and how do you explain it that you were using significantly more backairs right after shroomed told you to do so? this cannot be a coincidence.I naturally block out crowds, I didn't even know I got coached until I saw that video and heard Waffles' commentary..
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The "Coaching" Debate.
- Thread starter hungrybox
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Velox
Smash Ace
Amsah IS the b-airing Sheik...
Quic
Smash Journeyman
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Even if this is true, what does it prove? That Amsah himself is guilty to breaking a rule that doesn't exist yet? What you're arguing is like Puff getting banned for some reason, and looking down upon Hbox for using her pre-ban, it's ********.
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
I always wonder if people like you don't grow tired of themselves.
I naturally block out crowds, I didn't even know I got coached until I saw that video and heard Waffles' commentary..
But yeah, I'll do that next time..
i was hoping the sarcasm went through my post, i can't tell if amsah was taking my post serious or not either lol. was just poking fun at how poundslap is trying to make him look like a hypocrite since people were yelling advice at him
no tones through posts ftl
also with each post i'm more convinced poundslap is slightly disabled in one way or another. no offense!
Pengie
Smash Lord
Slightly is an understatement.
hungrybox
Smash Legend
lol its MikeHaggar
Pengie
Smash Lord
Is it really? I wouldn't be surprised if it was, but there have already been like three different alts of his.
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
that's been my assumption since the beginning, but if youre saying it's cause hagger was banned then i wouldn't say that would be why, since i've seen hagger quote posts from poundslap, obviously licking his(own?) ballsack while licking armadas
nvm i guess hagger made an alt account just to say 'poundslaps ****** this thread' to get banned again. i wouldn't doubt it's him at all
nvm i guess hagger made an alt account just to say 'poundslaps ****** this thread' to get banned again. i wouldn't doubt it's him at all
Mizar
Smash Ace
Mr. Mime used Disable on PoundSlap..
PoundSlap is Disabled!
Velox
Smash Ace
Maybe he'll lose the use of his red herring attack.
although it's not very effective..
although it's not very effective..
^Prove it.
While you're at it, prove to me you're not ********.
Nah, I got it..
Lol amsah i dont have to argue with you. I just think its lame that you insist on coaching getting banned so hard when you obviously are getting coached yourself. If people really would think you are against coaching they wouldnt do it. So why did they tell you these things to do? Youre not making any sense.
And people who feel superior to disabled are really pathetic. Its a mental illness after all and i seriously think people who exclude disabled people are disabled themselves.
And people who feel superior to disabled are really pathetic. Its a mental illness after all and i seriously think people who exclude disabled people are disabled themselves.
metalreflectslime
Chemistry PhD Programs?
Amsah didn't ask to get coached, so your point is moot.
Mizar
Smash Ace
I'd love a discussion about this.
Anyway, like metalreflectslime said: "He didn't ask for coaching".
If he asked to be coached, your point would somewhat be valid.
But he didn't, so it's not.
I can't believe that logic failed to help you understand all of Amsah's posts.
It should be clear to you by now, or you're just trolling your *** off.
Either, that or you are indeed teh retardedzz
Beat!
Smash Master
Mizar
Smash Ace
Dude now you jus talkin craaaaazy.
Mizar
Smash Ace
Sounds to me like you're making up stuff to fit your story.
I'm not excluding the possibility of your statement, I just think it's unlikely.
thats way dumber than his question
your hypothetical points can be completely invalid if theyre untrue in practice, that has nothing to do with coaching and is very basic logic
based on MY personal experience, i think a lot of you guys are really overestimating the value of coaching within the context of a single match
are we talking about "in-game" coaching, or coaching at all? coaching in between/before matches was always allowed as far as i know, while "in-game" coaching had a specific ban in most tourney announcements back in the day. if youre trying to ban coaching not during games, thats just stupid, might as well ban reading the boards. theres no way to draw the line between coaching and simple advice.
if you think in-game coaching is gamebreaking, i dont really know for sure, but i can tell you that from what ive seen, its not enough to really change the outcome midmatch, unless maybe you have a good player coaching a bad player against another bad player
Fernandez
Smash Journeyman
Waarom voer je die troll chris ^_^
Coaching so OP
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
I'm surprised there are people that still don't understand how coaching
mid-match can change the outcome of a match.
mid-match can change the outcome of a match.
So everyone's Omniscient now huh..?
It'd be dumb if it wasn't for the fact that hypothetical points don't need to be based on experience to be true in practice.
