The "best" players

[Archangel]

Yes because it's bigotry when we're deciding a player from another country on a list of players that's mostly US.

How can you decide that Amsah is as good as M2K when there's only been one tournament that they've been at at the same time to have a chance to even PLAY the same people? You're not making ANY sense LOL.

The list of top 5 in the "World" does not belong to the US. They've only been to 1 tournament at the same time that is true. SilentSpectre and DarkRain were only at the same tournament once also....but they both still compete in the US so it's alright....make sense of that for me.

spam arrows, how do you live with yourself being so bad/stupid? <3

how do you manage to speak with his **** in your throat?

<3 AZ

 

[Rubyiris]

I'm gay. I manage.

 

[FoxLisk]

Actually you'd be surprised how many people would take Lucky's CF game over Jman's and Jman's Falco game over Lucky's, it just depends.

And so you're one person who thinks Jman isn't better than Lucky. My statement/example was meant to be on a general level of what people consider. You can say you disagree and that you think Lucky = Jman all you want on here but how do I even know you didn't just change your mind at the last minute in a way to prove me wrong?

Once again I don't see how Amsah beating some of our best 9 months ago means that he'd be able to do the same thing today. Not to mention he didn't play some of our really good players who have gotten beast and may be 5th best aka DR. PEEPEE. Who knows if Amsah knows enough about ICs to beat Wobbles? Or that Jman couldn't take him down next time he came?

Too much WHAT IF'S and DID's in this thread and not enough HAS CONSISTENTLY DONE.

your reply here doesnt make sense. i'm saying that amsah getting 2-0d by lucky has no obvious connection to his ability to beat jman, and further saying that your argument was useless anyway but even assuming your premises it doesn't follow for a lot of people.

the statement about amsah 9 months ago and today is valid but unrelated to what you originally posted. also you seem to be interpreting my post as saying "LOL AMSAH SO GOOD AHHHHHHH" when all it really said was that your argument sucks.

 

[Archangel]

Wobbles is pretty good. I respect his IC's I just think IC's minus Wobbling are mediocre. Every tournament I've seen lately without Wobbling has kinda showed that in the results....just sayin.

 

[Rubyiris]

Ics without wobbling is still better than mid tiers.

 

[Merkuri]

Wobbles is pretty good. I respect his IC's I just think IC's minus Wobbling are mediocre. Every tournament I've seen lately without Wobbling has kinda showed that in the results....just sayin.

He keeps winning tournaments in his regions without Wobbling; consistently beating pros like Darkrain, ARC, Chad, IHSB, Chad, etc. He also beat Zhu at P.O.E without wobbling which is pretty danm impressive. He doesn't get as much recognition as Jman or DRPP because he doesn't travel as much. He also beat Jman in a mm without wobbling. You are making a bad argument as to why Wobbles can't be 5-7.

Edit: Wobbles got 9th at tipped of 6? Danm. I'd like to believe he was off his game, but no johns I guess.

 

[GOD!]

I 6-0'd jman at NoJohns a month before apex

After watching those matches I'm pretty impressed.

I would say more but friendlies don't matter

Hbox you're really good. I want to MM you.

 

[t3h Icy]

You guys do realize that Amsah has secondaries and (I'd imagine) wouldn't use Sheik vs Wobbles? Amsah has a really nice Fox which took Hungrybox to his last stock, which is much better than many Fox players, even Mango who in the set after got two-stocked before switching to Puff.

I think Amsah could beat Wobbles with Fox, but I'm not sure about Sheik.

Also as many people have said, Wobbles doesn't get nearly as much recognition as he deserves. He's not at the big five caliber, but he's certainly a top twenty player in the world, and definitely the best Ice Climbers currently.

I also believe Jman is the top 'known' Fox currently, as he's much more consistent than Lucky and always places better. To be honest, I think Mew2King's Fox is a step above Lucky as well.

 

[Archangel]

Ics without wobbling is still better than mid tiers.

