The "best" players

[Theftz22]

If there's still a Japanese melee scene it's at least on par with europe.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

I'd say anyone who doesn't consider Armada the best Peach should get checked out asap.

haggar is referring to before armada came to america, i'm sure you didn't think he was the best then either.

regardless, haggar IS the stupid *** that claimed Armada's the best IN the world, then watched mango not even need to come to grand finals to have our 2nd best, 6-0 him. get *****. (apex)

underdog, you're kidding, right? Japan equal with Europe, how..?

 

[Merkuri]

where are you getting this BS from?

hax just got 9th at Apex, which was the last National.

SS wasnt even in attendence.

By ''big impact'' I meant top 8 or better. The last national Hax got got top 8 in was Genesis, he's been to pretty much every national since then and 9th seems to be the best he can do. I think SS could do better.

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

regardless, haggar IS the stupid *** that claimed Armada's the best IN the world, then watched mango not even need to come to grand finals to have our 2nd best, 6-0 him. get *****. (apex)

except that i never said that lol. all i said was that armada wouldve beat mango @ apex.

and also anyone who thought that armada wasnt the best peach even before genesis IS a ******.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

except that i never said that lol. all i said was that armada wouldve beat mango @ apex.

and also anyone who thought that armada wasnt the best peach even before genesis IS a ******.

i mean it was kinda implied when you're saying he CAN beat the best player in the world.

i didn't have an opinion on armadas peach prior, i just watched people **** talk you, BUT back then it was just logical for everyone to assume people from outside america aren't as good. it sounds ignorant, but in our shoes, we have all the best players and never saw any focus on amazing players outside of our country. I mean i watch europe all the time now, but prior i figured their scene was nothing special.

By ''big impact'' I meant top 8 or better. The last national Hax got got top 8 in was Genesis, he's been to pretty much every national since then and 9th seems to be the best he can do. I think SS could do better.

lol..even if you mean top 8, getting 9th should easily count in your book. Also didn't SS get like..25th or worse when Hax got top 8 @ genesis?

and also, hax going to nationals and placing is better than SS not going to any of these nationals at all. besides pounds international.

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

i mean it was kinda implied when you're saying he CAN beat the best player in the world.

no you did not mean that, you flat out said that i said something that i never did to make me look bad. and when you realized you where wrong you backed out. get some balls.

i didn't have an opinion on armadas peach prior, i just watched people **** talk you, BUT back then it was just logical for everyone to assume people from outside america aren't as good. it sounds ignorant, but in our shoes, we have all the best players and never saw any focus on amazing players outside of our country. I mean i watch europe all the time now, but prior i figured their scene was nothing special.

No, absolutely not. thats ******** and not logical to assume. and know why it sounds so ignorant? because it ****ing is ignorant.

 

[JPOBS]

By ''big impact'' I meant top 8 or better. The last national Hax got got top 8 in was Genesis, he's been to pretty much every national since then and 9th seems to be the best he can do. I think SS could do better.

Hax placed 8th at genesis, one spot out of 8th at apex (oh boo hoo), and at pound 4 one placing behind SS. I'd like to point out that SS didnt place top 8 at pound 4 so he also isnt making a "big impact" anymore by your logic

so really, the only point you've made is that, SS happened to outplace by one spot at Pound4. However you neglect to include the fact that SS got 25th at genesis compared to Hax's 8th.

Are you beginning to understand why all evidence points to Hax being better than SS than the other way around? There is very little evidence to argue in jeff's favor other than " I think so" because hax actually attends nationals....

 

[Merkuri]

lol..even if you mean top 8, getting 9th should easily count in your book. Also didn't SS get like..25th or worse when Hax got top 8 @ genesis?

Since that particular tournament SS has been a lot more consistent. Moreover Genesis extremely lanky bracket makes it very easy for someone to get an extremely difficult bracket or extremely easy bracket, therefore distorting results. The last tournament they both attended together SS outplaced him.

