strawhats]

Fix'd.

I think M2K relies on matchup knowledge a lot for his wins. M2K is a really smart player, but I don't think he's the best at adapting to situations he's not used to.

exactly which is why mango beats him most of the time. M2K is a text book player and executes everything perfectly (i believe this to be true in melee and i guess in brawl, forgive my ignorance i don't really know much about brawl scene). He doesn't adapt on the fly. If he doesn't know a MU chances are if his opponent is of an equal/similiar skill level then he's gonna have a difficult time winning.

 

[hippiedude92]

i like how m2k now sucks in the olimar MU and diddy mu

while anti is probably the best at the diddy and olimar mu

lool

better start watching youtube more m2k

 

[VSC.D-Torr]

ADHD clearly has this.

Pierce wins

 

[Deleted member]

According to MLG, m2k was in the pro lounge practicing on olimar cpus a lot.
Obviously he didnt know it that well, but to say that olimar gets ***** by MK after brood and rich have made these amazing placings just doesnt seem right (its not just M2k that they beat, rich beat havok and other really good MKs too).

 

[OverLade]

M2K spent hours at my friends place watching Anti vs ADHD. He's literally watched their sets for a total of over 20 hours. No johns.

The Olimar thing I can't really say for. Obviously MK doesn't **** olimar at this point...

 

[SuSa]

Olimar doesn't **** Meta, Richbrown is just 2 good.

Didn't Rich also beat other top Meta's?

:leek:

 

[Kewkky]

You guys, M2K was sandbagging! ololol

I wish I lived in USA during these moments. I'm sure the hype was crazy over there during M2K vs Rich, in PR this never happens.

10envy

 

[Youngling]

QFT. It's like those idiots in melee who thinks that Fox beats everyone.

If you're going to diss melee, at least get your facts right idiot.

 

[Kaffei]

If you're going to diss melee, at least get your facts right idiot.

You're not in any position to be calling him an idiot when you don't read properly! He said the Melee players who think Fox beats everyone are idiots, he did not insult the game itself.

 

[TheLastCacely]

If you're going to diss melee, at least get your facts right idiot.

lol but nothing he said was false.

 

[Youngling]

Yes, what he said was false. And also, I obviously meant the melee community.

What he said was completely false, fox, jiggs, and falco are all tied for first in the tier list. Get your facts right.

 

[KevinM]

There's also a deep seeded thought in most players of the melee community that Jiggs is omgwtf broken currently.

Don't trust the majority of either community or go into a brawl thread to randomly stir something up for no real reason.

Melee players givin the rest of us law abidin melee players a bad name.

 

[Youngling]

There's also a deep seeded thought in most players of the melee community that Jiggs is omgwtf broken currently.

Don't trust the majority of either community or go into a brawl thread to randomly stir something up for no real reason.

Melee players givin the rest of us law abidin melee players a bad name.

I went off on the kid because he thinks that the melee community thinks that fox destroys everyone. I didn't start ****.

And lmao about the majority of the melee community thinking that Jiggs dominates all. That is like 3% of melee players.

 

[Merkuri]

If you're going to diss melee, at least get your facts right idiot.

I'm not insulting the game, I'm insulting a group in the community. Learn to read idiot.

 

[Tommy_G]

I went off on the kid because he thinks that the melee community thinks that fox destroys everyone. I didn't start ****.

And lmao about the majority of the melee community thinking that Jiggs dominates all. That is like 3% of melee players.

And 100% of Brawl players....you know...the ones playing the more dominant game right now.

If Melee's **** didn't get cut off when Brawl came out, you'd be riding it so hard.

 

[B_AWAL]

Yawn.. "melee sucks" now watch as ppl that play melee get offended. O wait... or they cud just ignore my comment bcuz what I say doesn't matter. O and @theunabletable - cool name... but ur ******** if u don't think m2k is da best mk in da world. Jason jus freaks out @ da wrong times. The pressure jus gets 2 him... but more importantly good ish 2 ADHD<ITS FUNNY HOW DIS GUY ENDED UP FINALLY FACING M2K I THINK HE LOST 2 RICH BROWN ON PURPOSE & rich = wow

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

I went off on the kid because he thinks that the melee community thinks that fox destroys everyone. I didn't start ****.

And lmao about the majority of the melee community thinking that Jiggs dominates all. That is like 3% of melee players.

That 3% would probably be correct, seeing as how statistically speaking, Jiggs does dominate and has for a couple of years now.

I'm curious what people are really thinking when they say things like this. What, to you, is "dominance" if not consistent top-level results for two years? Is it hypothetical nonsense like "LOL Fox beats Jiggs because he can uthrow->Uair at 20%" or what? This happens in Brawl discussions, as well, when people completely ignore the reality of what is happening in the tournament scene in favor of vague notions of who is good, "dominant," "bad," or whatever. See my sig for details.

 

[B_AWAL]

More importantly... ESAM DA BESSSSSSS

 

[Pierce7d]

jiggs doesn't dominate melee, she only has two players consistantly winning with her right now. A MUCH greater number of foxes and falcos place. I do think jiggs is pretty broken though

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

well there's always been one character dominating the melee metagame and there probably will be forever. (when I say dominate, I mean that there's one or two players who are unbeatable with that character at the present level of play)

Early on it was Sheik, then it was Fox, then Marth, and now Jiggs.

There have always been those people who freak out and cry broken, but history tells us that as soon as people figure out exactly what to do, the metagame becomes even again until another player advances his character beyond the level of the current metagame.

is Sheik broken? Is Fox broken? what about Marth? If you answered no to any of the previous three, then your basis that Jiggs is broken is at fault.

for the record and while I'm here: melee > brawl.

sorry had to say it.

 

[Clel]

Disregarding the pointless Brawl vs Melee argument...

Considering the matchups - I'll say Olimar has beaten two MKs. Brood at Apex beat both Mew2King and Lee Martin (who used MK for Game 3 atleast from my memory). I don't believe Olimar just counters M2K, he indeed counters MK. Likewise Diddy does real good against MK aswell. If you treat Anti as an outlier of course...

exactly which is why mango beats him most of the time. M2K is a text book player and executes everything perfectly (i believe this to be true in melee and i guess in brawl, forgive my ignorance i don't really know much about brawl scene). He doesn't adapt on the fly. If he doesn't know a MU chances are if his opponent is of an equal/similiar skill level then he's gonna have a difficult time winning.

If M2K doesn't know a matchup he has a difficult time winning. If this is true, then what of MK dittos? M2K is supposed to be so good at them that most MKs don't even bother trying to beat him in them but M2K came pretty close to dropping the set against Havok, was Havok vs M2K MK dittos?

 

[theunabletable]

@theunabletable - cool name... but ur ******** if u don't think m2k is da best mk in da world. Jason jus freaks out @ da wrong times. The pressure jus gets 2 him... but more importantly good ish 2 ADHD<ITS FUNNY HOW DIS GUY ENDED UP FINALLY FACING M2K I THINK HE LOST 2 RICH BROWN ON PURPOSE & rich = wow

You're equally ******** for blindly assuming that M2K is better than Japan's best MK when Japan just sent players who AREN'T EVEN THEIR BEST and beat M2K.

M2K may be the best MK in the world, but it REALLY isn't certain. Yeah, it's pretty obvious that he's the best in north American, but Japan's best MK (Akira, afaik) might be better.

It's really ignorant to just assume that M2K is the best MK in the world.

@Clel: No, I'm pretty sure that Havok used his Snake.