He keeps winning tournaments in his regions without Wobbling; consistently beating pros like Darkrain, ARC, Chad, IHSB, Chad, etc. He also beat Zhu at P.O.E without wobbling which is pretty danm impressive. He doesn't get as much recognition as Jman or DRPP because he doesn't travel as much. He also beat Jman in a mm without wobbling. You are making a bad argument as to why Wobbles can't be 5-7.

Edit: Wobbles got 9th at tipped of 6? Danm. I'd like to believe he was off his game, but no johns I guess.

Pretty much showing my point on wobbling. If he can do that without it then it's not needed. It just makes for unneeded pain and a sudden urge to exit the vid or boo if in person. Wobbling is just like Watching Sheik vs Pika...but all the time.

 

[EPsilon933]

Wobbling is the most ballering thing ever.

 

[DoH]

Wobbles and I both played like *** this weekend, it happens.

But we're going to practice more in the future to try and ensure that it doesn't happen again

 

[Iron Dragon]

your reply here doesnt make sense. i'm saying that amsah getting 2-0d by lucky has no obvious connection to his ability to beat jman, and further saying that your argument was useless anyway but even assuming your premises it doesn't follow for a lot of people.

the statement about amsah 9 months ago and today is valid but unrelated to what you originally posted. also you seem to be interpreting my post as saying "LOL AMSAH SO GOOD AHHHHHHH" when all it really said was that your argument sucks.

Oh, I come back to this. Cool.

If you're going to just say "lol your argument sucks" and basically troll then why even say anything? Just another nuisance really. If you have nothing to contribute about how or why things went the way they did or why you think they'd go differently then once again, why say anything? lol

As far as Wobbles goes, the guy is a beast without wobbling. I live in Arizona. I've seen what he can do. Pure beast.

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

How can you decide that Amsah is as good as M2K when there's only been one tournament that they've been at at the same time to have a chance to even PLAY the same people? You're not making ANY sense LOL.

You could also say "How could you claim that M2K is as good as Amsah when there's only been one tournament that they've been at at the same time to have a chance to even PLAY the same people?"
youre going off the assumption that m2k is better by default which makes no sense lol. typical ignorant flopmerican.

Yes because it's bigotry when we're deciding a player from another country on a list of players that's mostly US..

It is. Please explain how it isn't lol.
and the list "being mostly US" is another ignorant assumption. (not denying that it might be, but still an assumption)

 

[TheGoat]

this thread has gone down the gutter. lol.

 

[PB&J]

threads like these always end up like this but they are good for the community

there are always going to be disagreements in the smash community ,but its good to have them

hbox is second best for a while now..people need to accept that..he will soon be the best if mango doesnt show up at tournies

 

[P.C. Jona]

i saw some "silent spectre"

and "darkrain"

imo

hax is better

 

[Merkuri]

i saw some "silent spectre"

and "darkrain"

imo

hax is better

Darkrain doesn't play too much anymore and Hax isn't making a big impact at Nationals anymore. I think Silent Specter is the best Falcon right now.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

amsah i feel is better then armada when it comes to our version of smash (aka not the pal version) with the buffs sheik has in our version he can beat armada

 

[GOD!]

he will soon be the best if mango doesnt show up at tournies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeR68yUhVNY#t=12m32s
The only problem is he's still going to tourneys.

And doing this.

 

[Nihonjin]

He got 2-0ed by LuCKy.

No I didn't..

 

[Archangel]

He lost to lucky 2-1 I think.

 

[strawhats]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeR68yUhVNY#t=12m32s
The only problem is he's still going to tourneys.

And doing this.

there aren't enough words in the english language to describe how ****ing amazing that **** was. I have seen combos like that since m2k's marth in its prime. ****

Mango is too ****ing good nuff said.

 

[Merkuri]

He lost to lucky 2-1 I think.

I think the big difference between Amsah's match with Lucky and his match with Jman, is that against Jman he didn't make the ridiculous mistake of not banning Pokemon Stadium. Fox simply ***** sheik there. In a rematch between the two and PS banned, I'm confident Amsah would win.