9th is an impact, but it's not a big one. Getting 7/8 itself is hardly a big impact, but it's enough to count as one.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

no you did not mean that, you flat out said that i said something that i never did to make me look bad. and when you realized you where wrong you backed out. get some balls.



No, absolutely not. thats ******** and not logical to assume. and know why it sounds so ignorant? because it ****ing is ignorant.

uhhh, i backed out? you try way too hard to make **** serious, relax. i said what i said first out of faded memory. I remember arguing with you about the fact that you thought Armada could beat mango, which essentially is saying he's the best. I knew the details, i just didn't know the exact thing you said.

how was it not logical? not a single person in the world had come and challenged our best player, then armada did. Everyone assumed no1 could get as good as our best without playing some of the best here (or atleast i assume). Armada changed that thought train, how does that not make sense to you?

edit-dont feel like being mean

 

[JPOBS]

Since that particular tournament SS has been a lot more consistent. Moreover Genesis extremely lanky bracket makes it very easy for someone to get an extremely difficult bracket or extremely easy bracket, therefore distorting results. The last tournament they both attended together SS outplaced him.

9th is an impact, but it's not a big one. Getting 7/8 itself is hardly a big impact, but it's enough to count as one.

So here is your reasoning for SS > Hax

-Genesis conveniently doesnt count cuz hax ***** SS
-SS > Hax by ONE spot at Pound4, but BOTH are outside of your magical "impact" zone, so it shouldnt count but its convient for you so you ignore your own logic here *rolls eyes*
-Hax 9th at apex doesnt count.

You're ********.

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

uhhh, i backed out? you try way too hard to make **** serious, relax. i said what i said first out of faded memory. I remember arguing with you about the fact that you thought Armada could beat mango, which essentially is saying he's the best. I knew the details, i just didn't know the exact thing you said.

you said i was a stupid *** for saying something that i didnt say dude :\

how was it not logical? not a single person in the world had come and challenged our best player, then armada did. Everyone assumed no1 could get as good as our best without playing some of the best here (or atleast i assume). Armada changed that thought train, how does that not make sense to you?

edit-dont feel like being mean

it's as logical as if i wouldve claimed that the us scene was crap because nobody had come and challenged our best player (armada)
in other words: ignorance

and dont worry about being mean, you should worry about being ********

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

Are you beginning to understand why all evidence points to Hax being better than SS than the other way around? There is very little evidence to argue in jeff's favor other than " I think so" because hax actually attends nationals....

Silentspectre beat Armada...
Hax didnt...
that is all...

 

[Archangel]

haggar is referring to before armada came to america, i'm sure you didn't think he was the best then either.

regardless, haggar IS the stupid *** that claimed Armada's the best IN the world, then watched mango not even need to come to grand finals to have our 2nd best, 6-0 him. get *****. (apex)

underdog, you're kidding, right? Japan equal with Europe, how..?

The second part may be true but many unbias players thought Armada was the best peach in the world by then. I have ever since I saw the prodigy vid. I will admit that I didn't think he would get 2nd. I figured he might tie for 4th or 5th at best.

 

[X1-12]

Silentspectre beat Armada...
Hax didnt...
that is all...

Amada has no EU falcon johns (save fuzzyness who he barely played)

Armada is the best at adapting

Zhu said he saw armada playing falcons all day after losing to SS




now put the 3 together

 

[Luma]

trahhSTEEZY all you post is **** really

even if mike said armada could beat mango (which is true) does not mean that armada is the best in the world. check the little word "could" again, thx

also, if YOU or your friends or whatever havent watched any europeans vids before armada ***** at genesis, you are just stupid as hell. where should i start, ek vs cj forgot the tournament (cj: "i think you are as good as ken", legendary) amsah vs ek ros3 (with the best comeback of all time), helios vs amsah rox4, amsah vs armada rox4, amsah vs cj jst5, armada vs masashi esa2, amsah vs cj esa2, etc etc etc

 

[Rubyiris]

weren't you one of the stupid ******s insisting armada isnt the best peach?
(before genesis)

i withheld all opinions until after genesis because I'm not stupid.