We're not arguing about the value. We're saying that if it has any value at all it shouldn't be allowed. Read and understand the arguments before posting will ya?
You can't read the boards in between matches. Otherwise I'd ban it too.
Coaching = Advice given to you during a tournament set
Simple advice = Advice given to you outside of a tournament set
I just did the impossible.
You pretty much destroyed your own argument.
It doesn't change the outcome of a match, unless..
hypothetical points don't need to be, of course not, but the definition of a hypothetical point is that it is untested in practice, and therefore is not necessarily true until tested.
so when are you allowed to not give advice anymore? when they sit down? when they find out who they have to play? after the first match starts? in case you didnt notice, that statement about not being able to draw the line was part of my point about not-in-game coaching. does in between matches count as in-game, in your mind?
so when are you allowed to not give advice anymore? when they sit down? when they find out who they have to play? after the first match starts? in case you didnt notice, that statement about not being able to draw the line was part of my point about not-in-game coaching. does in between matches count as in-game, in your mind?
The concept of help improving performance isn't really something that needs to be tested anymore.
When the set starts. Which is when the first player picks his character (or when they start stage striking). Though most people aren't for banning coaching entirely but just during matches, so in that case it would be when the match starts.
I guess I misunderstood you there, but if you read through the thread you would've seen that my definition of coaching already answers your question.
Coaching is considered to be any advice or instruction audible or visible to a player.
No. But I'm against that too.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Cactuar coached me vs Vanz.
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
How much difference do you think it made?
I'm not trying to call you out with that quote, I'm just curious as to what you have to say about coaching.
Composeur
Smash Ace
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KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
*shrug*
Not sure. At any rate, it's sort of a joke, sort of not a joke. I didn't get the kind of coaching these guys are talking about. I IMed him before the tournament and asked him how to beat Peach/Puff/other characters and about general spacing stuff. I talked with him for a while, he gave me some really good advice and strategies I should experiment with and I spent a lot of RoM3's first day doing just that.
I didn't speak to him during the tournament until after I beat Dr. Peepee on the second day, and that was mainly to troll the "textstream". And it wasn't during matches or anything. Typing while playing a match would be pretty pro though.
It did help a lot though. I'm always so nervous vs Peach. And Vanz's Peach is ridiculously good :3
I would really hope people understand the difference between preparing for the tournament and being coached mid match. Its the classic example of studying vs using a cheat sheet...
That wasn't coaching then.
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Yeah, there's absolutely nothing wrong with asking for advice before a match. Whoever says otherwise would probably want to ban smart phones during tournament so people couldn't use youtube to see how how to fight a character they're not used to fighting lol.
Edit: Wrong thread.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
SO the **** what. You act like he told them to throw tips at him.
Ur such a troll or a huge dumb guy.
not to mention, its easy to do **** like change your mind. As of right now, Amsah and all the other non yous are against coaching.
sorry but to me this sounded like amsah requested coaching after he realised that hes down 0-2 aigainst hungrybox. i think it was also the same with armada. amsah has never had a chance against armada so he would have done everything to beat him. in their set wife and husband talked about the grab combos and what sheik has to do. and as far as i know the recording set up was very close to the tv itself so amsah could hear it. what is even more amsah plays the pal version so he couldnt possibly be used to the grab combos in ntsc which indicates he got also coached by wife and husband.
i dont wanna be compared with dumb people or trolls. i actually see things other people dont see and i dont think thats dumb. i think youre dumb that you arent open for new opinions.
and the next one who compares me to vbm is gonna get slapped. the heaviest different between us is that MY POSTS ARE ACTUALLY MEANT TO BE SERIOUS.
guys, cant we have nice things?
i dont wanna be compared with dumb people or trolls. i actually see things other people dont see and i dont think thats dumb. i think youre dumb that you arent open for new opinions.
and the next one who compares me to vbm is gonna get slapped. the heaviest different between us is that MY POSTS ARE ACTUALLY MEANT TO BE SERIOUS.
guys, cant we have nice things?
Druggedfox
Smash Champion
Because amsah never practiced the NTSC version before coming over here.
Definitely not, no way.
Impossible.
Definitely not, no way.
Impossible.
If there was such a thing as a ****** Fallacy, this would probably be it.
Mizar
Smash Ace
Yes, thats exactly what it indicates. Don't kick logic back the the stone age. Pretty please?
Btw I think you're doing surprisingly well at becoming the biggest troll on smashboards.