 

[FaTuik]

-1 Kage
-2 Mango
-3HungryBox
-4Armada
-5 M2K
Amsah nowhere here
-6 DaShizWiz
-7 PP
-8 Zhu
-9 Jman
-10 VWINS
-11 Axe can you remember me at apex 10 ?
-12 Raynex and Unkown
-13 CHU DAT /I MM 5$ him at apex 10 he 4stocked in both match he used wobbles every kill!!
-14 Lucky
-15 Hax
-16 SS

 

[Rubyiris]

wobbles > chu. old news.

Mike Haggar is a joke, as always.

 

[JPOBS]

Darkrain doesn't play too much anymore and Hax isn't making a big impact at Nationals anymore. I think Silent Specter is the best Falcon right now.

where are you getting this BS from?

hax just got 9th at Apex, which was the last National.

SS wasnt even in attendence.

 

[gm jack]

And Armada got beat by SS. Doesn't make SS better. Amsah's amazing. When he had placed 1st or second at pretty much every european tournament for ages and does really well in an American one as well, you can't assume that he isn't "that good".

 

[X1-12]

Amsah once told me "I got to number 1 in my country, then I met Captain Jack and he taught me spacing"


and you think this kid isn't good?

 

[strawhats]

Amsah once told me "I got to number 1 in my country, then I met Captain Jack and he taught me spacing"


and you think this kid isn't good?

Amsah is a genius imo. Armada's just a beast is all. Id like to see Amsah win a tourney in America with mango/hbox/armada/m2k present.

 

[Archangel]

Amsah is a genius imo. Armada's just a beast is all. Id like to see Amsah win a tourney in America with mango/hbox/armada/m2k present.

If he goes pure sheik that won't happen. US Puffs RAAAAAAPE sheiks. I heard he's got a good Falco or fox up his sleeve. That could help.

I think Amsah could beat Armada(NTSC), M2K, and Scorp(Not Mango). It's very possible.

I'm not sure about Hbox/Mango though. I can't see it. Still getting 3rd, Second If Scorp enters in Mango's place.

@Strawhats. I dare you to make a post without M2K, Jason, Mew2King or any variation of him in it.

 

[strawhats]

fine....mango ***** m2k...see what i did there

 

[youngblake123]

anyone wanna play some ssbb? i just got internet access so im trying to play some matches that arent lame *** public matches. request me and play me and if i suck too bad for you then just delete me i just wanna play some ssbb.

 

[Archangel]

anyone wanna play some ssbb? i just got internet access so im trying to play some matches that arent lame *** public matches. request me and play me and if i suck too bad for you then just delete me i just wanna play some ssbb.

lolololololololololololol.........

 

[Rain(ame)]

Wow....all I ask is that you don't feed the troll.

 

[Kason Birdman]

Yeah, once you feed it..

..It doesn't stop.


It never stops..

 

[GOD!]

blake lol you're such a n00b

first you post in the wrong forum, get a clue. also brawl sucks. Everyone knows that it sucks.

kill yourself right now

Melee take skill brawl doesn't. I ******** monkey could win mlg if he just had his finger taped to the b button and picked mk.

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

wobbles > chu. old news.

Mike Haggar is a joke, as always.

weren't you one of the stupid ******s insisting armada isnt the best peach?
(before genesis)

 

[Archangel]

I'd say anyone who doesn't consider Armada the best Peach should get checked out asap.

 

[Paju]

People placing him higher than M2K or right there tied. Maybe he is. Maybe he isn't. Do we really know though? Are you going to base Amsah's information and skill as a player off of ONE single tournament? Hopefully not.

I'm so sick of selfish Americans who think US is the only country in the world. Amsah travelled to US and ***** there as much as in Europe. Top US people have never attended to an European tournament. Maybe it's time for US players to travel into Europe or other continents?

I would definetly say that world top 5 is:
1. Mango
2. Hungrybox
3. Armada
4. Mew2King/Amsah
5. Mew2King/Amsah
(based on the information we have now.)

Actually I'm not even sure is that list correct because we haven't seen how well would Japan, Cambodia or Chile or countries like that do against top US/Canadian/European smashers. Hopefully we can see that sometime in the future.

 

[Deleted member]

M2Ks placing depends a lot on how much Brawl he's been playing at the time (I think). He could hover from 2-5, maybe even 1 depending on that.