 

[Rubyiris]

Amada has no EU falcon johns (save fuzzyness who he barely played)

Armada is the best at adapting

Zhu said he saw armada playing falcons all day after losing to SS




now put the 3 together

i'd rather avoid speculation like this until a rematch actually happens.

 

[TheDekuNut]

i say you all just make a tier list because its too difficult to draw a straight line hence my previous foreshadowing of all the arguments.

1. you must perceive time differently from the rest of us or you spam back air tier
2. **** you good tier
3. you too Fancy tier
4. Get ****ed up tier
5. practice in your room at 1:30am more tier
6. read a book tier
7. give up and try Brawl tier

etc.

 

[Theftz22]

you're kidding, right? Japan equal with Europe, how..?

I've been asking for a while if there's still a *** melee scene. When top *** pros played top US pros in 06 and 07 they were almost equal, a little worse like Europe is now. If they still play, there's no reason why they wouldn't have been able to keep up...

 

[Rain(ame)]

Ignorance is something that exists in all countries. People say a lot of things that get laughed at, and when it happens, people change their opinion. Since Armada hadn't proved himself to be the best Peach in the world...we couldn't just all agree. I mean....just assuming before actually getting to the point is something people in the Smash community have done before. (See: Zelgadis. No offense, bro.)

It's cool to be proud and all...but sometimes we need to step back and face facts: There's no guarantee that Armada would have beaten Mango. Granted...they were friendlies, but Mango was beating Armada at Pound 4. Armada is still one of the best players out there. Everybody knows it. Not everybody needs to be reminded of how ignorant they are.

I want to say more, but I'd rather not go into a heated debate, and I have to bounce. So I'll leave it at that.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

trahhSTEEZY all you post is **** really

even if mike said armada could beat mango (which is true) does not mean that armada is the best in the world. check the little word "could" again, thx

also, if YOU or your friends or whatever havent watched any europeans vids before armada ***** at genesis, you are just stupid as hell. where should i start, ek vs cj forgot the tournament (cj: "i think you are as good as ken", legendary) amsah vs ek ros3 (with the best comeback of all time), helios vs amsah rox4, amsah vs armada rox4, amsah vs cj jst5, armada vs masashi esa2, amsah vs cj esa2, etc etc etc

lolk, so you're telling me he thinks that armada can beat mango, but not that he's the best in the world? shouldn't that be implied when you're saying "beating BESTPLAYERINTHEWORLDGOESHERE"?

and sure, i've watched OLLLLLLLLLLLDSCHOOOOOL **** like that, but ****, thats OLD. were talking about armada, not amsah/ek/other euro's from back int he day. haven't you watched old school japanese famous videos where they ***** like america? yeah well guess what, they're scene is no longer comparable to top players in EU/NA.

I've been asking for a while if there's still a *** melee scene. When top *** pros played top US pros in 06 and 07 they were almost equal, a little worse like Europe is now. If they still play, there's no reason why they wouldn't have been able to keep up...

oh, sorry. well, japan still does have a scene, it's just...small. their scene slowely just got smaller and fell behind.

 

[Theftz22]

Woah just realized J@p is censored, why??....

 

[Luma]

beating him doenst mean better, yes
to beat someone you just have to win a set
to be better then someone takes more then that

srsly you have no idea, quit life

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

no i completely get that, i don't think kage is the best in the world for beating mango or anything? idk why your talking **** lol, hagger has basically been implying that armada is the best for awhile. idk why he'd keep claiming he can beat mango at apex, then if he won, he wouldn't say SEE HES THE BEST IN THE WORLD?

 

[Theftz22]

Anyway clearly all we can conclude is

Captain Jack>Mango>all

I cite the Cato Institute.

Don't question it.

 

[FoxLisk]

dude you guys don't get it. everything mikehaggar says is trolling and you are all really easy bait... just don't respond to him.

 

[EPsilon933]

i say you all just make a tier list because its too difficult to draw a straight line hence my previous foreshadowing of all the arguments.

1. you must perceive time differently from the rest of us or you spam back air tier
2. **** you good tier
3. you too Fancy tier
4. Get ****ed up tier
5. practice in your room at 1:30am more tier
6. read a book tier
7. give up and try Brawl tier

etc.

Everything you say contains really high amounts of awesome.

 

[TheDekuNut]

Everything you say contains really high amounts of awesome.

Much appreciated. i try to give all my posts as much potency as i can even if it means breaking out the asterisks

 

[Silent Wolf]

If this were facebook, I would like this.

ive always thought about posting this but never went thru with it lolz

also

1 MANGO
2 DR PP

 

[Rubyiris]

Hbox says sup.

 

[Merkuri]

So here is your reasoning for SS > Hax

-Genesis conveniently doesnt count cuz hax ***** SS
-SS > Hax by ONE spot at Pound4, but BOTH are outside of your magical "impact" zone, so it shouldnt count but its convient for you so you ignore your own logic here *rolls eyes*
-Hax 9th at apex doesnt count.

You're ********.

Lol you're a *******. Firstly it's my opinion that SS is better I'm not trying to convince anyone that I'm right.

Secondly Genesis does count, but the bracket distorts results so the tournament shouldn't hold as much weight. If you think Scar is good enough to place 5th at 290 man tournament then you're ********.

Moreover you're also ignorant because the last tournament Hax and SS entered was not pound 4, it was GSG; where SS placed 3 and I think yet again Hax placed 9th. What's worse is that Hax lost to replicate, who is a very good player but is someone SS bodies consistently(I mean like 3 stocks); at major tournament Hax seems to lose to what appears to be every competent Spacy main while SS fairs better.

Apex does count but I feel SS would do better(I doubt SS would have(especially if we replaced his bracket)

You're such an idiot you haven't even provided an argument as to why Hax is better. What's your problem?

 

[Rubyiris]

people fail to realize that when you have gigantic brackets, its extremely easy for them to be skewed.

Scar getting 9th is not unreasonable. It happened for a reason. Please study his bracket and realize WHY he placed so well in comparison to the other Falcons.

When you have a gigantic bracket, it's common for a portion of the bracket to be a cakewalk, whilst the other portion may be unreasonably difficult. It's impossible to perfectly seed a bracket. Especially with time constraints.

I don't see why people say huge tournaments are somehow harder than smaller tournaments with a stronger player pool. With a smaller pool of better players, the entirety of the bracket becomes equally as difficult in comparison to the larger player pool with a large amount of lesser, or mediocre players.

 

[HugS™]

Jpobs, while you have good points regarding the conclusions people make off of results, I wouldn't go so far as to say that all evidence points to Hax being better than SS.

 

[omgwtfToph]

i'd like to add (if only perhaps because i love scar's falcon) that he got not 9th, but 5th, at genesis

 

[Rubyiris]

My argument still holds true.

 

[Archangel]

I'm the best Falcon

/discussion

 

[Rubyiris]

You're the best at being the worst.

 

[TheGoat]

people fail to realize that when you have gigantic brackets, its extremely easy for them to be skewed.

Scar getting 9th is not unreasonable. It happened for a reason. Please study his bracket and realize WHY he placed so well in comparison to the other Falcons.

What happened?

 

[Archangel]

You're the best at being the worst.

Whatever.

Lets talk about the Best Falco's now. top 1-10?

 

[Rubyiris]

Rubyiris tier:

Rubyiris

0. Mango
1. PP
2. Shiz
3. Zhu
4. Axe
5~10: every other really good falco, including but not limited to:

Forward
Calle~W
Lambchops
BO10
Dieslow